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Prisoner#1
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
#23902714 - 12/07/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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your parents thought you were retarded or something
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Montessori education is an educational approach developed by Italian physician and educator Maria Montessori based on her extensive research with "phrenasthenic" or "special needs" children and characterized by an emphasis on independence, freedom within limits, and respect for a child’s natural psychological, physical, and social development
My momma always did tell me not to stick my hand into the blender while it's on 
That was when I was 15 
your mother was clearly a very intelligent warning to give you that sort of advice at that age
youtube is filled with videos of people doing just that
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23902726 - 12/07/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mush 4 Brains said: Really does montessori have much of an impact on a preschooler?
I have no idea, honestly. I don't even know what the basic concept of Montessori is really.
your parents thought you were retarded or something
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Montessori education is an educational approach developed by Italian physician and educator Maria Montessori based on her extensive research with "phrenasthenic" or "special needs" children and characterized by an emphasis on independence, freedom within limits, and respect for a child’s natural psychological, physical, and social development
It might have started for that purpose but its meant to be for a lack of a better term "regular" kids too. I could see it being beneficial for autistic children though.
I had a tutor/former teacher in grade school who told me she did some work in montessori.
The whole idea is that children will learn more effectively, discover their skills and interests more quickly by lack of restrictions. In montessori you dont tell or force a child to do anything, you ask questions and encourage them to do whatever. The classroom is open
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Prisoner#1
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#23902733 - 12/07/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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you need to stop talking or crystal g will end up sticking her hand in a blender
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Crystal G



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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#23902742 - 12/07/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mush 4 Brains said: The whole idea is that children will learn more effectively, discover their skills and interests more quickly by lack of restrictions. In montessori you dont tell or force a child to do anything, you ask questions and encourage them to do whatever. The classroom is open
Hah. I have no idea why my mom sent me there then, she's a very authoritarian and strict rules kind of person.
She probably had no idea what Montessori even was, she just sent me there because some other parents recommended it.
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Patlal
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Repertoire89]
#23902744 - 12/07/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: LOL at video title "Free Range Children"
Clearly a Liberal idea. But let's ruin a few kids' live and see what happens. You never know, if it works you guys might score point (or loses a ton).
Either way, I want to see this.
People who live on handouts / inheritance shouldnt comment on politics, you live in a bubble.
I live off none of those...
See the rich kid thread.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23902783 - 12/07/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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As I rewatched the video I noticed that a main concern of these parents is legal issues. I may not agree with what they are doing, but why does our government get to decide how we raise our kids? Indoctrination IMO these kids will grow up to be spoiled needy adults, but that is not my problem, until the government has to support them. I can agree with some of the talking points, about who needs algebra and how valid is knowing certain people of interest in the past. However, my kids went to school and I was able to instill the important life lessons in the time they were at home. It is sad that our schools do not provide life skills IMO, just creating institutionalalized creatures ready to be corporate robots or prisoners. But there must be a happy medium. Fuck
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
#23902790 - 12/07/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Horrible idea. Very alienating and ostracizing for the children. Most families that decide to do this sort of bullshit are woman-dominated families and the mom always is trying to push her children to be ultra-feminists. Even if the children are boys.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23902813 - 12/07/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: special needs kids shouldnt comment on child rearing/development
Thats cute, I needed no attention or guidance and educated myself well enough to get into college without a hitch, the work there was basic shit I had learnt a decade prior, and youre talking about special needs.
Im not impressed with you, o king of cognitive dissonance who be always right.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Patlal]
#23902826 - 12/07/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlala said: I live off none of those...
See the rich kid thread.
Maybe Im mixing up your situation with someone else, just jerking your chain anyways
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Webster10] 2
#23902845 - 12/07/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Webster10 said: Horrible idea. Very alienating and ostracizing for the children. Most families that decide to do this sort of bullshit are woman-dominated families and the mom always is trying to push her children to be ultra-feminists. Even if the children are boys.
And you accuse me of having a skewed perception of men
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Webster10
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
#23902862 - 12/07/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Webster10 said: Horrible idea. Very alienating and ostracizing for the children. Most families that decide to do this sort of bullshit are woman-dominated families and the mom always is trying to push her children to be ultra-feminists. Even if the children are boys.
And you accuse me of having a skewed perception of men 
When I was in high school I took a class at the community college about this alternative childhood bullshit. Go through and read each case about this stupid hippy crap. It's the same situation in almost every case. Cuck-father let's cunt-wife dominate marriage and raise children contrary to how the rest of normal society does because cunt-wife feels that she was never accepted in normal society.
Look up the case where the baby was named, "storm." The cunt-wife literally took the entire family, cuck-father included into the god damn woods to live. The cunt-wife sent out a mass email saying she wouldn't reveal "storms" gender to anyone, leaving "it" free to decide what it wanted to be. How much do you want to fucking bet that "storm" is biologically a male?
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 3
#23903099 - 12/07/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.
I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23903177 - 12/07/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Iv'e learned far more by my own interest in things than school ever could have taught me. I finished school at 16 and never had any further education. I found school was drip feeding me information and it bored the shit out of me. Maybe some people need the brainwash and indoctrination of the modern system, but there are some people who learn better and more thoroughly by simply taking interest in things and absorbing whatever they can.
