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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23893691 - 12/04/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Arnolds like 8%bf there, I probably have as much fat now as he does there




clinically obesity is based on a height/weight ratio that doesnt take into account
the actual body fat, refer to the nearest BMI calculator to learn more


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893710 - 12/04/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What OP is saying makes perfect sense to me. I am not trying to say that if we replaced sugar with opiates and treated them the same as we treat sugar that it would be good. Im not saying we should all do opiates. Im saying they are less damaging.

But sugar causes many health problems which accumulate over time that opiates do not cause.

Sugar can cause cancer, obesity, diabetes, hi high cholesterol, dependence and it can harm your liver.

Opiates cause dependence and constipation basically.





so opiates are harmless

did you know that without sugars you will die


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893724 - 12/04/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We're talking about refined sugars here though. But still, if you don't eat sugars your body is still gonna produce ketones at some point. Depending on certain factors, ketones can be more beneficial anyway.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893727 - 12/04/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What OP is saying makes perfect sense to me. I am not trying to say that if we replaced sugar with opiates and treated them the same as we treat sugar that it would be good. Im not saying we should all do opiates. Im saying they are less damaging.

But sugar causes many health problems which accumulate over time that opiates do not cause.

Sugar can cause cancer, obesity, diabetes, hi high cholesterol, dependence and it can harm your liver.

Opiates cause dependence and constipation basically.





so opiates are harmless

did you know that without sugars you will die



Read the title of the thread.

Also im not saying using opiates is more worth it than sugar im saying sugar is without a doubt more damaging. That doesnt mean that junk food isnt worth the risk and opiates are. It simpley means sugar is more damaging.

Nobody is arguing that widespread opiate addiction would be good. We are stating the fact that an opiate habbit is more physically benign than a refined sugar habbit.

As soon as someone says heroin isnt the worst thing in the world you assume hes ok with opiate addiction and thinks everyone should use opiates. Dont be so biased.

We are not talking about politics here we are talking about science. Have an open mind.


Edited by BANANA.MAN (12/04/16 12:39 PM)


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893741 - 12/04/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So im not saying using opiates is more worth it than sugar im saying sugar is without a doubt more damaging.




what you're doing is talk out your ass


you use the heroin, I'll use the sugar, we'll see who's health suffers more


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #23893754 - 12/04/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Body fat and body mass index are used to calculate obesity.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893766 - 12/04/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So im not saying using opiates is more worth it than sugar im saying sugar is without a doubt more damaging.




what you're doing is talk out your ass


you use the heroin, I'll use the sugar, we'll see who's health suffers more



Ive never done heroin.

Again im not saying opiates are good and im not saying sugar is bad. Im saying they cause less harm to people's health than junk food. That is a fact.

If you took 100% diacetylmorphine orally everyday you would not get the negitive health effect as somone addicted to refined sugar. 


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893786 - 12/04/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So im not saying using opiates is more worth it than sugar im saying sugar is without a doubt more damaging.




what you're doing is talk out your ass


you use the heroin, I'll use the sugar, we'll see who's health suffers more



Ive never done heroin.





so that must mean you're an expert

my father was a junkie and unlike the claims in the OP, he was morbidly obese. he
bragged about dying 4 times due to overdoses. do you think this sort of thing isnt
damaging?


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893803 - 12/04/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
So im not saying using opiates is more worth it than sugar im saying sugar is without a doubt more damaging.




what you're doing is talk out your ass


you use the heroin, I'll use the sugar, we'll see who's health suffers more



Ive never done heroin.





so that must mean you're an expert

my father was a junkie and unlike the claims in the OP, he was morbidly obese. he
bragged about dying 4 times due to overdoses. do you think this sort of thing isnt
damaging?



Thats overdose. Im talking about long term health effects.

And im telling you i havent done heroin because you seem to think im arguing for heroin. I know that opiates sre addictive and i use them only occasionally (besides kratom but that doesnt contain acctual opiates.  and only orally because i undederstand what could happen. There is a serious risk of addiction. I understand that and i dont take it lightly.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893815 - 12/04/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Moderation is key with both if you incoperate them in your life.
Rum&coke with a wedge of lime is my sugary drug of choice.
Obesity is definitely an issue though.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23893823 - 12/04/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If I want somethin sweet I'll just use stevia or xylitol. Pretty much 0 impact on blood sugar but you can still make some really good food or drinks with them.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Eminence]
    #23893838 - 12/04/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fermented sugar is more harmful than sugar, but it's still better :thatsayes:


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893840 - 12/04/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
you use the heroin, I'll use the sugar, we'll see who's health suffers more



Ive never done heroin.





so that must mean you're an expert

my father was a junkie and unlike the claims in the OP, he was morbidly obese. he
bragged about dying 4 times due to overdoses. do you think this sort of thing isnt
damaging?



Thats overdose. Im talking about long term health effects.





tell us about the long term effects of heroin addiction?

are you aware that those overdoses are also a part of the long term effects,
clearly not because you and many others would like to try and set your
preference into one very tiny subset while rating the drug you rail against
into a much broader category


if refined sugars are used in moderation they are less harmful than heroin


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Eminence] * 3
    #23893853 - 12/04/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



You ever suck dick for candy?


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893860 - 12/04/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If heroin is used in moderation it is less harmful that refined sugar.  Sugar probably causes more deaths, alongside tobacco and fermented sugar.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23893877 - 12/04/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Fermented sugar is more harmful than sugar, but it's still better :thatsayes:




edit: nvm, misunderstood post.

Not all fermented sugars are the same though, some are less harmful than sugar, I'm sure you were talking about ethanol when you mentioned deaths from fermented sugars, that comes from glucose and fructose. There's also apparently some health benefits in drinking alcohol occasionally.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23893925 - 12/04/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sugar probably causes more deaths.




Of course it does. Almost everyone uses it on a somewhat regular basis, unlike heroin.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893937 - 12/04/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I said im talking about using both orally, both everyday and both in the purest form. Ofcourse sugar in moderation is better than heroin everyday. And heroin addiction Can easily be much, much worse than suagr addiction in terms of impact on your life but it wont cause as many negitive long term PHYSICAL side effects.  Thats all im saying.

Im done arguing with you. You dont seem to understand the point im trying to make.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23893948 - 12/04/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Doubt anyone is shooting refined heroin most of the time.  There is a reason why it is called junk.


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Re: Refined sugar is more harmful the heroin. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23893956 - 12/04/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

ALRIGHT.

Let's put this to rest...no stalling.
which is worse?
You may choose 2


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