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LuzaW
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Trip Objectives
#23897778 - 12/05/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have never, ever gone into a trip expecting to learn anything. i have never thought i would "work out some things." i have never sought spiritual enlightenment from tripping. i have never tried to "grow" as a result of a trip experience. have never tripped for "healing" or any of that stuff.
all i've ever been after is the experience itself, and whatever it brings. trips have never brought me any special insights about myself, the world, the universe, healing, etc.
i get why someone would take this route to learn things, but it has never interested me, nor have trips ever thrust those things on me.
i guess i'm the oddball here, but surely i'm not the lone ranger, right?
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23897814 - 12/05/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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My first time I brought a voice recorder just in case I had any epiphanies. Turns out I had a lot of what I felt were great ideas to bring back. However, the guys I was with thought it would be funny to play what I had. So I took the tape out and handed them the recorder. They quickly realized that the tape was missing so they wrestled me to try and get the tape (for the record, no one was freaking; we were actually all laughing hysterically at this and in hindsight it would've been fine to just hand it over, but I wanted to hear my "revelations" first haha). By the time it was over I had crushed the tape in my death-grip- like hands, and as it fell apart I thought "oh, the tape itself feels really cool" so I played around with the tape and it ended up stretching and snapping in so many places that it was un-salvageable. My brothers and I have since laughed that the universe had taught me something that I wasn't supposed to know yet so it was meant to be. HAHAHA!
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: OakTree]
#23897817 - 12/05/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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...but that doesn't answer your question
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW] 1
#23897818 - 12/05/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't ever have any "objectives" when I trip, either, but I have had some pretty profound epiphanies from them. It's not something that everyone experiences, nor tries for all the time.
Honestly, those kinds of experiences happen out of the blue for me. Most of the time it happens during the come down of very euphoric trips for me. Thats when the majority of my introspection is done anyways.
There is nothing wrong with not seeking those experiences, the trip itself is usually what I'm after. I just let it take me where it wants.
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23897819 - 12/05/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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u must be very young?.. doesn't sound like uve experienced psychedelics at all.. what were u're experiences like?, and what did u use?..
i've only messed with mushrooms and stuff, i consider these natural substances as medicine, just like most drugs, they are considered medicine, medicine for the sick, medicine to heal, and rightfully so.
with that said, my main goal before a trip is usually always to "heal"..
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23897833 - 12/05/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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more thoughts
i tripped a fair amount in my late teens and early twenties, but i was also drinking very, very heavily at the time. i then went several decades with no drug/alcohol use at all before tripping again. during those decades, i grew up/matured quite a lot and developed a firm spiritual foundation. i'm now approaching 60 yo.
maybe my life path has been such that psyches aren't as influential in the spiritual/growth/healing/etc realm for me as they are for others
your thoughts?
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: zZZz]
#23897843 - 12/05/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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zZZz said: u must be very young?.. doesn't sound like uve experienced psychedelics at all.. what were u're experiences like?, and what did u use?..
i've only messed with mushrooms and stuff, i consider these natural substances as medicine, just like most drugs, they are considered medicine, medicine for the sick, medicine to heal, and rightfully so.
with that said, my main goal before a trip is usually always to "heal"..
haha, no. almost 60 yo
lsd, mush, mesc are my main tripping substances
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23897863 - 12/05/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i see..
maybe u no longer need them.. maybe u've been healed!..
is there anything currently bothering u in this life?..
are u content?..
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: zZZz]
#23897876 - 12/05/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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zZZz said: i see..
maybe u no longer need them.. maybe u've been healed!..
is there anything currently bothering u in this life?..
are u content?..
i have an amazingly good life. awesome wife, love God, great church, successful professional life, financially comfortable, good health, etc. sure, everybody has the small shit that goes wrong, bad things in life, people die, and so on, but you get the idea
i've been "healed," but tripping had nothing to do with it
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: zZZz]
#23897879 - 12/05/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some people just trip for the experience and never gain insight. My friend is the same way, he gets high and has a good time but its never anything very deep for him at all. Hes in his mid 30s now. I almost always go into my head and end up on some sort of introspective quest at one point in my trips, tho mostly with mushrooms and LSD. Things like 2cb, 2cE never really has that level of introspection to it.
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: zZZz]
#23897884 - 12/05/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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zZZz said: i see..
maybe u no longer need them.. maybe u've been healed!..
is there anything currently bothering u in this life?..
are u content?..
oh, just noticed your sig. yeah, that! (the jesus thing)
Edited by LuzaW (12/05/16 06:56 PM)
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: zZZz]
#23897897 - 12/05/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23897924 - 12/05/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LuzaW said: i have never, ever gone into a trip expecting to learn anything. i have never thought i would "work out some things." i have never sought spiritual enlightenment from tripping. i have never tried to "grow" as a result of a trip experience. have never tripped for "healing" or any of that stuff.
I didn't either but the psychedelics still gave it to me.. It doesn't matter if I go in looking just for fun or just for an experience it is always spiritual. It's predetermined as far as I'm concerned. Obviously when I first took LSD I never would have dreamed or believed anyone could even have a spiritual experience with a synthesized chemical. Did that stop me from having it though? Hell no. These substances do what they want with you.
I found the times where I was just wanting to get fucked up the most were also the times where the trips became almost too spiritual, too emotional and cathartic. The harder I would try to make it "fun" the further away from fun it would become.
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ChemicalSpark said: Thats what I've come to believe as well, especially with mushrooms.
Yep, they pretty much give you the opposite of what you want. I figured this is how mushrooms humble your ego and show you that you're not actually the one in control. I just figured it happened to pretty much everyone but I guess not.
I find it somewhat concerning that OP claims to have had not so much as even just a personal insight from psychedelics. That's very strange.
