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How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can, soldering iron or drill xD) 1
#23897456 - 12/05/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I've been on hiatus for half a year or more now due to a busy lifestyle . Finally getting around to growing, and wouldn't you know it, both my old SABs are in use by my gf and her cats xD. One is now a kitty litter box, and the other is holding all our internet cords so that the cats can't stop playing around with. Pretty convenient the arm hole is the same height as the cord in the wall , but inconvenient I need it for sterile work..
Now that I'm going to be growing for a bit though, I need a SAB for myself. The nearest store for me to get anything is half an hour away. The city is an hour away and I'm snowed in (Canadian winters...) I wanted the SAB made quickly because I made agar literally just before this without thinking about my SAB situation, so I had to make it out of household materials I had at the time. I'm sure anyone can find these materials and make a SAB no probs.
Things you will need: -100+qt tub -torch (an essential for flaming tools after this is complete ) -screw driver/idfk.. something to melt holes big enough for some strong scissors to fit through -strong scissors (not some fuckin dinky schoolyard scissors)
How to do it, with pics:
First and foremost, before you have a still air box, you need to have a still air room. This box NEEDS to be in a room with STILL AIR, this means no vents running, and doors need to be shut.
My first SAB had 6" holes made out of coffee cans heated on the stove. I found 6" holes to be too small for my liking (the bigger the holes the better, to reduce piston effect and arm chafing ), so I made this SAB have 8" holes. I tried looking for a coffee can with an 8" diameter to no avail.. So I had to look for other options...
For starters, luckily I have a bunch of unmodified 110qt tubs, so I traced out 8" holes for myself:

I heated up my screwdriver..

and punched a hole while it was fuckin cold out:
 Make sure you punch on the top of the hole ( towards the bottom of the tub) because when the tub is upside down, this part will be much more jagged. You want to have the bottom and sides of the arm holes smoother for your delicate arms 
I continued trying to use this screw driver for the entire 8" hole, but got way too cold for that shit. I was like,"there has to be a better way." Luckily I made a hole big enough for some scissors to fit through, all I needed to do was weaken the plastic by heating it up with a torch:
 If the plastic starts to catch on fire, you've heated it too much, if it is still really hard to cut, you've not heated it enough
Doing this, the scissors cut this shit like it was paper..

Literally 30 seconds - 1 minute later..

Finished product:
 
Now I get to do some agar tonight 
I wish I had a soldering iron like muda, 8" drill bit, or a larger coffee can, but this was fuckin so easy I'll definitely do it again if I was in a pinch, and wanted to share this with y'all because of it.. There's no reason why anyone shouldn't have a SAB! All you need is a flame, scissors and a screwdriver!
Edited by Mad Season (12/06/16 11:54 AM)
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season]
#23897500 - 12/05/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was looking for my old monotubs the other day and then realized where I have been pulling my winter clothing out of Wives and GF's man!
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23897522 - 12/05/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol! So true. Yeah monotubs are great for clothes xD. They keep the stale air out. If anyone ever asks why I have tubs with holes I just say for clothes and nobody ever asks twice
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season]
#23897545 - 12/05/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think i have told people they were composters, sitting on the porch all triched out.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season]
#23897559 - 12/05/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nice in detail tek! Love the pics and vid, good job.    
highly covered topic it seems.
I used a soldering iron and it did take forever. seems like your way would be faster and a lot less smoke and melted plastic mess.
8" is nice and big.
My current setup has squares instead of holes that are from corner to corner 8" and I get paranoid sometimes.
Do you think squares would cause any problem as compared to circles?
And how big can you go on holes without making too much air movement from outside the box?
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season]
#23897585 - 12/05/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mad Season said:
Finished product:

Now I get to do some agar tonight 
Forgive me for asking but why did you tape the circles back into the place? Do you just keep them like than and just push your hands in when you want to use it?
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: oakley]
#23897602 - 12/05/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I literally just changed that part xD, you can see the pics of how it opens. That was me letting my agar cool down in a sealed chamber, so they don't draw anything in via vacuum as they cool.
@tom if you have a decently still room and a deep enough chamber, you don't even need arm holes. Just a 5 sided box. Really no such thing as too big
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: oakley]
#23897626 - 12/05/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used a dremal tool. Had some diamond cutting rotary bit, they cheap, it did a nice job for me.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season]
#23897780 - 12/05/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mad Season said: I literally just changed that part xD, you can see the pics of how it opens. That was me letting my agar cool down in a sealed chamber, so they don't draw anything in via vacuum as they cool.
@tom if you have a decently still room and a deep enough chamber, you don't even need arm holes. Just a 5 sided box. Really no such thing as too big 
So a glove box is really just unnecessary then?
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: TheMadHatter420]
#23897796 - 12/05/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I bet. I've used them before I know I could have made it work so many ways to skin a cat haha. I literally am stuck at home tho and needed a SAB within 30 minutes because I'm still pretty busy. This was the best I could do considering my circumstances. Pretty much no fumes, took 30 seconds in the warmth of my own home, and something I'd hope most people would have.
I just did my first agar inocs in it. Fuckin love the bigger holes <3 so much room!!
@ego a glove box is actually worse. Bigger surface area when arms move around, stirring air. Also has a huge piston effect because it's just attached to the arm holes when you move your arms in and out. Unless you can have a completely sealed box void of contaminations(impossible) a glove box is inferior.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season]
#23897824 - 12/05/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Mad Season said: I bet. I've used them before I know I could have made it work so many ways to skin a cat haha. I literally am stuck at home tho and needed a SAB within 30 minutes because I'm still pretty busy. This was the best I could do considering my circumstances. Pretty much no fumes, took 30 seconds in the warmth of my own home, and something I'd hope most people would have.
I just did my first agar inocs in it. Fuckin love the bigger holes <3 so much room!!
@ego a glove box is actually worse. Bigger surface area when arms move around, stirring air. Also has a huge piston effect because it's just attached to the arm holes when you move your arms in and out. Unless you can have a completely sealed box void of contaminations(impossible) a glove box is inferior.
I have been wondering about the piston effect; I never could understand why people would go through the trouble of making a glove box because of that. You just cleared that up for me.
Might as well make a flow hood if you are going to go through all that trouble.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can, soldering iron or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season]
#23897835 - 12/05/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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dude i might have to enlarge my holes. great method! thanks for sharing.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can, soldering iron or drill xD) [Re: Munchauzen]
#23898598 - 12/05/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks dude. I was actually so shocked how easy it was to cut a thick pp5 tub with scissors. Felt like extra thick cardboard paper really.
Haha definitely should enlarge them holes. These are so amazing. I love how much room I have. I'll for sure report back after doing a bunch of transfers in this new box. Going to do some of your LI for the first time soon as well
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: egobrain]
#23898628 - 12/05/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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egobrain said: Might as well make a flow hood if you are going to go through all that trouble.
Nah man. SAB is no trouble at all to make ^
Flow hoods aren't necessarily cheap.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: The Mycologist]
#23898686 - 12/05/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Mycologist said:
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egobrain said: Might as well make a flow hood if you are going to go through all that trouble.
Nah man. SAB is no trouble at all to make ^
Flow hoods aren't necessarily cheap.
I was talking about a glove box. Its still much less work than a flow hood though. 
Flow hoods aren't cheap. It would be fun to design and build one though, and that's enough of a reason for me to do it! I am a steel fabricator by trade, so I don't really thinks its that intimidating of a project.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: egobrain]
#23898760 - 12/06/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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but building a GB would be?
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: egobrain]
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Munchauzen]
#23899123 - 12/06/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mad over here trying to sound buff... "I decided to go with the 8" holes because my guns were too cramped in the 6ers."
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: egobrain]
#23899266 - 12/06/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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egobrain said: No.. its just the amount of work involved compared to building a SAB would make me consider just building a flow hood instead.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: bodhisatta]
#23899340 - 12/06/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Getting er done with the bare essentials, nice work Mad. I ended up using a steak knife, was a little sloppy but nothing a shitty silicone job wouldn't hide....
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: LocN9ne]
#23899383 - 12/06/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Mad over here trying to sound buff... "I decided to go with the 8" holes because my guns were too cramped in the 6ers."

