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Chitihurrishrooms
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50/50 coco vs peat moss new thread
#23893549 - 12/04/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok here is a new thread on the same thread cause I got flamed.
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Chitihurrishrooms
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Wow this is a good thread. Plz don't respond telling me it's 11 years old. I'm bumping because this should be read by everyone on here. Been thinking a lot on these exact ideas and was going to do a similar experiment then find this in depth analysis of the exact ideas.
I'm birthing my next batch of grains to cvg and covering in a 1/4 inch layer of pure cvg. Will let colonize till 90% low fae high humidity and light 12/12. Casing with 50/50+ peat verm 1/2-5/8 inch at 90% colonized substrate. After one day will increase fae, introduce fruiting conditions. All this will be done in my Martha. Reason for 1/4 layer of cvg is to not have any exposed grains while colonizing the bulk cvg. At no point will I cover with tinfoil or anything just keep fae low in Martha. RR said something about that and I agree. I think casing late means by the time contams hit the casing layer will be further down the road of flushes. RR said something about the mycelium being very aggressive while colonizing the cvg so once casing is applied I feel fruiting the following day will be the best time. The bottom of casing while get colonized very quickly and having a juicy water reservoir for fruiting sounds ideal. The cvg thickness will be about 4 1/2 inches before casing.
I will use spitballs cvg tek to prepare cvg. Casing will be 50/50 peat verm add at 10% of peat calcium carbonate, 10% gypsum 5% crushed oyster shell. Fruiting incubating and casing will all have the same temperature since the substrate temp soars during colonizing I've noticed.
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
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are you growing cubes?? they dont need a casing layer. skip the step if ya want. i just mix up my bulk n grains and add a thin top layer and done. cvg only. just a mono tub. my last 2 tubs are fruiting at spawning.
try that instead. save time and effort.
4.5inch deep tray in a martha seems too deep. the few times i did a GH/marta i used thinner trays and got decent results. whats your current grow like? pics?
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Re: 50/50 coco vs peat moss new thread [Re: mushboy]
#23893586 - 12/04/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I cased straight grains with that same casing tek. I did some monos and some whole shelves i built from 2x6s and plywood lined with poly tuck taped at corners. I had a lot of contam due to not pasteurizing for long enough lost more than half of it. Have 6 monos left some are first flush some just finished 2nd flush. 3 monos are cvg cased with 50/50 peat verm just stating to pin. Lost almost all of the shelf that was laid out.
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Re: 50/50 coco vs peat moss new thread [Re: mushboy]
#23893608 - 12/04/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes cubes. From the research I've done on here and pics I've seen of flushes it seems to me a casing layer on cvg produces much better flushes and overall yield? Am i wrong? I don't mind the extra work and already have all the material. And 4 inches is a number I've gotten from reading cvg teks. The front of those shelves has a poly drop down and zip up at the sides to complete the Martha. I'm currently just starting to work with cvg. Done straight cased rye and did lots of pf tek years ago. From bringing together all the research I can on cvg this above strategy is what I've come up with
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thats a martha?
your RH is too low.. thats why the caps are all cracked like that. sometimes its genetic but i had that issue before and mixing my setup fixed it.
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Re: 50/50 coco vs peat moss new thread [Re: mushboy]
#23893633 - 12/04/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya that was from second flush. I was fucking around in there a lot dealing with the contam casing on the shelves. Rh was low during that second flush off that mono cause of amount of time the Martha was open. Here's a better pic to see my Martha lol. Guess it isn't really a mono just a tray on a shelf in a martha
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Re: 50/50 coco vs peat moss new thread [Re: mushboy]
#23893660 - 12/04/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Clearly I'm still a huge noob. Recently I've had some success and had successful grows years ago with pf tek. Went to bulk pretty quick still stumbling through contams and figuring everything out. Inside that Martha there's a cool mist 2 pond foggers and a small fan. I think I've finally got the environment worked out. I have a lot of time on my hands and a huge construction background
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i noticed the mold in the one pic. plus a screw.
soooo you are testing casing mixes?
im still unsure what your thread is about.. but you ask for suggestions..
id say do some monos away from the martha until you get it 100% (conditions and no trich)
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Re: 50/50 coco vs peat moss new thread [Re: mushboy]
#23893694 - 12/04/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The screw lol. I saw that too. The trich was from not psteurizing the casing properly. Some areas were pure trich right away other areas are still fine today. Like if a bag of casing was too thick didn't get pasteurized long enough that section was all trich. Scooped all that shit out some has survived because it wasn't random where it showed up. There was 3 shelves done like that. Ya I was asking for input on casing cvg. I just put my first cvg trays into fruiting other day and I think that's the way I want to go. Your saying don't case? I'm just trying to find what best yield will be.
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if the trich grew like that its your spawn. not the casing.
yields are effected by you spawn, bulk prep, and environment. not casing. not with cubes at least.
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Re: 50/50 coco vs peat moss new thread [Re: mushboy]
#23893972 - 12/04/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmmm alright so you said you just put a thin layer of cvg on top and that's it? What's exact steps if you don't mind. Like I think it would take something like 8 days to colonize through that all and then you put into fruit conditions? Do you still mist cvg as well etc
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I mostly case penis varietys, but I prefer a peat based casing like pasturized jiffy or BL's casing tek over CVG.
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Quote:
Chitihurrishrooms said: Hmmm alright so you said you just put a thin layer of cvg on top and that's it? What's exact steps if you don't mind. Like I think it would take something like 8 days to colonize through that all and then you put into fruit conditions? Do you still mist cvg as well etc
the only steps are i dump grains/cvg in my mono, setting some cvg aside. and then mixing up my shit. then cover with remaining cvg.
i would fruit when the myc would start to colonize the top layer a bit. like i said my current tubs are in fruiting now.
i mist it if it looks dry. its not a cake so its hard to say. all tubs are different for me at least.
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Re: 50/50 coco vs peat moss new thread [Re: mushboy]
#23894175 - 12/04/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Casing layers help the grower not the yield..remember the 10 percent is only with the peat not the verm.
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