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Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. * 5
    #23893509 - 12/04/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The "Big is beautiful" motto needs to be ridiculed out of existence ASAP.

It's time for Americans to take pride in themselves.

It's time to start eating differently.


I was in Texas recently and I'm afraid to say almost everyone there is

clinically obese but moreover I was horrified by the sheer number of  MORBIDLY

obese peeps.

Sugar addiction and poor eating habits IS the single most devastating health

crisis in the states.

The sugar addict is often plagued with depression and body issues.
 
I can think of nothing worse worse then dying the slow, painful, ugly, obesity

rending Death of the sugar addict.




 
    Heroin addiction results in a trim figure. Opiates are gentle on the body

and easy on the mind. If you don't believe me look up Dr records on Opiate use.

Longtime addicts show absolutely no mental deterioration. If an addict decides

to quit they are no worse for wear.

Yes, you can die of overdose, but it is often painless. Occasionally it may be

the best way to go.

Everytime I've had a loved one was dying the Dr simply pumped them full of

opiates to let them drift painlessly away.

But what did they  all die of?

They where all OBESE, lifelong sugar addicts, meat eaters, and eaters of

processed crap food in general. It's so easy to fall into the trap.

Most products in the grocery store are trash. Added sugar,added

preservatives..  CANCER LOVES SUGAR

In all honesty you would be better off eating Nothing but heroin and brown rice

rather then  that god awful garbage. and all this is nothing to say of the

animals that are tormented and drugged and in turn drug you, all for your

chewing satisfaction...


In the US we don't look down on sugar addiction for the simple reason

that everyone is doing it. We don't look down on farm  animal slavery and

torment cause everyones doing it. It's time to stop excluding, attacking and

vilifying Opiate and other drug addicts and start realizing that all the people

in this country that call themselves clean are already addicted to

something worse then heroin.  :beatadeadhorse:


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Love_spirit] * 3
    #23893513 - 12/04/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Love_spirit] * 9
    #23893517 - 12/04/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, junkies will say anything to justify their habit


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Love_spirit] * 5
    #23893525 - 12/04/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'd rather hang out with fat people over heroin junkies 100 out of 100 times.


I avoid foods with refined sugar, and I'd never do heroin, but this is a retarded comparison and I don't think i've ever heard of anyone getting shot or robbed because of candy.

I will never fully understand "sugar addiction", but I guess I will never fully understand heroin addiction either.


I guess I might have been considered to be a sugar addict when I was like 15 or something.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23893538 - 12/04/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You're illiterate.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23893546 - 12/04/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, more people suffer or die from sugar addiction than heroin by far.

Its easy to avoid a drug like heroin and sidestep the obvious danger.
Sugar is a benign poison, it inflitrates your life and slowly seeps in.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: California]
    #23893558 - 12/04/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Longtime addicts show absolutely no mental deterioration.




Does rotting in a grave count?


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23893567 - 12/04/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree, more people suffer or die from sugar addiction than heroin by far.

Its easy to avoid a drug like heroin and sidestep the obvious danger.
Sugar is a benign poison, it inflitrates your life and slowly seeps in.




If people consumed heroin the way we consume sugar, there would be millions of heroin related deaths a year


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: koods]
    #23893571 - 12/04/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
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Repertoire89 said:
I agree, more people suffer or die from sugar addiction than heroin by far.

Its easy to avoid a drug like heroin and sidestep the obvious danger.
Sugar is a benign poison, it inflitrates your life and slowly seeps in.




If people consumed heroin the way we consume sugar, there would be millions of heroin related deaths a year




Yeah, but we dont because the danger is obvious.
Sugar is the inflitrater, the sly rapist of health


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23893578 - 12/04/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Preach it lovespirit! Theres a documentary on netflix called Sugar Coated that you must all watch. The dangers of sugar are no joke! I went off sugar a while ago and recently had just a couple bites of ice cream and I had major brain freeze.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23893581 - 12/04/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Repertoire89 said:
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koods said:
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Repertoire89 said:
I agree, more people suffer or die from sugar addiction than heroin by far.

