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Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono
#23897471 - 12/05/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys,
since my last attempt of fruting trays in a SGFC failed because of some contamination, I really need to have a success experience
I've started to Mini Monos with B+ rye spawn from agar, spawn seem to be clean (sight and smell) and I used CVG as Bulk
- both monos are done in the same 20qt tote - both were made with CVG from the same bucket (so same field capacity) - both were done with spawn that looked and smelled the same - both spawns were dunked before spawning
After 4 days of colonization with taped holes, I started fruiting because I leave my house on christmas for two weeks and I would like to harves before.
Colonization after 4 days:

Then I stuffed Poly into the low holes, as tight as I can, really, it's impossible to stuff it tighter. And very loose in the top holes, that loose, that they seem to fall out but it's "closing" the hole.
It's winter here so my house is a bit dry due to the heater but I think it's acceptable. I don't have a Fan running.
Both Monos stuffed with Polyfil:

Now after three days of fruiting, there is this no-condensaion ring arond the low holes and an area underneath my top holes stretching down, not always to the sub level but almost.
Unfortunately the sub of one tub (Tub 1) seems to be dry, there are only a few "myc spots" in the middle of the surface that show some water droplets. Elsewhere there's not water at all. I also recognized, that the "no condensation area" around the lower holes is much bigger than with the other tub, BUT (!) I think this results from the tub being "on top" of my 2-tub-stack. The imperfect lid seems to let to much FAE into the tub, which hinders the condensation above the lower poly. I just put to small food cans on the tub lid and now there is condensation again on the lower holes.
The other Tub (Tub 2) shows small water droplets, but actually also in the middle, not at the sides of the sub, but at all a lot more water droplets than in Tub 1. The "no condensation"-areas seem to be perfect, about 1 inch around the lower holes and an area underneath the top holes stretching down almost towards the sub.
But let the pictures speak:
TUB 1 (the dry one)
    
Sub:

As you can see, the sub seems to be a bit dry in my opinion, eventhough the condensation seem to fit was is expected from a dialed in mono. The missing condensation above my top lower holes was fixed by puttin the two cans on the imperfect lid.
TUB 2 (the "quite ok" one)
   
Sub:

As you can see there are small droplets of water on the surface of the sub, unfortunately not at the sids and most of them in the middle of the sub. Condensation rings seem to be absolutely ok from what I know about monos.
Conclusion
Since what I have learned through reading almost 100s of threads in the past days, it could be either my dry house or that my polyfil in the low holes is not tight enough which causes the dry surface of my sub in Tub 1. But there's no chance at all to make it more tight. And the rings around the poly seem to be ok, so maybe it's not the poly?
Or is it ok and I just overhinking it? Or shall I mist it until there are also droplets of water on the surface?
What do you think about Tub 2? Is the water on the sub ok or must it be more?
I have to leave on thursday for 4 days and I would really like to have it "set and forget".
So does anybody have a tip for me? 
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Edited by AlCapone2k (12/05/16 05:20 PM)
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23898227 - 12/05/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Post more pictures of that sprout that's coming up. I want to watch it grow.
Hard to tell from the pics how healthy those tubs are.

