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How much do you know?
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I think at the end of the day, I don't know shite and those who do know a lot are ignoring the complexities through either voluntary or involuntary lack of intelligence.
One thing is sure though, the more you develop what you think may be understanding, the better life gets and also, the higher your quality of being, if there's a difference (between life and your being).
State of mind can so easily preclude any perception let alone understanding of life. Likewise, a brilliant state of mind can really catalyze understanding.
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"a brilliant state of mind" is as apt to be fooled as anyone.
In the comparison of Understanding with Quality of life I think appearances can be deceiving, what with Mainstream ideology often equating Quality with Alcohol, cigarettes and a competitive edge in the Rat race.
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I think you mean attitude more than state of mind, but I like your new distinction between the ideas of "quality of being", which diverges from "quality of life" - in the sense of QOB being how you are (quality of being) which can be inconsistent with what might be expected while living in the quality of life QOL (life style, snack bracket, rank, status).
still the general populous has no consistency on the meaning of "state of mind" anyway lumping together moods, feelings, emotions, attitudes, outlook, mindset, etc.
I use state of mind to indicate the range of resonant mental states from unconscious (blackout, sleeping), dreaming/or delerious, waking and hallucinating, emotionally or drug enhanced, slightly enhanced (charmed - like with weed/coke/light shrooms etc.), and normal or baseline.
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I know a lot. I read and study obsessively...I know science, math, computers (the whole spectrum), the making and playing of complex musical instruments...but the more I know...the more I realize I don't know.
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Objectively and subjectively "I feel good stoned and that's not bad" and a moral 'objection to public intoxication' both constitute a quality of being at odds.
Refusing to take sides could be the more intelligent choice.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: dodgem]
#23894533 - 12/04/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's no hope for us in that quarter then.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: Lucis] 1
#23894799 - 12/04/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fennario said: I know that I know nothing.
Does anyone even know that? It's conceivable that we all know more than we think we do, in certain respects. Who knows?
Socrates, who was famous for his dictum, also believed that we are born with perfect knowledge from previous lives, and the unfolding of life is the process of rediscovering it. So even he, whom everybody quotes as knowing that he knew not, believed in some sense that we all know much more than we realize.
Food for thought.
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I know whatever I choose to believe, as do we all for there are no inherent meanings in life, we choose our own meanings by what we value in life.
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Perhaps the more we know the further from the truth we get.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23894980 - 12/04/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tell that to an engineer..
I mean what the fuck?
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
#23894990 - 12/04/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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BANAL\\// And the philosopher or the priest or the parent. Why do you always need to drag it down.......im sure the existential self doesn't worry the engineer whilst he is performing his duties. I'm pretty sure there is no engineers looking at these forums for hint on work.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23895055 - 12/04/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Same goes for telling a philosopher that the more you know the further from the truth you get.
Does the banality of truth offend you?
If someone's belief system isn't based on objective values such as the scientific method then those beliefs can lead to an individual 'knowing' false information. E.g. Creationists, climate deniers etc.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
#23895073 - 12/04/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Banal truth is better than opionated shit"...nice edit. What does adding to a conversation things that anybody over the age of 15 knows, achieve. You are in a philosophy thread."
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23895079 - 12/04/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know the shit you spout we all do, get the point! This is a place for whimsical subjective thought and opinion....get used to it.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23895087 - 12/04/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm gonna put you on ignore, which I don't like doing but we I you just cant be civil and its not worth it anyway.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23895100 - 12/04/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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pineninja said: get the point!
I was going to try being polite but..
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Banal truth is better than opionated shit
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The more we know, the more we know there is to know.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: DisoRDeR]
#23895274 - 12/04/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think most people see this.

But I see this.
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I know that I am conscious.
I don't really know anything apart from that, but there are an apparently infinite number of propositions to which I assign a truth value between 0.00001 (this being the chances of sudly losing his virginity in the next 24 hours) to 0.99999 (this being the chance that I will choose to smoke a joint from my stash in the next 24 hours).