Its easy to avoid a drug like heroin and sidestep the obvious danger.
Sugar is a benign poison, it inflitrates your life and slowly seeps in.




If people consumed heroin the way we consume sugar, there would be millions of heroin related deaths a year




Yeah, but we dont because the danger is obvious.
Sugar is the inflitrater, the sly rapist of health




ya, but heroin is still objectively more dangerous, hence why so few people are stupid enough to take it


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23893582 - 12/04/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Refined sugar is bad for you, yes. That's about the only thing you got right in that post. Meat isn't "bad" for you, but some people handle it better than others and it depends on what kind of meat we're talking about. I wouldn't compare sugar addiction to heroin addiction because they're both awful in their own rights. I completely disagree that heroin addiction causes no mental deterioration. Have you met many heroin addicts? Their personalities can do a complete 180, along with their morals.


Anyway, I pretty much never eat sugary foods anymore. I allow myself one day a week to do it, but I skip that day most of the time anyway. Feels a lot better.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23893601 - 12/04/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's not really about being stupid enough to take it or not. I've done lots of heroin over time, for a casual use at least. It's pretty damn simple to not get addicted. It's just hard to stop once you're already addicted.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23893604 - 12/04/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ezuma said:
ya, but heroin is still objectively more dangerous, hence why so few people are stupid enough to take it




More people suffer from sugar, more people die from it, and it is still far more appealing.

Id say sugar is far more dangerous, its a epidemic public health disaster with few historical rivals.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: koods]
    #23893620 - 12/04/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
Wow, junkies will say anything to justify their habit



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You're illiterate.



:whathesaid:
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Longtime addicts show absolutely no mental deterioration.




Does rotting in a grave count?



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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Love_spirit] * 1
    #23893626 - 12/04/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    Heroin addiction results in a trim figure. Opiates are gentle on the body

and easy on the mind.





so you claim that heroin is a healthful choice

this guy looks super healthy




this man that we're all familiar with is clinically obese



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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893635 - 12/04/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Arnolds like 8%bf there, I probably have as much fat now as he does there


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23893655 - 12/04/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What OP is saying makes perfect sense to me. I am not trying to say that if we replaced sugar with opiates and treated them the same as we treat sugar that it would be good. Im not saying we should all do opiates. Im saying they are less damaging.

But sugar causes many health problems which accumulate over time that opiates do not cause.

Sugar can cause cancer, obesity, diabetes, hi high cholesterol, dependence and it can harm your liver.

Opiates cause dependence and constipation basically. And overdose but what doesnt cause overdose at a high enough dose.

Also in those pictures they are shooting up. We eat sugar. You should not compare IV opiates to oral sugar. Not to mention we dont know what they are shooting.

Also our junk food is not illicitly produced or cut with various active and inactive substances to increase profit.

When i see morbidly obese people eating junk food and not exercising at all it makes me so sad. They just give up on being healthy.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23893664 - 12/04/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Might be misreading your comment, but you do know that they take weight and height in mind when deciding if someone's clinically obese or not right? He would be considered obese, but obviously better off than someone at his weight who has their mass being mostly fat. Bein extremely muscular isn't really all that healthy either, Arnold is in much better shape right there though than the monstrous freaks in bodybuilding today, those guys need so much oxygen pumped through their bodies at all times that they can hardly have a conversation without getting winded lol.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893676 - 12/04/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You are probably not going to die from obesity at 27 like a heroin user.  Unless you are diabetic.

I never buy a bag of sugar.  I had one years ago for coco wheats.  Don't eat coco wheats anymore so no need for sugar.  I do have some honey.

The thing about meat is it's not bad for you.  Grain fed beef shouldn't be the main course all the time.  I almost always eat goat, or fish or chicken.  Rarely pork or beef is for dinner.

People are afraid to count calories.  It's just as easy to get too many calories from flour as it is sugar or butter.  There are something like 4 calories per gram for the high energy refined pure calorie carrying additives for cooking like oil and the like.

