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BeLove111


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A Big WARNING on Kava Kava!
#23899944 - 12/06/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wanted to share with people an experience I had with the herb kava kava about a week ago. I have been curious in finding herbs that relax the body and mind without stupefying your consciousness so I decided to retry kava kava. I took the herb one night by blending up the powder with a bit of warm water (a pretty popular method). Everything was hunky-dory that night, I felt nice and relaxed, a bit of a drunken openess without feeling dumbed down. Well anyways the next morning I woke up fine and it was time to ride my bike to the recreation center to partake in some pick-up basketball that is held twice a week there. Now, I absolutely love the game. My conditioning is extraordinary- that is my edge in basketball- I can hustle all around the court and never get tired. Well something was off. On my bike ride I felt very out of breath and my heart rhythm was not correct. This bike ride was mostly downhill as well, btw. I brushed it off and chalked it up to it being a bit colder. Well, during the games my normal hustling self was just not there. I had severe cramps and it was very difficult for me to catch my breath- not normal for me at all. I began to wonder what was the reason. Well, the kava brew I made was the only new thing I included in my routine so after basketball I did some research online and there are many people who complain of difficulty breathing afterwards. I was fine until I started to pick up my cardio, but taking this herb for its relaxing properties is just not worth it. I felt odd for a few days after the kava. I prefer to keep my athleticism. I just wanted to share that kava kava is not as harmless as people make it out to be. That is only one aspect of its intoxicating properties. It is well known that it is toxic to the liver to the point of turning regular kava users skin a yellowish hue. Has anyone else felt these toxic effects before?
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Edited by BeLove111 (12/06/16 01:32 PM)
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Tmethyl
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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: BeLove111]
#23899980 - 12/06/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds terrible, anything that can be toxic to liver is a really bad idea.
I've never tried it and don't plan on it. I have nothing to add.
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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: BeLove111]
#23899991 - 12/06/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I threw my bag of kava away. Try valerian root, hops, chamomile. Be careful. Read before you try, and you still might die, is a good poem about herbs.
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Satya

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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: BeLove111]
#23900033 - 12/06/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've also experienced some lingering effects from Kava that made me think twice about it's use.
One morning after some Kava I took some LSD and had very strong residual effects, it was unmistakably the same Kava numbness & stoning but far stronger than the previous evening.
Kava as I experienced it is an anesthetic, I may use it again someday if I burn my tongue on something.
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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: Satya]
#23900135 - 12/06/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kava's perfectly fine bro.
Don't panic, it's organic.
God made dirt and dirt don't hurt.
And all that shit.
sarcasm It amazes me when i hear people actually say this and mean it, they should be sterilized. Hell i bet there's an organic combo that could sterilize them out there
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flickedbic
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I haven't seen any evidence that actual Kava Kava root damages the liver. It is only the above-ground parts of the plant that are harmful, while multiple scientific studies have verified the safety of the root:
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(...)the incident rate of liver toxicity due to kava is one in 60-125 million patients.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kava#Effects_on_the_liver
Also most people do extractions on Kava, rather than ingesting the material.
Thank you for sharing your experience tho.
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Tmethyl
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Quote:
LuSiD enthusiast said: Kava's perfectly fine bro.
Don't panic, it's organic.
God made dirt and dirt don't hurt.
And all that shit.
sarcasm It amazes me when i hear people actually say this and mean it, they should be sterilized. Hell i bet there's an organic combo that could sterilize them out there
I lol'ed
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Headrush