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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: HamHead]
#23898870 - 12/06/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha yeah rye sometimes shows these sprouts
Are the pictures that bad?
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23899378 - 12/06/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They don't look dried out but there isn't much condensation. Now that's partially due to them still colonizing, the temp won't reach peak levels until fully colonized and pinning starts. Condensation is greatly effected by temp differentials. If you are concerned you can always give em a mist, of course a casing often helps a lot as well as it let's you see if things are dry before the mycelium is damaged.
Rings on the bottom holes are a little large, if you can maybe stuff the poly a bit more. Dialing in a tub in my mind is a combination of misting, stuffing, and of course casing. Depending on your preference of course. If you want more FAE then stuffing tighter might be less attractive. If you don't want to mist or case stuffing is the way to go. It's all about achieving a balance that works for you.
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23899429 - 12/06/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you very much for your answer Pasty.
When you say "there isn't much condensation" you mean water droplets on the surface of the sub, right?
If yes, fine, that there aren't so many water droplets if the sub is still colonized I haven't known or read eventhough I researched a lot. Thank you very much, now I'm not that concerned anymore.
Eventhough I gave them a very small mist to the side of the walls. Or do you recommend to directly mist the sub slightly?
To the condensation rings: The pictures aren't that well, the rings around the bottom holes are a bit less than one inch, which can't be seen well on the picture. But I will keep a look at this and if they get bigger, I'll restuff the poly and try to stuff it more tight.
Would you recommend the following?
1. As long as I'm at home, I let the poly as it is because if necessary I can mist and then I can achieve high FAE. 2. When I have to leave for 4 days, I stuff the Poly more tight so that it's more Set and Forget
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23899434 - 12/06/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't mist the walls, the plastic doesn't need the water. Just a light mist on the sub itself. Don't overdo it tho, like I said it's not looking bad. Just a light spritz. If it dries up really fast then either dial the poly in tighter or mist again.
Don't be afraid to do up the poly tighter at first. You can always up the FAE later when the pinset is in.
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23899485 - 12/06/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, thank you very much
I just gave the sub a slight mist, now I have these water droplets on the surface.
If they disappear until tomorrow, I know that my Monotub is more on the "drying out"-Side and then I know how to dial it in better. I have bought a new kind of poly today which is a bit "harder" and not that soft as the pillow stuffing. Maybe with this Poly it's easier to stuff it even tighter.
Thank you very much!
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23899496 - 12/06/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some poly types are much harder to dial in tight. I find that cheaper grades are a lot tougher to get the bottom holes tight enough for my climate in the winter. Summer is easier when my heat isn't on constantly.
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23899505 - 12/06/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, since now I used this pillow stuffing, not the polyfil brand from the US but a german brand. It's really hard to use, because it's so weak and fluffy. You can't even roll it to a ball or something.
Now I have this polyfil used for aquariums, it comes as layers and not as a big bunch. It's the same like in the "iron polyfil"-Tek. I hope to be better with it. I'll give it a try in my dry tub, just to be able to compare
Really, thank you very much for your help. I'll keep a look at my pastystyle tubs and I hope they will go on well, if not, I could ask you once more Thank you!
Have a nice day.
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Edited by AlCapone2k (12/06/16 10:29 AM)
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23899819 - 12/06/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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My original idea (or possibly somebody elses<-------Spongiform) was to use something like these...
 Then stuff in the desired amount of poly and secure it in there with some other screen cut to size or something equivalent... (the cut screen on the outside as to allow for easy adjustment of amount of poly)
I opted out of this for now, I'm going to try it with some sticky back eco-fi felt over the holes for now, but just may resort back to using these inserts or Pasty's micropore idea which has inspired most of my ideas! I'm just a newb so don't hesitate to shit on me if this is a stupid idea....
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23899846 - 12/06/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think it is a bad idea. Quite the opposite . I like it. What is the size of those things? Never seen them in a hardware store. IMO it is definitely worth a try.
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: enlightenment]
#23899870 - 12/06/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
enlightenment said: I don't think it is a bad idea. Quite the opposite . I like it. What is the size of those things? Never seen them in a hardware store. IMO it is definitely worth a try.
Thanks enlightenment... Those ones are 2", sourced out a few online, there are various sizes and styles available. Also, little trick my son showed me, right click on the image and select, "search google for images".
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23899940 - 12/06/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
wolfedawwg said: My original idea (or possibly somebody elses) was to use something like these...
 Then stuff in the desired amount of poly and secure it in there with some other screen cut to size or something equivalent... (the cut screen on the outside as to allow for easy adjustment of amount of poly)
I opted out of this for now, I'm going to try it with some sticky back eco-fi felt over the holes for now, but just may resort back to using these inserts or Pasty's micropore idea which has inspired most of my ideas! I'm just a newb so don't hesitate to shit on me if this is a stupid idea....
Spongiform was working on a similar project with small vents. You should look at some of his old posts. I will see if I can find a link when I get home later.
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23900138 - 12/06/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome, thanks PW. I found it, fuck he got a lot of threads, page 4. Seems he was using the louver style vent and just stuffing the poly in, but he had the throat of the vent inside, I would do it opposite.... https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9489910
I also just got an idea for the covers, I have a few window screens here that are fucked but have a lot of salvageable material which could be cut to size and held on with tie wraps (I'm a sparky, I got millions) or elastics. Obviously there are lots of alternatives, It's all based on preference, budget and accessibility in the end.
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23900595 - 12/06/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, I got another Idea from the window screen.....the hamster wheel is always spinning, just the hamster spins with it sometimes.... This should alleviate any issues for under-stuffed holes. All you need is some fabric screen......

This is what was in a 1 1/2" hole I have pretty big hands and my fingers are spread wide opened.....
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: wolfedawwg]
#23900629 - 12/06/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Really nice ideas
I definetely will never use the normal pillow stuffing again.
Inspired by a tip from enlightment via PN I went to an animal store in town and bought normal aquarium filterwool. It comes in layers, looking like the polyfil layer stuff shown in this "ironing polyfil"-Tek.
It is not that soft as the pillow stuffing, can be formed to the shape you want and because it's that hard, it can be pushed with much more forche through the holes.
Now I it is that tight in my lower holes, that I can't even move it a bit. I'm really looking forward to use it for my jar lids, it was always a battle to push this pillow stuffing inside the small 1,25" holes of my jar lids.
Thank you very much to all of you, the surface of my sub is glistening because I gave the tubs a small mist this afternoon, now I will see if this glistening is still there tomorrow. If yes, my dialing in seems to be ok.
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23919109 - 12/12/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys,
now 10 days after initiating fruiting conditions have passed.
What do you think about my monotubs? Actually I can't see any change of the colonization compared to the pictures in my first post.
Is the growth stalling? Is there any other problem? Or shall I just wait a bit? Isn't more than 10 days since fruiting without any pins or primordia showing too much?

In comparison pictures on 2nd December:

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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23923160 - 12/13/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No one?
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23923400 - 12/13/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just be patient and make sure the surface is moist. If you see droplets of water on the surface you're doing just fine. Give it some time, it may take another two or three days for pins to form. It will fruit when it's ready.
I notice a huge difference in colonization in your before and after pics.
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Re: Dialing in my Pasty-style 20qt Mini Mono [Re: HamHead]
#23923761 - 12/13/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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10 days isn't really that long. When you grow APE sometimes it takes a month. Just give it time, make sure the surface conditions are good, and they will come. Or won't. It's really up to them, they come on their own schedule for the most part.
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