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The Power Structure as it Stands 1
#23892610 - 12/04/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Heirarchy of Power as it stands Globally 2017 Banks Armies Media Government Workers Non-Workers
Would you agree?
In essence Greed is the ruling human emotion for most cultures, followed by violence and then control, then political discourse, then slavery and non participants.
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: nice1returns] 1
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: nice1returns]
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People with wealth Corrupt governments Media Real government Army Workers Non workers
That used to be the power structure. With trump in office, the power structure is going to look more like
Real government Wealthy people Army Workers Corrupt government Media Non workers
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: Webster10] 2
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If Trump just ends up being more of the same are you going to KYS or just go on living in denial?
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: Webster10] 3
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The only way he could "bring back jobs" would to be enforcing Hitler-ish control over the free market, or by eliminating workers rights to the extent that we become a third world country. That's just our modern reality. We don't want those jobs. We want skilled, specialized, educated workers in new, more environmentally sound industries.
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Or he could propose a tariff and offer financial incentives for staying or coming back. Strong arming the company executives publicly also works, I think it's funny, I think it's great, I think it's effective and I support it.
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: Webster10] 5
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Real government Wealthy people Media Army Workers Non workers
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
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Nah, Trump is draining the swamp of all of the corrupt people. The soros backed and Hillary lead shadow government lost the election to the people of America.
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moonrockmushy said: The only way he could "bring back jobs" would to be enforcing Hitler-ish control over the free market, or by eliminating workers rights to the extent that we become a third world country.
Is that what happened with carrier?
The first step is to stop the bleeding
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We don't want those jobs.
Speak for your self,
not everyone should be forced to go to college just to earn a decent living
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We want skilled, specialized, educated workers
We can take those jobs as well
Did you know that right now the fastest growing jobs in America right now are entry level?
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more environmentally sound industries
Are we all gonnna build wind turbines now?
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: nice1returns]
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nice1returns said: The Heirarchy of Power as it stands Globally 2017 Banks Armies Media Government Workers Non-Workers
Would you agree?
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moonrockmushy said: The only way he could "bring back jobs" would to be enforcing Hitler-ish control over the free market, or by eliminating workers rights to the extent that we become a third world country.
Is that what happened with carrier?
The first step is to stop the bleeding
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We don't want those jobs.
Speak for your self,
not everyone should be forced to go to college just to earn a decent living
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We want skilled, specialized, educated workers
We can take those jobs as well
Did you know that right now the fastest growing jobs in America right now are entry level?
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more environmentally sound industries
Are we all gonnna build wind turbines now?
1000 Jobs? Really?
I am speaking for myself, and the people I work with. Nobody wants to work like Chinese do which is degrading, dangerous, and grossly underpaid.
Of course the fastest growing jobs are entry level. When has that ever not been true?
Wind, solar, nuclear, automation. That is where the future lies, if we're to have one.
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moonrockmushy said: The only way he could "bring back jobs" would to be enforcing Hitler-ish control over the free market, or by eliminating workers rights to the extent that we become a third world country. That's just our modern reality.
false
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We don't want those jobs. We want skilled, specialized, educated workers in new, more environmentally sound industries.
really... and where did you get this information?
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23893568 - 12/04/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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true
I have inside sources
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moonrockmushy said: 1000 Jobs? Really?
it has to start somewhere, 1000 jobs saved is 1000 people that collect a paycheck, arent on unemployment, keep their homes, pay their bills and fed their kids
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I am speaking for myself, and the people I work with. Nobody wants to work like Chinese do which is degrading, dangerous, and grossly underpaid.
how can you say you speak for yourself when here you are speaking for others when you said 'nobody wants'. the rest of your claim is just nonsense because there are labor laws in the US
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Of course the fastest growing jobs are entry level. When has that ever not been true?
so you want people that are skilled tradesmen or well educated to work entry level jobs
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Wind, solar, nuclear, automation. That is where the future lies, if we're to have one.
how long in the future? let's say that we put in 1000 new wind farms, 1000 new solar farms and 100 new nuclear power plants, then what? the construction requires the most man power and at the current labor market levels those construction workers will be predominantly illegals, once the construction is complete nuclear power will require a much smaller number of highly specialized people that can retain a job, the construction workers will be gone, same with wind and solar only those will require fewer employees to monitor and maintain the systems so you're talking about 'creating' 10,000 temporary jobs but only making a couple of thousand permanent jobs. werent you just talking about how the 1000 jobs at carrier was a pitiful number
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I have inside sources
please, explain how your statement is true
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23893615 - 12/04/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a signed letter from Donald Trump saying that he sucks and hates workers, but I can't share it here because it would disrupt the delicate balance of things.
