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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23900300 - 12/06/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:

.... You were just talking about female choice and reproduction in early human history which is supposedly what evolved and shaped men's IQ's, not "in the west" for the past 100 years. Seriously.




Perfect example of Plausible deniability, lack of responsibility, and self ownership. Right. Cause women never procreate with losers? Yah, okay bud!



lol ^

A similar narrative follows children with the wrong male.

Gender is not a construct. The interest is there but, more women are on a leftist forum like reddit and cosmo.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23900315 - 12/06/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm assuming you're speaking of the need to "label label label" in todays society...

I'd like to add to cookiecrumbs idea of not getting rid of gym/arts and provide martial arts in school for children. shit will teach them discipline and they wont be fat little porkers to boot.




I think she was talking about creative arts.  Actually the only people in my high school who learned martial arts of any sort were women in the form of "self defense" classes (we did have wrestling I guess).  I knew a couple guys who probably could have used that too tho.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy] * 4
    #23900323 - 12/06/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Polarizing everything when everything is a spectrum is pretty toxic. The people say "I know there are exceptions but [insert ranting complaint about a certain type of person]" don't really acknowledge the spectrum. They would word things very differently if they did.


I grew up around boys, as I said earlier, and it took me a very long time to acknowledge and accept my feminine side. If someone told 15 yr old me to "get in touch with my feminine side" I'd tell em to fuck off. As I've grown up I've realized what that even means. Most of the things that come to mind of femininity in our culture is very shallow and has little to do with the concept of femininity. Most of those things come from polarization of gender roles and reproductive rituals.


The problems in our society come from a lack of discipline, determination, problem solving, and critical thinking. These are symptoms of not doing things for yourself.

Now if we go back 500-1000 years women worked their fucking asses off. Your idea of hand washing probably involves a running faucet. No, most women pulled up buckets of wash water from wells (which I have done and it takes a fuckload of upper body strength and endurance to pull up a few dozen 3 gallon buckets from a standard well.) and then they hand washed it on a metal rack which, after a time, that will hurt your fingers. Less so when you build calluses. And most of them didn't have strollers or body strapped baby carriers. They carried their children everywhere they needed to go. They also had to often go with their man to the market and carry the produce in sacks. Or walk however many miles, if they lived close enough. If they were farmers they helped their husband or family farm while also caring for the children. And this was often inbetween slaughtering chickens and loading a wood stove and jarring or salting or cutting and peeling and plucking and... well everything we pay someone else or even a machine to do for us now. Societies and eras differ but just because a woman couldn't hold a job doesn't mean she didn't work and work hard at that.


Feminine doesn't mean soft.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23900328 - 12/06/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Mescalean said:
I'm assuming you're speaking of the need to "label label label" in todays society...

I'd like to add to cookiecrumbs idea of not getting rid of gym/arts and provide martial arts in school for children. shit will teach them discipline and they wont be fat little porkers to boot.




I think she was talking about creative arts.  Actually the only people in my high school who learned martial arts of any sort were women in the form of "self defense" classes (we did have wrestling I guess).  I knew a couple guys who probably could have used that too tho.




Martial arts would be good too. Sports are getting cut too and bodily discipline combined with mental focus and problem solving is almost as good as teaching children expressive creativity.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: finalexplosion] * 2
    #23900346 - 12/06/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:

.... You were just talking about female choice and reproduction in early human history which is supposedly what evolved and shaped men's IQ's, not "in the west" for the past 100 years. Seriously.




Perfect example of Plausible deniability, lack of responsibility, and self ownership. Right. Cause women never procreate with losers? Yah, okay bud!



lol ^

A similar narrative follows children with the wrong male.

Gender is not a construct. The interest is there but, more women are on a leftist forum like reddit and cosmo.




Up until relatively recently in history most women had no choice whatsoever in who they procreated with. No most were not raped but their fathers married them off.