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: viktor]
#23895394 - 12/04/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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*You are conscious and you are sentient and you should know that you evolved.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly] 1
#23895536 - 12/04/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know that I evolved
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: viktor]
#23895546 - 12/04/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Then you're pretty ignorant  And since ignorance just means not knowing..
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
#23895802 - 12/05/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: *You are conscious and you are sentient and you should know that you evolved.
What if evolution isn't exactly what you think it is? Would you say then, that you know you evolved?
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: Hobozen]
#23895824 - 12/05/16 03:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think evolution is the accumulation of minuscule changes in the DNA of an organism over thousands of generations that allows them to adapt to their environment and survive.
Plus scientists can see and track evolution in the lab as seen in Richard Lenski's long term E.coli experiment.
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The E. coli long-term evolution experiment (LTEE) is an ongoing study in experimental evolution led by Richard Lenski that has been tracking genetic changes in 12 initially identical populations of asexual Escherichia coli bacteria since 24 February 1988. The populations reached the milestone of 50,000 generations in February 2010 and 66,000 in November 2016.
Over the course of the experiment, Lenski and his colleagues have reported a wide array of phenotypic and genotypic changes in the evolving populations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
With evidence in genetics, fossils, geology and microbiology evolution is scientific fact, just as the theories of gravity and electromagnetism are.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: Lucis]
#23895834 - 12/05/16 03:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I learned that what we see is not universal truth, it is not objective reality, what we see is a unique personal virtually reality that is masterfully constructed by our brain.
What you see is a complex mental construction of your own making but you experience it passively as a direct representation of the world around you, you create your own reality and you believe it.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja] 1
#23895893 - 12/05/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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pineninja said: I'm gonna put you on ignore, which I don't like doing but we I you just cant be civil and its not worth it anyway.
A surprise move on the part of a Ninja, deleting himself from the gene-pool as it were.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
#23895897 - 12/05/16 05:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly you just came into another thread and tried to turn it into your personal treatise again, people are complaining and you are delighted. this is not a lovely pattern.
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To treatise the reality of the human experience sounds nice.
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Treatise: a written work dealing formally and systematically with a subject.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
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I meant treatising the reality of the human experience as in writing a thesis on the subject of the evolution of sentience from a viewpoint of modern evolutionary synthesis.
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Though a vague definition, Robert Anton Wilson said that all you can know is what you tune into. Nothing new, just different words to poetise the basic idea that so much shit comes at you constantly that your brain needs to filter past most of it so that you can go about your day.
As for the possibility of being able to tune into the philosophers stone/holy grail of truth... It most likely becomes uncomprehendable to us. Think about the psychedelic experience, if you were convinced that you'd come face to face with the Akashic records/etc, wouldn't it stand to reason that that would be totally beyond our understanding, just data streams that form into geometric art. and so each person draws their own conclusions, takes what they need and leaves the rest.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: SnowGypsy]
#23898221 - 12/05/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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"wouldn't it stand to reason that that would be totally beyond our understanding, just data streams that form into geometric art." Nice.
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pineninja said: I'm gonna put you on ignore, which I don't like doing but we I you just cant be civil and its not worth it anyway.
A surprise move on the part of a Ninja, deleting himself from the gene-pool as it were.
Not the pool I want to be swimming in, as it is.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
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I think this explains my perception of this concept. I become compulsive with educating myself on any subject, I couldn't care what it is I just love learning. But you start to come to a realisation that there isn't an end to the road of knowledge, it just keeps going and going in a certain sense.
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Huehuecoyotl said: I know a lot. I read and study obsessively...I know science, math, computers (the whole spectrum), the making and playing of complex musical instruments...but the more I know...the more I realize I don't know.
Oops I was meant to quote that.
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Rollin.n.Strollin said: I think this explains my perception of this concept. I become compulsive with educating myself on any subject, I couldn't care what it is I just love learning. But you start to come to a realisation that there isn't an end to the road of knowledge, it just keeps going and going in a certain sense.
Imo An awareness of this allows the journey to be enjoyed, some are blinded by an unreachable destination.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja] 1
#23898323 - 12/05/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I get ya. An admission that your never going to know everything is the key to knowing more I guess.
