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Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!!
    #23901708 - 12/06/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Top mushroom I used my book and it was honey mushrooms.  White spores, little hairs on the top center of the cap, some yellow on the veil rings when they were young, very abundant growth in the forest, on the ground and on stumps, along with the black strands they produce.

But the bottom mushroom I did not fully identify.  It was not a honey mushroom.  It had a rusty brown spore print.  It grew on a stump next to some honey mushrooms.  We stopped and looked, and my dad asked if that was the same kind, and I said no it is not the same kind.

After we had picked some honeysI learned about the Galerina.  And after seeing this pic, I'm not sure I will eat honey mushrooms anymore.  Maybe if they are on the ground I will.  But on a stump, you could be picking 30 mushrooms and a stray Galerina find its way into your basket, unless you're willing to spore print every single cap to test for white spores.

What do you guys think?  Are those bottom ones Galerina?  That upside down mushroom on the stump is also one of the possible Galerina mushrooms. Is there some iron-clad foolproof easy way to distinguish.  Clearly, they look different even when they look similar, and if you look at the gills, they're brown and the others white, and same with the spores.

I just think with the way honies grow in such abundance, if you were picking many pounds off a stump this would be an easy mistake.

This was late fall in Michigan.



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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Razare]
    #23901820 - 12/06/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Razare]
    #23902018 - 12/07/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You're really going to have to show better pics of the mushrooms you think are Galerina, but it's good when making collections for the table, to know what poisonous mushrooms are abundant in your area.  Personally, I don't think Gals look anything like honeys, but that's just my opinion.


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Razare] * 1
    #23902144 - 12/07/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not convinced about the identification. Looks like your honey mushrooms might be Kuehneromyces mutabilis.
The other ones might well be Galerina, but as Fennario points out there is no way to be sure without more and better
pictures, i.e. gill/stem shots of both species.

In any case it is not unusual for different species to share habitat like this. My thought is however that since Armillaria sp.
are very aggressive colonisers, it is less likely for them to "give space" to other species like that.


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23902455 - 12/07/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The claimed honeys look like honeys to me. I can see some cap fibrils and thick stems.

But yea, more photos.


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Razare]
    #23903600 - 12/07/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

They look like Kuehneromyces mixed in with Flammulina


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Ran-D]
    #23903753 - 12/07/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My video on Honies, these were the same as in that photo:



They are mature honies, not young ones.  So when they were very fresh, they were smaller and lighter in color, but turned brown as they got older.

I went through the book on it.  They had these black fibers everywhere, and white spore print.

Mushroom expert says Kuehneromyces mutabilis has a brown spore print.  http://www.mushroomexpert.com/pholiota_mutabilis.html ;

In the video you can see white spores.  I got a better pic of the other I can post later.


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    #23905237 - 12/07/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Razare]
    #23906049 - 12/08/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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My video on Honies, these were the same as in that photo:


They are mature honies, not young ones.  So when they were very fresh, they were smaller and lighter in color, but turned brown as they got older.




So they're all Armillaria in that first picture then, no Galerina?


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23906161 - 12/08/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No, there are Galerina in the first photo.

Maybe it's because I have a giant monitor but I can see both species clearly.


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23908505 - 12/08/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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My video on Honies, these were the same as in that photo:


They are mature honies, not young ones.  So when they were very fresh, they were smaller and lighter in color, but turned brown as they got older.




So they're all Armillaria in that first picture then, no Galerina?





No.  Sorry, in that first picture, there is a small clump (at the bottom of that first picture,) where I am questioning "Galerina?"

I just posted the Honey video because people were saying those aren't honey mushrooms.  Better pictures below.

I just want a solid ID on Mushroom B, but if you think A is wrong, please only provide alternative identifications with white spores because that is what it had.  I agree they don't look much like the delectible honies I see pictures of where they are perfect.  No, these honies were rustic ones!

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Mushroom A -

My identification by Mushroom's Demystified and online research was: Armillaria mellea

- White Spores
- Grows in massive quantities
- Black fibers over wood pieces everywhere
- Grows on ground and on dead wood
- Fibrils on tip top of cap, that center darker area on mushroom A was small fibers you could see with magnification, but only in the center, not all over the mushroom
- Younger specimens were whiter, and gills were white in appearance, older specimens aged to brownish


Mushroom B - ???

- Brown spores
- Gills
- Thinner stem
- Moister looking cap
- No fibrils on cap


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Ran-D]
    #23908526 - 12/08/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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No, there are Galerina in the first photo.

Maybe it's because I have a giant monitor but I can see both species clearly.





Thank you.  Flammulina velutipes looked like a candidate for Mushroom B which someone mentioned, except Velutipes is white spores which does not match that species.

Mushroom B is certainly brown spores, I ran my finger along the gills in the field and had brown on my fingers.

Based on species mentioned so far, only two have brown spores:

- Kuehneromyces mutabilis
- Galerina


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Razare]
    #23908633 - 12/08/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I can see the brown spores. I would call them Galerina.


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Ran-D]
    #23909031 - 12/09/16 01:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I still think they look like Flammulina, I've never seen such a dense grouping of Galerina or ones that have concave caps and such light colored gills.


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23909114 - 12/09/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes I can see the brown spores. I would call them Galerina.




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I still think they look like Flammulina, I've never seen such a dense grouping of Galerina or ones that have concave caps and such light colored gills.




Another suggestion could be Kuehneromyces lignicola. They can resemble G. marginata, but have a much lighter gill color.

But again, without good enough pictures... :shrug:

OP, please hold your hands still when photographing mushrooms! :oldman:


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    #23909594 - 12/09/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I still think they look like Flammulina, I've never seen such a dense grouping of Galerina or ones that have concave caps and such light colored gills.




The spores are brown.


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Another suggestion could be Kuehneromyces lignicola. They can resemble G. marginata, but have a much lighter gill color.





Could be, I'd bet on Galerina just because of the time of year though.


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: Razare]
    #23910140 - 12/09/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I still think they look like Flammulina, I've never seen such a dense grouping of Galerina or ones that have concave caps and such light colored gills.




The spores are brown.





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Mushroom B is certainly brown spores, I ran my finger along the gills in the field and had brown on my fingers.





That's hardly a good indication of a spore color, it could have been dirt.



Show me a picture of a densely packed Galerina patch with concave pileus and I will admit I was wrong. If OP could provide some clearer and more up-close pictures of B and a proper spore print that would be helpful. Kuehneromyces is generally a spring mushroom, right?


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23911208 - 12/09/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry for the bad pics guys.  I took those 2 pics only and thought I would get back to posting it when I had time, but I believed the pictures were clearer than they were!!!

The great thing about this thread is I have learned about several brown mushrooms that grow on stumps, so I am very informed now about what look-alikes are out there.

Next year, I can go back to that stump in the fall and see if any remnants of that Mushroom B have regrown.


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Re: Galerina?? Next to Honey Mushrooms!!! [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23911479 - 12/09/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I said the spores are brown because I can see brown spores in the pictures. You're thinking way too much about this maynard.


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    #23911516 - 12/09/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Show me a picture of a densely packed Galerina patch with concave pileus




Those are both common characteristics of Galerina marginata :confused:


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