I never bake and count calories and I don't use heroin or opiates.  I do count calories and that will never offset much the smoking or drinking.  But I count my alcohol calories and stay under 180lbs.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23893691 - 12/04/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Arnolds like 8%bf there, I probably have as much fat now as he does there




clinically obesity is based on a height/weight ratio that doesnt take into account
the actual body fat, refer to the nearest BMI calculator to learn more


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893710 - 12/04/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What OP is saying makes perfect sense to me. I am not trying to say that if we replaced sugar with opiates and treated them the same as we treat sugar that it would be good. Im not saying we should all do opiates. Im saying they are less damaging.

But sugar causes many health problems which accumulate over time that opiates do not cause.

Sugar can cause cancer, obesity, diabetes, hi high cholesterol, dependence and it can harm your liver.

Opiates cause dependence and constipation basically.





so opiates are harmless

did you know that without sugars you will die


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893724 - 12/04/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We're talking about refined sugars here though. But still, if you don't eat sugars your body is still gonna produce ketones at some point. Depending on certain factors, ketones can be more beneficial anyway.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893727 - 12/04/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What OP is saying makes perfect sense to me. I am not trying to say that if we replaced sugar with opiates and treated them the same as we treat sugar that it would be good. Im not saying we should all do opiates. Im saying they are less damaging.

But sugar causes many health problems which accumulate over time that opiates do not cause.

Sugar can cause cancer, obesity, diabetes, hi high cholesterol, dependence and it can harm your liver.

Opiates cause dependence and constipation basically.





so opiates are harmless

did you know that without sugars you will die



Read the title of the thread.

Also im not saying using opiates is more worth it than sugar im saying sugar is without a doubt more damaging. That doesnt mean that junk food isnt worth the risk and opiates are. It simpley means sugar is more damaging.

Nobody is arguing that widespread opiate addiction would be good. We are stating the fact that an opiate habbit is more physically benign than a refined sugar habbit.

As soon as someone says heroin isnt the worst thing in the world you assume hes ok with opiate addiction and thinks everyone should use opiates. Dont be so biased.

We are not talking about politics here we are talking about science. Have an open mind.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893741 - 12/04/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So im not saying using opiates is more worth it than sugar im saying sugar is without a doubt more damaging.




what you're doing is talk out your ass


you use the heroin, I'll use the sugar, we'll see who's health suffers more


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #23893754 - 12/04/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Body fat and body mass index are used to calculate obesity.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893766 - 12/04/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So im not saying using opiates is more worth it than sugar im saying sugar is without a doubt more damaging.




what you're doing is talk out your ass


you use the heroin, I'll use the sugar, we'll see who's health suffers more



Ive never done heroin.

Again im not saying opiates are good and im not saying sugar is bad. Im saying they cause less harm to people's health than junk food. That is a fact.

If you took 100% diacetylmorphine orally everyday you would not get the negitive health effect as somone addicted to refined sugar. 


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893786 - 12/04/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So im not saying using opiates is more worth it than sugar im saying sugar is without a doubt more damaging.




what you're doing is talk out your ass


you use the heroin, I'll use the sugar, we'll see who's health suffers more



Ive never done heroin.





so that must mean you're an expert

my father was a junkie and unlike the claims in the OP, he was morbidly obese. he
bragged about dying 4 times due to overdoses. do you think this sort of thing isnt
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893803 - 12/04/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
So im not saying using opiates is more worth it than sugar im saying sugar is without a doubt more damaging.




what you're doing is talk out your ass


you use the heroin, I'll use the sugar, we'll see who's health suffers more



Ive never done heroin.





so that must mean you're an expert

my father was a junkie and unlike the claims in the OP, he was morbidly obese. he
bragged about dying 4 times due to overdoses. do you think this sort of thing isnt
damaging?



Thats overdose. Im talking about long term health effects.