Honestly I can't imagine how that's even possible unless you're someone like Ricky Kasso lol.
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LuzaW
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ChemicalSpark said: Thats what I've come to believe as well, especially with mushrooms.
Yep, they pretty much give you the opposite of what you want. I figured this is how mushrooms humble your ego and show you that you're not actually the one in control. I just figured it happened to pretty much everyone but I guess not.
I find it somewhat concerning that OP claims to have had not so much as even just a personal insight from psychedelics. That's very strange.
Honestly I can't imagine how that's even possible unless you're someone like Ricky Kasso lol.
to be more precise, i've not had any NEW personal insights from psyches
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23898078 - 12/05/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see, I see.
Well I still find that odd, especially since you were tripping when you were relatively young during an age where we typically learn a lot. Could it just be the culture was different back then and we looked at altered states of consciousness differently?
You're not the first person who was tripping back in the day to say this so maybe people are just different now?
It could also be the order in which you tried certain psychedelics, for some people that makes all the difference.
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23898106 - 12/05/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psychedelics produce an effect on the psyche, this effect in particular makes psychedelic use and likely minor loss of brain function worth it.
It's called Personal Bias Suppression, here's the psychonaut wiki article about it.
HERE
To dissolve ones consciousness in various chemicals and precipitate it's hardened form, resolve washed away, a herring in an ocean of madness destined to live and die without ever escaping.
Also geometry can spawn many ideas and I believe shrooms were integral to the early success of the human race. Maybe archimedes was playing with shapes cause he ate some funny mushrooms off a goat turd and had the gnarliest psychedelic experience of his life.
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LuzaW
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AuroraBorealis88 said: I see, I see.
Well I still find that odd, especially since you were tripping when you were relatively young during an age where we typically learn a lot. Could it just be the culture was different back then and we looked at altered states of consciousness differently?
You're not the first person who was tripping back in the day to say this so maybe people are just different now?
It could also be the order in which you tried certain psychedelics, for some people that makes all the difference.
for me, it's prolly 'cause i was a raging alcoholic deep into my 24/7 drunkenness when i was tripping in my younger days. maybe not even lsd couldn't cut through that fog. (yes, i know lsd has been used for treatment of alkies, but i suspect it was administered as treatment when the alkies weren't blasted drunk)
lsd was my first psyche, then cactus, then mush
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23898151 - 12/05/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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also, i was tripping lsd in the 70s and spiritual learning was certainly part of the psychedelic culture at that time, so i don't think cultural difference is part of it (for me, anyway)
and i don't think people are any different now than they were then, at a fundamental level
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23898169 - 12/05/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LuzaW said: also, i was tripping lsd in the 70s and spiritual learning was certainly part of the psychedelic culture at that time, so i don't think cultural difference is part of it (for me, anyway)
and i don't think people are any different now than they were then, at a fundamental level
Yeah but the psychedelic scene was different back then even when it came to the "spiritual" aspect I feel. Idk it just seems qualitatively different to me now the spiritual connotations of psychs, and I wouldn't say the people these days are different on a fundamental level but I think people these days are definitely more "aware" and I've heard older people say this too. Could be the internet, could be something else I don't know because when I hear people's experiences from tripping back in the 60s and 70s and even 90s their general attitudes towards tripping just seems different, almost superficial in some sense.
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23898183 - 12/05/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well the satisfaction, or, rather, contentedness aquired from LSD revelations is quite soothing, and I believe that the stress from a difficult come up on any psychedelic is quite brisk and good for you. The physical load is your body adapting to recognize LSD, Psilocybin or DMT as "nutrition" rather than poison. Acclimation to psychedelics has greatly increased my ability to handle stress and decreased my anxiety massively.
They're worth throwing your life away for, why do you think all those acid dealers get locked away forever over a non-profitable chem?
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LuzaW
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LuzaW said: also, i was tripping lsd in the 70s and spiritual learning was certainly part of the psychedelic culture at that time, so i don't think cultural difference is part of it (for me, anyway)
and i don't think people are any different now than they were then, at a fundamental level
Yeah but the psychedelic scene was different back then even when it came to the "spiritual" aspect I feel. Idk it just seems qualitatively different to me now the spiritual connotations of psychs, and I wouldn't say the people these days are different on a fundamental level but I think people these days are definitely more "aware" and I've heard older people say this too. Could be the internet, could be something else I don't know because when I hear people's experiences from tripping back in the 60s and 70s and even 90s their general attitudes towards tripping just seems different, almost superficial in some sense.
careful, you're treading into "virtue signaling" territory! ("we're more 'advanced' now, etc)
ain't nothing new under the sun and people aren't any different now than they were then
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23898222 - 12/05/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LuzaW said: careful, you're treading into "virtue signaling" territory! ("we're more 'advanced' now, etc)
No I don't think I am at all. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't hear multiple people from your generation say it as well. They're the ones who actually made me realize it because how else would I know? I obviously wasn't there.
Alex Grey himself said that people these days are more aware and he's just one of them. People are absolutely different these days.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (12/05/16 08:41 PM)
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Re: Trip Objectives [Re: LuzaW]
#23898257 - 12/05/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I try to use trips to think through certain things, aspects of my life, to understand things, etc. etc. but I don't go in with a specific goal in mind or anything. It just happens naturally that I think about these things while tripping.
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LuzaW
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LuzaW said: careful, you're treading into "virtue signaling" territory! ("we're more 'advanced' now, etc)
No I don't think I am at all. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't hear multiple people from your generation say it as well. They're the ones who actually made me realize it because how else would I know? I obviously wasn't there.
Alex Grey himself said that people these days are more aware and he's just one of them. People are absolutely different these days.
i really appreciate that we can have polite discourse on topics where we disagree. it hasn't always been that way.
all the best to you and yours!
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