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: Prisoner#1]
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moonrockmushy said: 1000 Jobs? Really?
it has to start somewhere, 1000 jobs saved is 1000 people that collect a paycheck, arent on unemployment, keep their homes, pay their bills and fed their kids
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I am speaking for myself, and the people I work with. Nobody wants to work like Chinese do which is degrading, dangerous, and grossly underpaid.
how can you say you speak for yourself when here you are speaking for others when you said 'nobody wants'. the rest of your claim is just nonsense because there are labor laws in the US
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Of course the fastest growing jobs are entry level. When has that ever not been true?
so you want people that are skilled tradesmen or well educated to work entry level jobs
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Wind, solar, nuclear, automation. That is where the future lies, if we're to have one.
how long in the future? let's say that we put in 1000 new wind farms, 1000 new solar farms and 100 new nuclear power plants, then what? the construction requires the most man power and at the current labor market levels those construction workers will be predominantly illegals, once the construction is complete nuclear power will require a much smaller number of highly specialized people that can retain a job, the construction workers will be gone, same with wind and solar only those will require fewer employees to monitor and maintain the systems so you're talking about 'creating' 10,000 temporary jobs but only making a couple of thousand permanent jobs. werent you just talking about how the 1000 jobs at carrier was a pitiful number
Why the hell would you want 100 new nuclear plants, or even one new nuclear plant? Seriously? Nuclear energy isn't clean, and eats up more energy than it produces. Maintain the system? What system, the one that steals money and pollutes the earth while claiming it's somehow safe and clean? The nuclear cartel that continues to loot and pillage?
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: LunarEclipse]
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1000 Jobs? Really?
That's a 1000 families who won't need assistance, have dignity and a future
***its disgusting you scoff at that
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I am speaking for myself, and the people I work with. Nobody wants to work like Chinese do which is degrading, dangerous, and grossly underpaid.
Are the carrier jobs those types of jobs?
The idea ALL factory jobs are "degrading, dangerous, and grossly underpaid" is retarded
And yeah, you and your "friends" have fun with your high paying specialized jobs, once again, you.cannot employ everyone at the same fucking job
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Wind, solar, nuclear, automation. That is where the future lies, if we're to have one
So you really think 90 million Americans can be employed building wind turbines
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I work in a factory.
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That's right, you know fuck all about manufacturing just like Trump. We're doing fine without your "help". Cut China out of the equation and you'll cripple industry.
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According to the notice, 2,848 employees at the casino are scheduled to be laid off. This includes the more than 1,000 Local 54 members — cooks, housekeepers, bellmen, bartenders, cocktail servers and other service workers
Lol. Trump Casino.
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Welp, can put "bring back jobs" back onto the list.
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said: Nah, Trump is draining the swamp of all of the corrupt people. .
I take it you haven't been paying attention to how government works for very long.
Btw, Trump isn't bringing shit back. Jobs were lost due to tech and automation, not government influence. The trend will continue until people realize that they have to develop new skills for a new market, which is literally the same trend that's been repeating itself since 90% of farming jobs were replaced by mechanization over a hundred years ago.
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LunarEclipse said: Nuclear energy isn't clean, and eats up more energy than it produces.
Lol what? Please provide the mechanism by which nuclear could "eat up" more energy than it produces. It may produce waste and require a lot of water for cooling, but the notion that nuclear is a net energy drain is batshit insane.
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moonrockmushy said: That's right, you know fuck all about manufacturing just like Trump. We're doing fine without your "help". Cut China out of the equation and you'll cripple industry.
Who's saying "cut china out?"
You should try following the actual conversation rather than just making shit up
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Jobs were lost due to tech and automation
While downsizing can certainly occur due to that. That doesn't explain why these factories no longer exist all. Does America not have access to "tech and automation"?
Even the most automated factories still need people to run and maintain them
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Webster10 said: Nah, Trump is draining the swamp of all of the corrupt people. .