Actually now that you mention it, 8" is too small for these guns  
Thanks everyone else , yeah it is meant for if you only have the bare essentials, and hopefully will get some noobs to get off their ass and build a SAB . If you have a drill and a decent bit, use that shit for sure.
Also I'm pretty sure ego is just saying that considering all the trouble a glove box is, you might as well build a flowhood in a really weird way xD
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season]
#23899397 - 12/06/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea but a glove box has no place in mushroom growing so i dont see the point in the comparison
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: bodhisatta]
#23899401 - 12/06/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha touche
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: bodhisatta]
#23899422 - 12/06/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Yea but a glove box has no place in mushroom growing so i dont see the point in the comparison
People definitely have used glove boxes growing mushrooms. You are right that its ineffective as was explain by Mad Season. (piston effect)
I don't think a flowhood would be too much work..
You could draw it up in Google sketchup, solid works, etc
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: egobrain]
#23899437 - 12/06/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It there's a nice lumber yard in your area they'll cut plywood for you into the cuts you need for free or a few bucks. Since most people won't have a way to get a 4x8 foot sheet home.
Void free 13 ply 3/4" Baltic birch plywood. Glue all joints hold with pins. Then high gloss poly coat the inside and out.
Even putting some craftsmanship into it isn't too much work. But most people don't need a hood. Stonesun's got one of the most impressive builds I've seen posted
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: bodhisatta]
#23899462 - 12/06/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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how is duct taping gloves to your SAB too much work? piston effect refers to SABs not GBs.
all I want for christmas is for people to stop talking about stuff they have no experience in.. hint hint shroomery..
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: egobrain]
#23899512 - 12/06/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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thats simply pushing the air around, piston effect refers to air being pushed towards the walls of tunnels by moving objects.
my christmas wish list was more aimed at maybe dont talk about how hard it is to build a gb, or how easy it is to build a FH, if you havent done either
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: egobrain]
#23899524 - 12/06/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I reacted more to the building a gb is hard part.. but thanks for not freaking out on me
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: spacechildo]
#23899534 - 12/06/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice work mad! Then once done ya still keep the torch around to flame yer tools with
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: egobrain]
#23899855 - 12/06/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is always more than one way to skin a cat.
Especially when the cat can be skinned with bare minimum/shit that everyone has, that's always cool.
Good shit Mad, thank you for sharing.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: AllDay420]
#23900378 - 12/06/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice job, that thing looks roomy! I just grabbed a 108 last night to make a replacement for my dinky 58.
I wish I had seen this before buying a soldering iron with that tote...
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Speckles]
#23900464 - 12/06/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Love the robbie bit screw driver for the toutorial  I hope that was on pourpose
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: ComebackKid]
#23901859 - 12/06/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can see how you'd get confused that it's Robertson but it's a torx screw driver, unless America calls things differently lol. I chose torx because there's like never a torx screw. House is fuckin littered with Robertson's tho
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can, soldering iron or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season]
#23902064 - 12/07/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is exactly how I made mine. 
Nice write up though.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season] 1
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nice quick job 
re: those who say piston effect is a problem and glove boxes are wrong
Back in the day made a box with gloves in front and a filter on each side made of empty cottage cheese/yogurt 32oz type containers, stuffed with fiberglass insulation. Box was card board, with mylar/acetate window on top, styrofoam insulation. Had shelves just big enough for petri dishes and baby food jars so it was an incubator too, had a soil heating cable on a humid proof thermostat. Could even blow air into box, thru filters with hair dryer. No piston effect, could even use alcohol lamp. It worked.
Using what you have makes sense.
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: Mad Season]
#23902416 - 12/07/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahaha so it is! My bad
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: ComebackKid]
#23903082 - 12/07/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for sharing i was just literally thinking how i would cut the holes in without a drill
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Re: How I just made my SAB (too ghetto for a coffe can or drill xD) [Re: tripo3]
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