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pineninja
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Rollin.n.Strollin said: I think this explains my perception of this concept. I become compulsive with educating myself on any subject, I couldn't care what it is I just love learning. But you start to come to a realisation that there isn't an end to the road of knowledge, it just keeps going and going in a certain sense.
Imo An awareness of this allows the journey to be enjoyed, some are blinded by an unreachable destination.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja] 1
#23898323 - 12/05/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I get ya. An admission that your never going to know everything is the key to knowing more I guess.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja] 2
#23898890 - 12/06/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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pineninja said: I'm gonna put you on ignore, which I don't like doing but we I you just cant be civil and its not worth it anyway.
A surprise move on the part of a Ninja, deleting himself from the gene-pool as it were.
Not the pool I want to be swimming in, as it is.
The interface of sacrificing the opposition leads to self annulment, imo
Our interface with the surface excitement of reality brings the focus back to the self.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23898952 - 12/06/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why should you be the only one to evolve? I've PM'd Asante to opt me back into the Ratings.
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pineninja
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You're right. No reflection no self.
I'm sorry sudly. I don't think we are going to get along, but ignoring you is both childish and against my reasons for being here and HERE.
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Buster_Brown said: Why should you be the only one to evolve? I've PM'd Asante to opt me back into the Ratings.
I never said I should and by definition it's impossible.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23898984 - 12/06/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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pineninja said: by definition it's impossible.
expound?
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=evolution+definition
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Thanks all.
To have little to say about the complexities of life is terrible, but to have very much to say is to be delusional. Nothing in particular is really known. Intelligence is as much of a mystery as anything else; it is only through voluntary or involuntary lack thereof that life is grasped. It should fall through our fingers, and yet there is so much to feel as it runs through. To not grasp but to let life sift through us, that is the idea, that is intelligent behaviour. At least when all is said and done, we left an interesting pattern on the beach of the cataclysmic kingdom of sheer existence, if we at least made more than a clenched fist with our feeble minds.
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Its takes two too tango Whether it be mind or body.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: viktor]
#23900758 - 12/06/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's a lot of standard deviations...
You Know You Know
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
#23900815 - 12/06/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How do you explain the giant skeletons of men? Evolution?
DUMBS are real.
We may know 5% of what's "really" going on in the world.
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Edited by LunarEclipse (12/06/16 06:20 PM)
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
#23901132 - 12/06/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, take an hour and ten out of your "busy" schedule, and watch that video. It'll leave your ganglia dangling.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
#23901160 - 12/06/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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what is your working definition of evolution for this thread?
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sudly said:*You are conscious and you are sentient and you should know that you evolved.
i disagree. none of us posting evolved. it's highly unlikely any of our parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, and so on evolved, outside of minor genetic mutations. if you want to consider any minor genetic mutation evolving, then i will concede that point. however, we are the PRODUCT of a former species that evolved into our current species. until the next progression of homo sapiens sapiens comes to surface, no humans alive, imo, could be considered to have evolved.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23901206 - 12/06/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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OMG this much we do know. This section of the forum is deteriorating, and some members need to at least study what drives evolution. redgreenvines at least "gets it" on this one, and it's mutation. That's it. Either the mutation works out, or it doesn't. But, that takes a long time to drive, and how can we know that given the changing environment that this year's good mutation won't be next years shit out of luck mutation?
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You talking to me? I understand evolution as its taught both from the Darwin Era through to now reading Dawkins and everything in between. Its not really rocket science tbh mutations are either of benifit or not and will be on bred or not(nutshell). This is merely base learning.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: demiu5]
#23901246 - 12/06/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: I think evolution is the accumulation of minuscule changes in the DNA of an organism over thousands of generations that allows them to adapt to their environment and survive.
Plus scientists can see and track evolution in the lab as seen in Richard Lenski's long term E.coli experiment.
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The E. coli long-term evolution experiment (LTEE) is an ongoing study in experimental evolution led by Richard Lenski that has been tracking genetic changes in 12 initially identical populations of asexual Escherichia coli bacteria since 24 February 1988. The populations reached the milestone of 50,000 generations in February 2010 and 66,000 in November 2016.
Over the course of the experiment, Lenski and his colleagues have reported a wide array of phenotypic and genotypic changes in the evolving populations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
With evidence in genetics, fossils, geology and microbiology evolution is scientific fact, just as the theories of gravity and electromagnetism are.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: pineninja]
#23901249 - 12/06/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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pineninja said: You talking to me? I understand evolution as its taught both from the Darwin Era through to now reading Dawkins and everything in between. Its not really rocket science tbh mutations are either of benifit or not and will be on bred or not(nutshell). This is merely base learning.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: sudly]
#23903098 - 12/07/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said:
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sudly said: I think evolution is the accumulation of minuscule changes in the DNA of an organism over thousands of generations that allows them to adapt to their environment and survive.
Plus scientists can see and track evolution in the lab as seen in Richard Lenski's long term E.coli experiment.
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The E. coli long-term evolution experiment (LTEE) is an ongoing study in experimental evolution led by Richard Lenski that has been tracking genetic changes in 12 initially identical populations of asexual Escherichia coli bacteria since 24 February 1988. The populations reached the milestone of 50,000 generations in February 2010 and 66,000 in November 2016.
Over the course of the experiment, Lenski and his colleagues have reported a wide array of phenotypic and genotypic changes in the evolving populations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
With evidence in genetics, fossils, geology and microbiology evolution is scientific fact, just as the theories of gravity and electromagnetism are.
so, based on that, any mutation that does not yield "successful" results, i.e. adaption that allows one to continue surviving, would not qualify as evolution, per your definition?
if so, i stand by my statement that NONE of us are likely to have evolved, are evolving, or multiple generations passed have evolved. So unless your comment, "You are conscious and you are sentient and you should know that you evolved.", was sarcasm, then your comment is false.
Lots of genetic mutations result in geno-/phenotypic changes that don't ultimately benefit the individual or any individuals born of that mutated individual. like Lunar stated, it [can] take A LONG TIME for a successful mutation to yield itself.
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Re: How much do you know? [Re: demiu5]
#23903714 - 12/07/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Evolution is the accumulation of genetic changes that lead to adaptation and survival. Some mutations do not provide a benefit and so the organisms dies, sometimes the mutation does provide a benefit (e.g. thicker hair/stronger bones) and the animal does survive.
It's all apart of evolution.
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