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Eminence



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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Repertoire89]
#23895052 - 12/04/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: Bodyfat is a primary consideration for obesity, not just weight vs height
There are a lot of competitions which test rigorously, maybe people slip through the cracks but you can often tell theyre not juicing by looking at them. Id pull up some pics but its a hassle to do stuff likr that on my phone
I know. That's why I said those calculators are stupid. Also, bodybuilders use much more than just steroids. Insulin, SARMs and peptides don't show up in their drug tests.
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Eminence]
#23895224 - 12/04/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know they do all kinds of things, I also think its funnysad that people fuck with their health just to look weird
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23895248 - 12/04/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: They're not hard on the kidneys compared to other drugs, and that is not why it is hard to urinate.
They are extremely hazardous though, in ways that will make health concerns seem trivial. They will sap every ounce of joy and satisfaction out of life, which is the worst thing a drug can do IMO.
She may be talking about prescription painkillers which contain acetaminophen. Those can cause very bad liver and kidney damage if you se them regularly at high doses and dont do a CWE. Thats not the opiates causing the damage though.
No, I'm not talking about the painkillers. The painkiller prescriptions are even worse for you though, because of the liver toxicity like you mentioned. But opiates themselves are hard on the kidneys. It causes you to excrete excess protein in your kidneys, which is what can cause renal failure.
That is the heroin itself that does that, not the fillers, not the APAP, or anything else. Heroin specifically and anything made from morphine specifically is what causes this. Because of this, it's recommended that morphine is avoided in dialysis patients, and instead they give oxycodone or hydromorphone instead.
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Eminence]
#23895267 - 12/04/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So we're only talking about if someone takes 100 percent pure heroin orally only at reasonable dosage? So we're talking about a fantasy land then? Because that does not happen anywhere in the world ever. Why not talk about the average heroin user vs. the average sugar user?
Your argument about long term effects is bullshit because with heroin there won't we any long term side effects because you'll be fucking dead.
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: searching] 1
#23895331 - 12/04/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not only that, but people who are heavy users frequently fall asleep and develop restricted breathing and sleep apnea. Even if they don't overdose and die, they are still getting a lack of supply of oxygen to the brain, which over long periods of time chronically leads to brain damage which could be permanent.
Haven't you ever noticed that you feel tired and sluggish like your brain doesn't work for a long time even after quitting heroin?
Anybody who thinks it doesn't cause any harm whatsoever is in denial.
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23895756 - 12/05/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: If heroin is used in moderation it is less harmful that refined sugar. Sugar probably causes more deaths, alongside tobacco and fermented sugar.
looking at raw numbers, sure but there's probably 100,000 times more people that eat sugar than use heroin. if you look at the number of heroin related deaths per the number of heroin users to the number of sugar related deaths per the number of sugar users, I think you'll come to a different conclusion
Whatever we will see what happens when I release my heroin flavored breakfast cereal for kids.
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23895797 - 12/05/16 02:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Opioids can also have significant effects on the endocrine system, though temporary and recovery is expected with abstinence, I've heard of a few stories where they've caused permanent changes.
Effects of heroin on thyroid function, cortisol and testosterone level in addicts.
The effect of opium addiction on thyroid function tests
Opioid induced hypogonadism
Sure, opioids are physically benign compared to meth or alcohol but a dysfunctional endocrine system can cause many problems long term.
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: daz01]
#23895809 - 12/05/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, definitely affects endocrine and hormone levels... opiates are a known androgen suppressor. It's a huge reason that so many people lose their sex drives completely on the stuff, and get so horny off it.
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moonrockmushy
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Crystal G]
#23896929 - 12/05/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Opiates give me a wicked sweet tooth too, so it is a double whammy in the end.
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23896936 - 12/05/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Opiates give me a wicked sweet tooth too, so it is a double whammy in the end.
Oh no they're working together! We're all doomed
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23897163 - 12/05/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Opiates give me a wicked sweet tooth too, so it is a double whammy in the end.
Right? I don't know about heroin, but some of the others make me crave Air Head type candy. Chewy and flavorful as fuck.
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: shadyy]
#23897194 - 12/05/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah it's crazy to me since I quit I can keep a bag of candy for weeks, and just eat a piece here and there, but my liquor thirst has gone through the roof.
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Patlal
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23897228 - 12/05/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I shoot straight sugar.
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Patlal]
#23897234 - 12/05/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just pour it all over myself.
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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Patlal]
#23897235 - 12/05/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: I shoot straight sugar.
now shoot some heroin, compare them and we will have an answer
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