I would have thought on a magic mushroom forum peoples opinions on this subject would be somewhat more enlightened and free thinking, but I get the impression people will defend the system and it's ways to the death. If kids are taught the basics by parents (reading and writing mainly), they can then read books or ebooks and information on the internet on whatever they are interested in. This is real learning, and is exactly what the controllers of our civilisation don't want because they can't indoctrinate and sculpt young minds into how they want them to be. They don't want free thinking people, they want people who will repeat what they are told to learn and will do as they are told.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: wicca mixer]
#23903206 - 12/07/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think apprenticeship / tutoring is the best method for most subjects, but for some you need an institution for resources and peer reviews (medical field)
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 3
#23903230 - 12/07/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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retarded, utterly retarded. Sure for some families it would work well enough, but not the majority, and probably not the families doing it. You wonder how america gets a reputation for having so many stupid people, its stuff like this (and of course the failure of the education system to begin with)
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Ezuma] 2
#23903279 - 12/07/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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What I don't like is how American tends to insist they're the best at most anything when the statistics show otherwise. When you see someone does something better than you, you copy them as much as you can, that might be a bit cheap but its far smarter than letting pride blind you and continuing to insist your way is best.
I think this is why so many people in the US and the western world can't admit they're wrong. We are children and government is our parent. They not only tell us how to behave, they also show us.
But I do think education should be institutional and publicly open and education should be required to all children. Like standardized tests are good in elementary school. But the time restraints and inflexibility of such tests compiled with this "no child left behind" shit means our children are being left far behind. I've discussed it many times here and I don't intend to be a broken record but institutional learning is important because it is SUPPOSED TO teach responsibility to others, accountability, and how to work with others and to share and to handle yourself wisely in a variety of situations.
And it's the best way to help make sure kids with bad parents or busy parents or absent minded parents get at least some sort of education. And it's a way the community has a chance to be aware and do something about child abuse if and when it occurs. Electives and internal class structure need a massive overhaul tho and that's not even the start of our system's problems.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#23903284 - 12/07/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it would be nice to see a smaller emphasis on History and English, as I felt like it was pretty redundant by the time I was in my Junior and Senior years of high school. Not that I didn't enjoy them as classes, but if concepts in History class are too big to convey when you're in middle school, perhaps it should be saved for just high school and vice versa if it's just a redundant reiteration of American History class or something.
When I was in 7th grade, I took Wood Shop and Tech class. That was the last year they did those two classes in my state, they were cut from the curriculum. You also had to choose between Gym class and Music, you could not do both. I chose music myself, but later in life I felt like gym really should be a mandatory part of any curriculum.
I wouldn't be opposed to longer school years either, with several 2 week breaks as opposed to a summer break. Summer breaks are garbage and more of a money saver than anything of educational value. You could fit three semesters of school in one year by changing the schedule up, and put a bigger emphasis on engineering, automotive classes, computer science introduction, weapons safety, budgeting and finance, and even basic 'philosophy' courses aimed at covering the basics of how to actually learn.
When I say a smaller emphasis on History and English, I don't mean as far as content goes. I mean as far as doing the classes year after year, semester after semester. If students aren't grasping the English language or History after taking a course on it every semester since kindergarten, there is a disconnect somewhere. Perhaps the way classes are broken down aren't in depth enough to make concepts stick.
Kindergarten should be a year earlier, summer vacations should go away and we should focus harder on trades, science, engineering - and when we teach liberal arts we should be speeding up the curriculum by a lot. It only takes as long as it does to push certain curriculum because students and teachers both are complacent.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: PatrickKn]
#23903330 - 12/07/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is waaaaay to much to learn in history in 4 years. If anything I've realized primary school left considerable amounts of (important) historical events out. I think maybe taking the time to teach it thoroughly instead of reteaching the same parts of history year after year might be a good idea tho.
The fact that there has to be so much reiteration is kind of proof that the education system is highly ineffective.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23903354 - 12/07/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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In 4 years, sure. But I'm referring more to entire course of schooling from 1st grade to the end of high school. There are concepts they don't push on middle schoolers because they might not get them. They go slow on math even though middle schoolers are more than capable of learning those things if they are taught early enough.
We should be teaching foreign languages out of kindergarten, not waiting until middle school. I feel like History classes were sugar coated in Elementary and Middle School.
I guess I'm not all for removing history and English classes in later schooling so much as not making them so slow to start in the earlier schooling.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: PatrickKn]
#23903371 - 12/07/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I might be an outlier, but I learned much more K-8th grade than I did in High School. By the time I was in highschool, it was all repeat except for maybe Science and optional advanced math classes. I had learned 90% of my core math concepts before my Freshman year. English, the papers were just longer to write but all the same this.
Tell you what is even more worthless is the first 4 years of college. It's even more repeat. But yeah, no wonder people are unschooling their kids. I don't agree with it, but I doubt I would send my kids to a public school. The education system is pretty terrible right now in the US.
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