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pineninja said:
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Buster_Brown said:
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pineninja said: I'm gonna put you on ignore, which I don't like doing but we I you just cant be civil and its not worth it anyway.
A surprise move on the part of a Ninja, deleting himself from the gene-pool as it were.
Not the pool I want to be swimming in, as it is.
The interface of sacrificing the opposition leads to self annulment, imo
Our interface with the surface excitement of reality brings the focus back to the self.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23898952 - 12/06/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why should you be the only one to evolve? I've PM'd Asante to opt me back into the Ratings.
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You're right. No reflection no self.
I'm sorry sudly. I don't think we are going to get along, but ignoring you is both childish and against my reasons for being here and HERE.
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Buster_Brown said: Why should you be the only one to evolve? I've PM'd Asante to opt me back into the Ratings.
I never said I should and by definition it's impossible.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23898984 - 12/06/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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pineninja said: by definition it's impossible.
expound?
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=evolution+definition
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Thanks all.
To have little to say about the complexities of life is terrible, but to have very much to say is to be delusional. Nothing in particular is really known. Intelligence is as much of a mystery as anything else; it is only through voluntary or involuntary lack thereof that life is grasped. It should fall through our fingers, and yet there is so much to feel as it runs through. To not grasp but to let life sift through us, that is the idea, that is intelligent behaviour. At least when all is said and done, we left an interesting pattern on the beach of the cataclysmic kingdom of sheer existence, if we at least made more than a clenched fist with our feeble minds.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: viktor]
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That's a lot of standard deviations...
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
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How do you explain the giant skeletons of men? Evolution?
DUMBS are real.
We may know 5% of what's "really" going on in the world.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
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Yeah, take an hour and ten out of your "busy" schedule, and watch that video. It'll leave your ganglia dangling.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
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what is your working definition of evolution for this thread?
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sudly said:*You are conscious and you are sentient and you should know that you evolved.
i disagree. none of us posting evolved. it's highly unlikely any of our parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, and so on evolved, outside of minor genetic mutations. if you want to consider any minor genetic mutation evolving, then i will concede that point. however, we are the PRODUCT of a former species that evolved into our current species. until the next progression of homo sapiens sapiens comes to surface, no humans alive, imo, could be considered to have evolved.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
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OMG this much we do know. This section of the forum is deteriorating, and some members need to at least study what drives evolution. redgreenvines at least "gets it" on this one, and it's mutation. That's it. Either the mutation works out, or it doesn't. But, that takes a long time to drive, and how can we know that given the changing environment that this year's good mutation won't be next years shit out of luck mutation?
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You talking to me? I understand evolution as its taught both from the Darwin Era through to now reading Dawkins and everything in between. Its not really rocket science tbh mutations are either of benifit or not and will be on bred or not(nutshell). This is merely base learning.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: demiu5]
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sudly said: I think evolution is the accumulation of minuscule changes in the DNA of an organism over thousands of generations that allows them to adapt to their environment and survive.
Plus scientists can see and track evolution in the lab as seen in Richard Lenski's long term E.coli experiment.
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The E. coli long-term evolution experiment (LTEE) is an ongoing study in experimental evolution led by Richard Lenski that has been tracking genetic changes in 12 initially identical populations of asexual Escherichia coli bacteria since 24 February 1988. The populations reached the milestone of 50,000 generations in February 2010 and 66,000 in November 2016.
Over the course of the experiment, Lenski and his colleagues have reported a wide array of phenotypic and genotypic changes in the evolving populations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
With evidence in genetics, fossils, geology and microbiology evolution is scientific fact, just as the theories of gravity and electromagnetism are.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
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pineninja said: You talking to me? I understand evolution as its taught both from the Darwin Era through to now reading Dawkins and everything in between. Its not really rocket science tbh mutations are either of benifit or not and will be on bred or not(nutshell). This is merely base learning.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: I think evolution is the accumulation of minuscule changes in the DNA of an organism over thousands of generations that allows them to adapt to their environment and survive.