And im telling you i havent done heroin because you seem to think im arguing for heroin. I know that opiates sre addictive and i use them only occasionally (besides kratom but that doesnt contain acctual opiates.  and only orally because i undederstand what could happen. There is a serious risk of addiction. I understand that and i dont take it lightly.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893815 - 12/04/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Moderation is key with both if you incoperate them in your life.
Rum&coke with a wedge of lime is my sugary drug of choice.
Obesity is definitely an issue though.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23893823 - 12/04/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If I want somethin sweet I'll just use stevia or xylitol. Pretty much 0 impact on blood sugar but you can still make some really good food or drinks with them.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Eminence]
    #23893838 - 12/04/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fermented sugar is more harmful than sugar, but it's still better :thatsayes:


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893840 - 12/04/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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you use the heroin, I'll use the sugar, we'll see who's health suffers more



Ive never done heroin.





so that must mean you're an expert

my father was a junkie and unlike the claims in the OP, he was morbidly obese. he
bragged about dying 4 times due to overdoses. do you think this sort of thing isnt
damaging?



Thats overdose. Im talking about long term health effects.





tell us about the long term effects of heroin addiction?

are you aware that those overdoses are also a part of the long term effects,
clearly not because you and many others would like to try and set your
preference into one very tiny subset while rating the drug you rail against
into a much broader category


if refined sugars are used in moderation they are less harmful than heroin


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    #23893853 - 12/04/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893860 - 12/04/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If heroin is used in moderation it is less harmful that refined sugar.  Sugar probably causes more deaths, alongside tobacco and fermented sugar.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23893877 - 12/04/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Fermented sugar is more harmful than sugar, but it's still better :thatsayes:




edit: nvm, misunderstood post.

Not all fermented sugars are the same though, some are less harmful than sugar, I'm sure you were talking about ethanol when you mentioned deaths from fermented sugars, that comes from glucose and fructose. There's also apparently some health benefits in drinking alcohol occasionally.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23893925 - 12/04/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sugar probably causes more deaths.




Of course it does. Almost everyone uses it on a somewhat regular basis, unlike heroin.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893937 - 12/04/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I said im talking about using both orally, both everyday and both in the purest form. Ofcourse sugar in moderation is better than heroin everyday. And heroin addiction Can easily be much, much worse than suagr addiction in terms of impact on your life but it wont cause as many negitive long term PHYSICAL side effects.  Thats all im saying.

Im done arguing with you. You dont seem to understand the point im trying to make.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893948 - 12/04/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Doubt anyone is shooting refined heroin most of the time.  There is a reason why it is called junk.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23893956 - 12/04/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

ALRIGHT.

Let's put this to rest...no stalling.
which is worse?
You may choose 2


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: shadyy]
    #23893964 - 12/04/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Doubt anyone is shooting refined heroin most of the time.  There is a reason why it is called junk.



Yes but we need to put opiates on a level playing feild with sugar. Thats why both orally and both pure because sugar is either food grade or natural.

Im not saying IV street heroin is better than oral food grade refined sugar. God no. I said that already.

Im saying an addiction to the group of compounds known as opiates are less damaging than an addiction to refined sugarm


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: shadyy]
    #23893966 - 12/04/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That poll can't really be accurate, there are certain variables that need to be mentioned. I only put sugar because as of right now, more people are experiencing the negative effects of sugar than they are with heroin. :shrug:


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: shadyy]
    #23893985 - 12/04/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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i hate liz said:
ALRIGHT.

Let's put this to rest...no stalling.



There are soooo many variables. The model i have in my mind resembles a scientific study because i am talking about using  pure substances with the same ROA.

Some people here think heroin is worse than sugar because mainlining 20% heroin or research chemicals bought from some toothless feind is worse than eating food grade sugar.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893989 - 12/04/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

NOPE. TAKE THE POLL AND ACCEPT THE RESULTS.

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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: shadyy]
    #23893996 - 12/04/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23894003 - 12/04/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

People already know the dangers of this shit, though.

I guess this is just to heighten awareness, but still. People harm themselves every day for a reward.

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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: shadyy]
    #23894236 - 12/04/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The whole point people make about opiate use being benign and not physically damaging is very debatable. For starters, opiates are really hard on the kidneys and can cause renal failure (it's the reason you always have such a hard time peeing when you first start the junk).

Not only that, but it seriously damages your hypothalamus, which is the reason junkies always have a hard time feeling hot or cold and regulating body temperature properly.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23894250 - 12/04/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

They're not hard on the kidneys compared to other drugs, and that is not why it is hard to urinate.