I'm gonna put you on ignore for a while I think, till you either stop doing drugs or start listening to reason. Or maybe at least make sense.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23900360 - 12/06/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe try out some variations of the statement and see how they sound. If someone was to say "I guess I'm the idiot for hanging out in a mostly black neighborhood", doesn't that kind of sound like a negative characterization of black people in general? (The apparent subtext being: "I should have expected a bad outcome given that black people tend to be like xyz.")It's also quite different from the statement of fact "Most of the people who live in this neighborhood are black."




This, why is the typical liberal chicken shit cop out for a racial statement or anything of the sort "oh i was just joking lol"



I can see what she was saying about "I've learned that I'm the idiot for xyz" being a facetious way of saying "Other people here have been telling me xyz". Tone can be tricky to get across through text.

Looking back at the comments, some people did say things along the lines of it being stupid to want to participate at this particular forum and that most women are "too smart" for that. I think the "mostly white, mostly male, mostly straight" sentiment may be a bit of a leap from that though.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23900362 - 12/06/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah personally I am kind of a supporter of limiting head trauma in young people, I think that is a good trend, but I do agree.

I work in a male-dominated job, but my industry is held together by women.  Suppressing arrogance and aggression is essential these days if you're going to contribute.  If raw strength and intensity are masculine, then being a decent likable person is feminine.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23900457 - 12/06/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Theres that polarization shit again! i seent it!

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  If raw strength and intensity are masculine, then being a decent likable person is feminine.




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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: Mescalean] * 1
    #23900473 - 12/06/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:shrug: women just seem to make better people.  I wish it wasn't so.  What do you consider masculine strengths? 

I would say that for all intents and purposes, all people are born equal.  I could also say that women tend to be more submissive and compliant, which I don't admire myself, but it is totally in their capacity to overcome this just as men don't need to always be aggressive and arrogant.  It's more a learned thing than something endemic to men or women.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy] * 2
    #23900489 - 12/06/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Female-dominated workplaces aren't always sunshine and roses either from what I hear. My wife works with mostly women and there is plenty of nastiness going around.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23900492 - 12/06/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What makes a good person? You relationship with them? Females biologically have a nurturing side which means that they will nurture objective judgements as much as how they relate to others. Men are more independant and as such are wired to give less fucks. I don't think any individual variances on gender psychology have any real grasp on what is truly a 'better person.' There are lots of socially retarded assholes out there that are better people than the most seemingly nice.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: psi]
    #23900494 - 12/06/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

When I worked at Chapman's I worked with mostly women around my age. It was nice because most of them were friendly but they would talk too much, gossip about the other ones and if one gets in a bitchy mood then eventually they all follow suit. The older women were like this too.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23900500 - 12/06/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah I don't get it because people will say "men aren't what they used to be" but if whatever characteristics were actually endemic to men then it wouldn't be something they could lose anyway. 

Things like strength of character, dependability, and intelligence are not exclusive to men, nor have they ever been especially common in men.  I'm not sure what qman is talking about here tho.



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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: Webster10]
    #23900505 - 12/06/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's like Clint Eastwood vs Micheal Cera. Welcome to 2016.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: psi]
    #23900519 - 12/06/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Female-dominated workplaces aren't always sunshine and roses either from what I hear. My wife works with mostly women and there is plenty of nastiness going around.




No that's why you can't have this conversation without talking about the balance.


If you put cats into a sack they're going to fight. If you put dogs into a crate they're going to fight. Especially when they are competing for meat. We are more advanced than animals but we are still animals and we do need each other. Whether for reproduction or not.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy] * 4
    #23900528 - 12/06/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hi Bunny, you're the best! Thanks for making this thread :hug:

Alright so like speaking for my self, I usually lurk the site mainly and rarely post but most of the time I'm pretty disgusted with how so many here treat each other. The reason why I'm not more active though is cause I just don't feel comfortable sharing anything, let alone personal stuff like ever and its mostly due to the toxic behavior. I've seen so many female members pop up, only to disappear within the first few hundred posts and its like I can't blame them. Only reason I've stuck around over the years is cause this place is a good launch point to meet like minded individuals but I usually end up cultivating those connections off site. The political posts have gotten out of control and its just added to the degradation of the pub. And nowadays the fuck boys are being validated on the daily where it used to be the reverse and there weren't nearly as many now. Another point its taboo enough doing psychs, let alone posting about it and what not so its really no surprise. This isn't about having tough skin either or whatever, the pub in general is supposed to be an area where you can just chill and have decent convos but its far from that when you have mods participating in the fuckery and adding on to the problem. So ofc how can women feel alright posting here, when 99% of the time they're just criticized heavily and the environment in general is just shit posting with a heavy amount of childish trolling. 

I'm glad to see some form of discussion happening to get the ladies forum back up again. I was always for having it invite only to avoid what ended up happening. A mostly dead forum with guys posting their stupid concepts explaining how much they understand or dont understand women lmao. But back when it was first made so many guys complained and bitched about us having a little space to ourselves for the short time it was inv only, however its obvious if we want more of a sisterhood here then that's exactly what we need. Maybe one day we could plan an all gal gathering of psychonauts. There is more than enough of us for something like that to happen if all else.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23900536 - 12/06/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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When I worked at Chapman's I worked with mostly women around my age. It was nice because most of them were friendly but they would talk too much, gossip about the other ones and if one gets in a bitchy mood then eventually they all follow suit. The older women were like this too.



I wonder if anyone I know worked at Chapmans at the same time you did. I have family around that area.

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Female-dominated workplaces aren't always sunshine and roses either from what I hear. My wife works with mostly women and there is plenty of nastiness going around.




No that's why you can't have this conversation without talking about the balance.


If you put cats into a sack they're going to fight. If you put dogs into a crate they're going to fight. Especially when they are competing for meat. We are more advanced than animals but we are still animals and we do need each other. Whether for reproduction or not.




I agree with that 100%, IMO a mix is best. I just disagree with propping women up as saints. Men and women both have flaws, even if on average they tend to manifest in different ways.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
    #23900547 - 12/06/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hi Bunny, you're the best! Thanks for making this thread :hug:

Alright so like speaking for my self, I usually lurk the site mainly and rarely post but most of the time I'm pretty disgusted with how so many here treat each other. The reason why I'm not more active though is cause I just don't feel comfortable sharing anything, let alone personal stuff like ever and its mostly due to the toxic behavior. I've seen so many female members pop up, only to disappear within the first few hundred posts and its like I can't blame them. Only reason I've stuck around over the years is cause this place is a good launch point to meet like minded individuals but I usually end up cultivating those connections off site. The political posts have gotten out of control and its just added to the degradation of the pub. And nowadays the fuck boys are being validated on the daily where it used to be the reverse and there weren't nearly as many now. Another point its taboo enough doing psychs, let alone posting about it and what not so its really no surprise. This isn't about having tough skin either or whatever, the pub in general is supposed to be an area where you can just chill and have decent convos but its far from that when you have mods participating in the fuckery and adding on to the problem. So ofc how can women feel alright posting here, when 99% of the time they're just criticized heavily and the environment in general is just shit posting with a heavy amount of childish trolling. 

I'm glad to see some form of discussion happening to get the ladies forum back up again. I was always for having it invite only to avoid what ended up happening. A mostly dead forum with guys posting their stupid concepts explaining how much they understand or dont understand women lmao. But back when it was first made so many guys complained and bitched about us having a little space to ourselves for the short time it was inv only, however its obvious if we want more of a sisterhood here then that's exactly what we need. Maybe one day we could plan an all gal gathering of psychonauts. There is more than enough of us for something like that to happen if all else.






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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: yogabunny]
    #23900549 - 12/06/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If I tuck it can I come?


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #23900550 - 12/06/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Of course you wouldn't attempt to elucidate, because I would just make you look stupid.


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