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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23901924 - 12/06/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

For anyone who's interested, time definitely is a dimension, at least in terms of how 'dimension' is used in physics.
It isn't just a human construct, and exists just as much as any spatial dimension.
Entropy always increases with time, making it an arrow of sorts which points in the direction that time flows.
People have also directly measured time dilation several times using atomic clocks. It's pretty amazing stuff.


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Matai]
    #23901938 - 12/06/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Matai said:
For anyone who's interested, time definitely is a dimension, at least in terms of how 'dimension' is used in physics.
It isn't just a human construct, and exists just as much as any spatial dimension.
Entropy always increases with time, making it an arrow of sorts which points in the direction that time flows.
People have also directly measured time dilation several times using atomic clocks. It's pretty amazing stuff.




On it goes..


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #23902026 - 12/07/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

M theory. Hyper dimensional membranes in 11th dimension space(the bulk) colliding(bang) then separating(expansion). That's one theory, another is the vacuum of space curving into near infinite density then exploding causing the bang. Just saying there are lots of things that could've taken place before the Big Bang, could've been Jesus sitting on a freaking throne for all I know( but I doubt that one).


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Cajun love]
    #23902170 - 12/07/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)



This!


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: DerPda]
    #23902573 - 12/07/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you can believe the universe came from nothing for no reason in a single instant then you can believe anything. If science gets 1 free miracle then any theory should get 1 free miracle


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23902591 - 12/07/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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the big bang theory is god damned bullshit




I totally agree.

The Big bang theory and Black holes - total bullshit dreamed up by acedemics and the science-media just to have something to talk about. You can't flip through the channels without coming across some grinning, pinhead non-scientist explaining this crap. And the explanation always goes to "what the fuck is he talking about" territory. They have to admit that they have no idea and stop with this speculative BS. Don't fall for their arrogance, regard it as academic double speak and nothing more. It's all about getting grants, teaching lessons, making TV documentaries about shit that is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS. There's plenty of real information in this world, don't waist time with this. Admit that the unknown is that way because it's unknowable.


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Universe]
    #23902808 - 12/07/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Scientists cannot prove the Big Bang Theory, like no theory can be proven, just debunked. That is how science works.
Furthermore, the big bang is one possible consequence of the theory of the expansion of the universe. This does not mean, that the idea of the big bang is correct. But many measurements support this idea and right now it is considered as the "least wrong" theory of how it all began. Apart from that, people think about the big bang as some kind of explosion, but what is actually meant, is the beginning of space and time itself. Without the existance of those two, how would one be able to describe, what actually happened? The big bang is the frontier of what humans are able to realize about the beginning of this world. It is a verbal construct. You could name the beginning as you wish, you still would just be able to theorize and to measure as close to the beginning as possible, but you will never know exactly.

Of course one can easily doubt scientists. But I would recommend to study physics first and then come up with a better idea, before hitting that all bullshit button.


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Universe]
    #23903283 - 12/07/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Universe said:
I totally agree.

The Big bang theory and Black holes - total bullshit dreamed up by acedemics and the science-media just to have something to talk about. You can't flip through the channels without coming across some grinning, pinhead non-scientist explaining this crap. And the explanation always goes to "what the fuck is he talking about" territory. They have to admit that they have no idea and stop with this speculative BS. Don't fall for their arrogance, regard it as academic double speak and nothing more. It's all about getting grants, teaching lessons, making TV documentaries about shit that is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS. There's plenty of real information in this world, don't waist time with this. Admit that the unknown is that way because it's unknowable.




There's plenty of evidence to suggest that black holes exist, read through this if you like. I don't see how you can accuse scientists of arrogance but also maintain that modern cosmology is nothing more than a talking point. That's vastly more arrogant, in my opinion.


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23903744 - 12/07/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ancestoralbeings said:
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It's an infinitely dense black hole, condensed energy anti matter.



okay, tell me where that came from


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I don't think you understand. The theory would indicate a method of creation for THIS universe. Nothing can be proven to say that time is not.. timeless.. and if there is multiple creations and destructions of universes then how would you have any evidence of something potentially endless in time from the point in which you wish to study it? I think you're caught on something that's half way to  what might evolve this thought process for you. The socratic method means to not stop asking questions.. you stopped asking questions.




Time is a dimension. A universe consists of everything in existence, there is just other dimensions we cannot see or sense, also other "planes" of existence.

EDIT- okay not saying this definitely but that is at least what i believe. But there actually is other dimensions.



I don't think you understand what energy, anti-matter is. Don't get me wrong I can't explain it well either. But I don't think you get the concept.


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: DerPda]
    #23903873 - 12/07/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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DerPda said:


Of course one can easily doubt scientists. But I would recommend to study physics first and then come up with a better idea, before hitting that all bullshit button.




Physics has nothing to do with things existing before time did.


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23903996 - 12/07/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23904500 - 12/07/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The Big Bang does not say "everything started from nothing". It doesnt currently explain before the start of the Big Bang, it only explains the Big Bang at the moment that the Universe started.

Some other theories suggest that the Universe is a cycle of Big Bangs over and over, during an immense amount of time into the past. Thats my belief, that the Universe is cyclical not "this is the first time from nothing".


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23904899 - 12/07/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I understand OP's idea and it's pretty interesting, you must have been very high. :laugh:


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23904906 - 12/07/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Edit; Nevermind, I'm not going to even engage in this thread.


Edited by nooneman (12/07/16 07:53 PM)


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23905620 - 12/08/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

God.


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #23905643 - 12/08/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I thought he was saying, how could have time progressed from an infinitely condensed point to where it is now, as a dimension, as a fact of the universe. Bit of logic.

idk probably exposed that sometimes I don't even think before I post.

Also I imagine the theoretical physicists have thought about it.


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23905885 - 12/08/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you think about it too much your head explodes...


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #23906101 - 12/08/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If you think about it too much your head explodes...




And that's how the big bang happened


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #23908660 - 12/08/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Guys, time is a dimension and it by very definition did not exist before the big bang. Time and space came out of the big bang, that is why we can't explain what happened before it because there literally is no before it, nor is there a where for anything to take place. At the beginning of the universe there were no fundamental particles at all, it was just pure energy and as things cooled the dimensions unfolded and the energy collapsed into particles.

We can't really say for sure what happened at the literal beginning of time because our understanding breaks down. Think about it, it literally doesn't make sense, when would time begin? If there is no time for it to begin then it never will, and if it does exist then relatively speaking it always has. It doesn't mean there is nothing more than our universe, but it is hard to define terms to even speak of it. It is perfectly valid to have universes without a time or spacial dimension, you can have probably any number of either of them in fact, but again it's not a reality which you can really picture because we do so in terms of this one. I don't put a lot of faith in the big bang actually existing though, it may, but it seems kind of premature to me. It's as if we stumbled upon a needle in a hay stack and concluded we must be in a needle stack.

Also time is really no different than space, they are fundamentally linked, just as the three spacial dimensions are. You can't move in space without moving in time or vice versa. That's why you can't go the speed of light, all of your being would be in the time dimension and none in the spacial dimensions so where would you actually be traveling? You can't travel if there's nothing to travel through. Think of it as a spacial dimension that only goes in one direction and it makes a lot more sense. This has been proven by Einstein and many technologies we use today would not exist without our understanding of this.

edit: And just to clarify I'm not saying any of this is true, I can't know any more than you, but this is the commonly agreed upon view of the big bang theory.


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Re: 1 simple reason the big bang theory is god damned bullshit [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23908712 - 12/08/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds about right.


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