They are extremely hazardous though, in ways that will make health concerns seem trivial.  They will sap every ounce of joy and satisfaction out of life, which is the worst thing a drug can do IMO.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Eminence]
    #23894700 - 12/04/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Might be misreading your comment, but you do know that they take weight and height in mind when deciding if someone's clinically obese or not right? He would be considered obese, but obviously better off than someone at his weight who has their mass being mostly fat. Bein extremely muscular isn't really all that healthy either, Arnold is in much better shape right there though than the monstrous freaks in bodybuilding today, those guys need so much oxygen pumped through their bodies at all times that they can hardly have a conversation without getting winded lol.




Calling Arnold in his prime obese is absurd, mine as well say cars were originally made out of banana peels.

Modern bodybuilding is often a freakshow, we definitrly agree on that lol.
Even the lower weight classes, people often just look weird as fuck with too little bodyfat.

Aesthetics was once the name of the game, Arnold won because he looked like a god.
You still see that in some competitions though, especially strictly natutal competitions


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23894728 - 12/04/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Body fat and body mass index are used to calculate obesity.





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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23894759 - 12/04/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If heroin is used in moderation it is less harmful that refined sugar.  Sugar probably causes more deaths, alongside tobacco and fermented sugar.





looking at raw numbers, sure but there's probably 100,000 times more people that eat
sugar than use heroin. if you look at the number of heroin related deaths per the
number of heroin users to the number of sugar related deaths per the number of sugar
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    #23894785 - 12/04/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

BMI is a quick rule of thumb. Its not meant to be a highly scientific end-all measurement.


Oh, you are 240 and 5'6"? Hmm that seems high? Oh but you bench press 450lbs? You are probably not fat.


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    #23894798 - 12/04/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I read "the younger, thinner you diet" by Dr. E Braverman following a mentor's recommendation.

Basically, high fructose corn syrup is worse then heroine and cocaine combined. That chit literally trashes your body, spikes cancer, ages the fuck out of you, and ruins vital organs.

Biggest takeaway from the book; you are not as old as your age. You are as old as the oldest organ in your body. /thread


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23894830 - 12/04/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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They're not hard on the kidneys compared to other drugs, and that is not why it is hard to urinate.

They are extremely hazardous though, in ways that will make health concerns seem trivial.  They will sap every ounce of joy and satisfaction out of life, which is the worst thing a drug can do IMO.



She may be talking about prescription painkillers which contain acetaminophen. Those can cause very bad liver and kidney damage if you se them regularly at high doses and dont do a CWE. Thats not the opiates causing the damage though.


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    #23894836 - 12/04/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I read "the younger, thinner you diet" by Dr. E Braverman following a mentor's recommendation.

Basically, high fructose corn syrup is worse then heroine and cocaine combined. That chit literally trashes your body, spikes cancer, ages the fuck out of you, and ruins vital organs.

Biggest takeaway from the book; you are not as old as your age. You are as old as the oldest organ in your body. /thread



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    #23894840 - 12/04/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not calling him obese though, those BMI calculators that doctors use are. It's pretty stupid.

Also, there's no such thing as natural bodybuilding shows lol. They're all taking some kind of drug even if it's not steroids.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: finalexplosion]
    #23894856 - 12/04/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I read "the younger, thinner you diet" by Dr. E Braverman following a mentor's recommendation.

Basically, high fructose corn syrup is worse then heroine and cocaine combined. That chit literally trashes your body, spikes cancer, ages the fuck out of you, and ruins vital organs.

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    #23894860 - 12/04/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Bodyfat is a primary consideration for obesity, not just weight vs height

There are a lot of competitions which test rigorously, maybe people slip through the cracks but you can often tell theyre not juicing by looking at them.
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    #23894886 - 12/04/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Bodyfat is a primary consideration for obesity, not just weight vs height





BMI calculators dont take muscle into account, if you weigh over a certain weight
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    #23894888 - 12/04/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not calling him obese though, those BMI calculators that doctors use are. It's pretty stupid.



Yeah it is a pretty goofy system to use directly in diagnosis. The idea that the square of your height is directly proportional to what weight you should be is from 1800s medicine.