Plus scientists can see and track evolution in the lab as seen in Richard Lenski's long term E.coli experiment.
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The E. coli long-term evolution experiment (LTEE) is an ongoing study in experimental evolution led by Richard Lenski that has been tracking genetic changes in 12 initially identical populations of asexual Escherichia coli bacteria since 24 February 1988. The populations reached the milestone of 50,000 generations in February 2010 and 66,000 in November 2016.
Over the course of the experiment, Lenski and his colleagues have reported a wide array of phenotypic and genotypic changes in the evolving populations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
With evidence in genetics, fossils, geology and microbiology evolution is scientific fact, just as the theories of gravity and electromagnetism are.
so, based on that, any mutation that does not yield "successful" results, i.e. adaption that allows one to continue surviving, would not qualify as evolution, per your definition?
if so, i stand by my statement that NONE of us are likely to have evolved, are evolving, or multiple generations passed have evolved. So unless your comment, "You are conscious and you are sentient and you should know that you evolved.", was sarcasm, then your comment is false.
Lots of genetic mutations result in geno-/phenotypic changes that don't ultimately benefit the individual or any individuals born of that mutated individual. like Lunar stated, it [can] take A LONG TIME for a successful mutation to yield itself.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: demiu5]
#23903714 - 12/07/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Evolution is the accumulation of genetic changes that lead to adaptation and survival. Some mutations do not provide a benefit and so the organisms dies, sometimes the mutation does provide a benefit (e.g. thicker hair/stronger bones) and the animal does survive.
It's all apart of evolution.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
#23903801 - 12/07/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Evolution is the accumulation of genetic changes that lead to adaptation and survival. Some mutations do not provide a benefit and so the organisms dies, sometimes the mutation does provide a benefit (e.g. thicker hair/stronger bones) and the animal does survive.
It's all apart of evolution.
mutation =/= death. genes have the potential to mutate, naturally or through external influence, multiple times within an individual's lifespan. saying that evolution is an accumulation means that any single individual mutation is not evolution, but two or more mutations qualifies. your logic is very difficult to follow.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: demiu5]
#23904065 - 12/07/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mutations can result in either a quicker death or adaptation for survival. Evolution is the long term result of genetic mutation and it results in speciation
Evolution occurs as new genes are made through animal mating.
Radiation might change the structure of DNA in an organism but an externally influenced physical mutation is unlikely to cause any benefit.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
#23904997 - 12/07/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gods word (the bible) stresses over and over again the importance of knowledge and understanding.
"Blessed is the man who finds wisdom, the man who gains understanding, for she is more profitable than silver and yields better returns than gold. She is more precious than rubies; nothing you desire can compare with her. Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor. Her ways are pleasant ways, and all her paths are peace. She is a tree of life to those who embrace her; those who lay hold of her will be blessed. By wisdom the LORD laid the earth’s foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place; by his knowledge the deeps were divided, and the clouds let drop the dew.
“As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly.”
" A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the back of fools. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes. ... "
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly] 1
#23907114 - 12/08/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Mutations can result in either a quicker death or adaptation for survival. Evolution is the long term result of genetic mutation and it results in speciation
Evolution occurs as new genes are made through animal mating.
Radiation might change the structure of DNA in an organism but an externally influenced physical mutation is unlikely to cause any benefit.
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pick a definition and stick to it. first you say it's an accumulation, then you say it is long-term change resulting in speciation.
do you not see the difference in those things?
as well, mutations can also be neutral. they don't have to either result in 1) a quicker death, or 2) adaption for survival. there are other possibilities
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: demiu5]
#23907638 - 12/08/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Evolution is the accumulation of individual genetic mutations that lead to speciation over a long period of time.
If you want to learn the specifics you can look up the different forms of evidence for evolution or watch the video below.
And yes some mutations are benign though they can on occasion be made effective if specific secondary mutations occur.

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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sprinkles]
#23921144 - 12/12/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gods word (the bible) stresses over and over again the importance of knowledge and understanding.
God told Adam and Eve they were not to eat from The Tree of Knowledge.
They did, and ruined the perfect world God made for us.
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