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Quote:
LuSiD enthusiast said: Kava's perfectly fine bro.
Don't panic, it's organic.
God made dirt and dirt don't hurt.
And all that shit.
sarcasm It amazes me when i hear people actually say this and mean it, they should be sterilized. Hell i bet there's an organic combo that could sterilize them out there
Poison ivy and lead are also organic and put here by God. Always good to hear other experiences... both good and bad.
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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: Headrush]
#23900453 - 12/06/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Headrush said:
Quote:
LuSiD enthusiast said: Kava's perfectly fine bro.
Don't panic, it's organic.
God made dirt and dirt don't hurt.
And all that shit.
sarcasm It amazes me when i hear people actually say this and mean it, they should be sterilized. Hell i bet there's an organic combo that could sterilize them out there
Poison ivy and lead are also organic and put here by God. Always good to hear other experiences... both good and bad.
Whenever people say this i instantly dare them to try datura.
I've made this dare hundreds of times and no one has ever done it.(not that i have, fuck that stuff)
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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: flickedbic]
#23900777 - 12/06/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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flickedbic said: I haven't seen any evidence that actual Kava Kava root damages the liver. It is only the above-ground parts of the plant that are harmful, while multiple scientific studies have verified the safety of the root:
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(...)the incident rate of liver toxicity due to kava is one in 60-125 million patients.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kava#Effects_on_the_liver
Also most people do extractions on Kava, rather than ingesting the material.
Thank you for sharing your experience tho.
 Improperly harvested and processed kava can be fatal. Not something to go cheap on. There are plenty of good suppliers out there though. Also, taking enough to get high is a bad idea. If you want to get all whacked out like that just stick to benzos, same mechanism of action without risk of liver failure. I use kava regularly and have never had problems.
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d0urd3n
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Sorry to hear that. I bet your kava was not good though. Get some noble kava online if you want to try it again. Even then I notice a sort of hangover the next day. Kava is a weird plant. Effects people very differently. I use it occasionally.
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Lucis
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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: BeLove111]
#23901165 - 12/06/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought I read some time ago that the kava-liver damage issue was kind of blown out of proportion, but I could be totally mistaken, so forgive my ignorance.
I have only taken kava years ago, never experienced any negative effects from it, everyone is different though.
I sometimes find that the more things I take to help myself with anything, actually have a worse impact on my health overall, meaning I am better off just eating healthy, and not taking anything but spirulina, b-vitamins, and fish oil, that's it.
Also, St. Johns Wart is a good herb which I believe has been proven to actually work, unlike many herbal remedies. Perhaps give it a try.
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BeLove111


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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: flickedbic]
#23901199 - 12/06/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
flickedbic said: I haven't seen any evidence that actual Kava Kava root damages the liver. It is only the above-ground parts of the plant that are harmful, while multiple scientific studies have verified the safety of the root:
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(...)the incident rate of liver toxicity due to kava is one in 60-125 million patients.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kava#Effects_on_the_liver
Also most people do extractions on Kava, rather than ingesting the material.
Thank you for sharing your experience tho.
Yes, I do believe taking an extract of the kavalactones that are present in the kava is certainly the way to go if you are to ingest it. Even so, I will steer clear of that herb.
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d0urd3n
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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: Lucis] 2
#23901215 - 12/06/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep think you're right about.
It was blown out of proportion. The issue was real though. The reason was because shitty vendors were cheaping out and adding the whole plant. The actual root of noble strains has never been shown to cause liver damage. People have taken it daily for years without elevated liver enzymes. Tudei kava is the opposite of a noble strain. They can cause hangover, potentially some liver damage not 100 percent sure on that part. Basically order "noble" ground root online from a reputable vendor and you'll be good.
Not sure if OP should I've never heard of something like that. Maybe a bad reaction to the alkaloids who knows. Maybe it was shitty kava from above ground. Maybe both.
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BeLove111


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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: BeLove111]
#23901221 - 12/06/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I remember reading awhile back how kava was only reserved for royalty in Hawaii, and that the royalty who took it would have yellowish blotches of skin and yellow eyes. Well, yellow skin and eyes? I've heard that before and this is the onset of jaundice- a disease of the liver. I am just sharing my experience and I wish it weren't so as I love the Islander culture. One has got to keep the liver in form!
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BeLove111


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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: BeLove111]
#23901280 - 12/06/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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By the way... I had purchased the kava root powder from a local food co-op and I am 90percent sure the brand they carry is from Frontier Herbs, I will double check tomorrow. Just letting people know if they do run across Frontier kava, don't take that shit. I am not for making any plants illegal but I think it would be good if I shared my experience with the store manager as I think it would it would be wise for there to be a warning label. I didn't take much kava at all and I didn't have any prior health problems especially with my cardiovascular system. Be safe.
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Lucis
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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: BeLove111]
#23901401 - 12/06/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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BeLove111 said: One has got to keep the liver in form!
True.
You can buy other things to help your liver though, maybe do a cleanse once a month, exercise at least 3 times a week, and drink plenty of green tea, and water.
You liver can regenerate though I think, so at least we got that going for us.
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Re: A Big WARNING on Kava Kava! [Re: Lucis]
#23901422 - 12/06/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Same as everything else know at your taking, don't abuse it and you should be ok......done it dozens of times over the years each time was excellent with no negative effects obv just personal Exp.
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