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Bodyfat is a primary consideration for obesity, not just weight vs height

There are a lot of competitions which test rigorously, maybe people slip through the cracks but you can often tell theyre not juicing by looking at them.
Id pull up some pics but its a hassle to do stuff likr that on my phone




I know. That's why I said those calculators are stupid. Also, bodybuilders use much more than just steroids. Insulin, SARMs and peptides don't show up in their drug tests.


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    #23895224 - 12/04/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I know they do all kinds of things, I also think its funnysad that people fuck with their health just to look weird


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23895248 - 12/04/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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They're not hard on the kidneys compared to other drugs, and that is not why it is hard to urinate.

They are extremely hazardous though, in ways that will make health concerns seem trivial.  They will sap every ounce of joy and satisfaction out of life, which is the worst thing a drug can do IMO.



She may be talking about prescription painkillers which contain acetaminophen. Those can cause very bad liver and kidney damage if you se them regularly at high doses and dont do a CWE. Thats not the opiates causing the damage though.




No, I'm not talking about the painkillers. The painkiller prescriptions are even worse for you though, because of the liver toxicity like you mentioned. But opiates themselves are hard on the kidneys. It causes you to excrete excess protein in your kidneys, which is what can cause renal failure.

That is the heroin itself that does that, not the fillers, not the APAP, or anything else. Heroin specifically and anything made from morphine specifically is what causes this. Because of this, it's recommended that morphine is avoided in dialysis patients, and instead they give oxycodone or hydromorphone instead.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Eminence]
    #23895267 - 12/04/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So we're only talking about if someone takes 100 percent pure heroin orally only at reasonable dosage? So we're talking about a fantasy land then? Because that does not happen anywhere in the world ever. Why not talk about the average heroin user vs. the average sugar user?

Your argument about long term effects is bullshit because with heroin there won't we any long term side effects because you'll be fucking dead.


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    #23895331 - 12/04/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Not only that, but people who are heavy users frequently fall asleep and develop restricted breathing and sleep apnea. Even if they don't overdose and die, they are still getting a lack of supply of oxygen to the brain, which over long periods of time chronically leads to brain damage which could be permanent.

Haven't you ever noticed that you feel tired and sluggish like your brain doesn't work for a long time even after quitting heroin?

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    #23895756 - 12/05/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If heroin is used in moderation it is less harmful that refined sugar.  Sugar probably causes more deaths, alongside tobacco and fermented sugar.





looking at raw numbers, sure but there's probably 100,000 times more people that eat
sugar than use heroin. if you look at the number of heroin related deaths per the
number of heroin users to the number of sugar related deaths per the number of sugar
users, I think you'll come to a different conclusion




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    #23895797 - 12/05/16 02:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Opioids can also have significant effects on the endocrine system, though temporary and recovery is expected with abstinence, I've heard of a few stories where they've caused permanent changes.


Effects of heroin on thyroid function, cortisol and testosterone level in addicts.

The effect of opium addiction on thyroid function tests

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Sure, opioids are physically benign compared to meth or alcohol but a dysfunctional endocrine system can cause many problems long term.


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    #23895809 - 12/05/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, definitely affects endocrine and hormone levels... opiates are a known androgen suppressor. It's a huge reason that so many people lose their sex drives completely on the stuff, and get so horny off it.


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    #23896929 - 12/05/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Opiates give me a wicked sweet tooth too, so it is a double whammy in the end.


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    #23896936 - 12/05/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Opiates give me a wicked sweet tooth too, so it is a double whammy in the end.



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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23897163 - 12/05/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Opiates give me a wicked sweet tooth too, so it is a double whammy in the end.




Right? I don't know about heroin, but some of the others make me crave Air Head type candy. Chewy and flavorful as fuck.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: shadyy]
    #23897194 - 12/05/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah it's crazy to me since I quit I can keep a bag of candy for weeks, and just eat a piece here and there, but my liquor thirst has gone through the roof.


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    #23897228 - 12/05/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #23897234 - 12/05/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I just pour it all over myself.



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I shoot straight sugar.



now shoot some heroin, compare them and we will have an answer


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