I take it you haven't been paying attention to how government works for very long.
Btw, Trump isn't bringing shit back. Jobs were lost due to tech and automation, not government influence. The trend will continue until people realize that they have to develop new skills for a new market, which is literally the same trend that's been repeating itself since 90% of farming jobs were replaced by mechanization over a hundred years ago.
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LunarEclipse said: Nuclear energy isn't clean, and eats up more energy than it produces.
Lol what? Please provide the mechanism by which nuclear could "eat up" more energy than it produces. It may produce waste and require a lot of water for cooling, but the notion that nuclear is a net energy drain is batshit insane.
Yeah I was wondering that. I mean what about the law of conservation of energy? It's not like there's a shortage of energy, and the best arguments I see against nuclear are mostly scare tactics that are actually feasible to overcome with careful planning and implementation.
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moonrockmushy said: That's right, you know fuck all about manufacturing just like Trump. We're doing fine without your "help". Cut China out of the equation and you'll cripple industry.
Who's saying "cut china out?"
You should try following the actual conversation rather than just making shit up
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Jobs were lost due to tech and automation
While downsizing can certainly occur due to that. That doesn't explain why these factories no longer exist all. Does America not have access to "tech and automation"?
Even the most automated factories still need people to run and maintain them
Ok how exactly is he going to be competitive with China then? How will he "bring jobs back"? Ask nicely?
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: nice1returns]
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nice1returns said: The Heirarchy of Power as it stands Globally 2017 Banks Armies Media Government Workers Non-Workers
Would you agree?
In essence Greed is the ruling human emotion for most cultures, followed by violence and then control, then political discourse, then slavery and non participants.
Where do shroomery mods fit into this pyramid of power?
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Webster10 said: Nah, Trump is draining the swamp of all of the corrupt people. .
I take it you haven't been paying attention to how government works for very long.
Btw, Trump isn't bringing shit back. Jobs were lost due to tech and automation, not government influence. The trend will continue until people realize that they have to develop new skills for a new market, which is literally the same trend that's been repeating itself since 90% of farming jobs were replaced by mechanization over a hundred years ago.
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LunarEclipse said: Nuclear energy isn't clean, and eats up more energy than it produces.
Lol what? Please provide the mechanism by which nuclear could "eat up" more energy than it produces. It may produce waste and require a lot of water for cooling, but the notion that nuclear is a net energy drain is batshit insane.
Yeah I was wondering that. I mean what about the law of conservation of energy? It's not like there's a shortage of energy, and the best arguments I see against nuclear are mostly scare tactics that are actually feasible to overcome with careful planning and implementation.
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moonrockmushy said: That's right, you know fuck all about manufacturing just like Trump. We're doing fine without your "help". Cut China out of the equation and you'll cripple industry.
Who's saying "cut china out?"
You should try following the actual conversation rather than just making shit up
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Jobs were lost due to tech and automation
While downsizing can certainly occur due to that. That doesn't explain why these factories no longer exist all. Does America not have access to "tech and automation"?
Even the most automated factories still need people to run and maintain them
Ok how exactly is he going to be competitive with China then? How will he "bring jobs back"? Ask nicely?
The currencies are manipulated today, fix that problem and that's how the US becomes competitive.
If the currencies were allowed to trade freely, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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Re: The Power Structure as it Stands [Re: qman] 1
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We're talking about the united states of america here? I would love to have a hard backed currency but our competitiveness is tied to our fake economy. I hate to think the turmoil splitting from that would bring, and a rich cunt like Trump certainly ain't the one to look to for that.
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We're talking about the united states of america here? I would love to have a hard backed currency but our competitiveness is tied to our fake economy. I hate to think the turmoil splitting from that would bring, and a rich cunt like Trump certainly ain't the one to look to for that.
The Chinese Yuan is going to have to appreciate at some point and the US Dollar is going to have to depreciate at some point.
It's coming whether policymakers want it for not, nature always wins at the end of the day.
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Yeah it's fair competition, aka the free market. I think they deserve it the sacrifices they have taken as a people, and I think we have to be careful to encourage the right ones among them. There are good, caring Chinese no doubt, and many of them have suffered greatly, as have all people, but nobody can say they aren't willing to do whatever it takes to compete.
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