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    #23892170 - 12/03/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm just starting out with Agar, and got some nice looking plates going, and I believe an isolated monoculture. I wanted to see what the characteristics might be before committing to some large tubs, so I was reading about 'Mini Dub Tubs'. I decided to shrink down to 2 64 oz disposable Glad tubs.

I've only used a Martha prior to this, no mono-tubs or anything else. I'd love to get any feedback on my setup here. Otherwise I'll just post the results and more pics if things get going.


I used a special soldering iron I bought to replace inkjet toner. It's about 3/4" hole. I put 2 holes on each side of the lower tub to allow out-flow of Co2. I put some thick filter discs on these holes with some contact cement.




On top tub I used about 1.5" hole saw, one hole on each side, and I'm filling with polyfill, not too tight. My understanding is that freer flow up top and tighter on bottom holes is the way to go to encourage FAE up top, causing downflow to push the Co2 out the tighter, smaller holes. Maybe that's not 100%, but read something like that.



I've got some H-poo, verm, jiffy mix with a little gypsum that I pasteurized at about 145-150 for about 6 hours.


I put my agar wedges into some 1/2 pint WBS / finch food jars (mostly millet and small stuff). I've got a bunch of these I'll use for G2G quarts if the mini dub-tub shows some good results.

I put a bead of thin weatherstripping stuff around the rim of the lower tub, to fill the gap, and I'm using some small paper clamps to hold it together. During colonization, I'm just clipping the Glad tub lid to the top and putting the whole thing into a small garbage bag.


I also covered the lower holes with just some foil and duct-tape, which should limit GE, but not totally preven some from pushing out if there's a lot of buildup.


Any critique on this setup is welcome!


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: ColonelAngus]
    #23892412 - 12/03/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds pretty good to me, as long as you didn't over-pastuerize your sub at 6hrs.

I'm following cause I'm just starting my first tub set-up. I'm using 2 of the 6qt sterilite for mine.


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: thebug76]
    #23893181 - 12/04/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Looks good from my seat as well, I like the attention to detail you put into this.
I am a huge fan of dub tubs myself.
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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: thebug76]
    #23893380 - 12/04/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sounds pretty good to me, as long as you didn't over-pastuerize your sub at 6hrs.

I'm following cause I'm just starting my first tub set-up. I'm using 2 of the 6qt sterilite for mine.





Yeah, I hope not on the pasteurizing. I've got one of those induction cookers with temp control, so I know it never went above 152, and that was just the water, not the internal of the substrate. It was just a small bag, so I know it got up to the range.

I've got a bunch of 16qt Sterlites that I was using in my Martha setup previously, but if this micro-mini works, I'm going to convert the bigger ones.

Hope to be posting some good results up here soon!


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: ColonelAngus]
    #23893474 - 12/04/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:takingnotes:


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23928971 - 12/15/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's been about 12 days since I spawned my WBS / Finch seed to my hpoo/jiffy/verm mixture, and happy to report things are looking pretty good. I initially wrapped the whole sealed container in a small trash bag, and then put that into a small incubator I made with a reptile heater mat with a temp shut-off sensor.. kept it right at about 80 F. Colonized quickly, about 6 days. I went to fruiting 6 days ago.

First I put on the top of my micro dub-tub with the loose polyfil holes.



There were some very tiny gaps between the tubs, even with the weather stripping, so I've been putting a box of business cards on top (on top of my battery operated 5K LED strip light).






I've only opened the top about once daily, just to peek for a few seconds. The surface always seems to have just a few glistening tiny dew drops, so I think that's a good sign that the RH is in good shape. I figure the opening may also give a shot of FAE and some extra escape for any Co2 that may be not making it out of the thick filter discs, but I'm guessing they're doing a fine job down there without opening the lid.

I'm now seeing tons of hypheal knots on the surface, so looks like I may get some good pins here pretty soon.



I'll report back in a few days with some pin-porn! :wink:


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: ColonelAngus]
    #23928981 - 12/15/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

looking pinny:thumbup:


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: mushboy]
    #23929165 - 12/15/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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looking pinny:thumbup:




Yeah, there's so many knots in there, I'm thinking this little tub is going to be too small, especially if the clone I isolated looks anything like his mother!

In any event, if it all goes well, this will be my new anytime, desktop terrarium for making small grows or testing strains without wasting big batches.


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: thebug76]
    #23931296 - 12/16/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you're still following, looking pretty good here as of today. How's your dubs looking? I'm curious because I'm going to step up next to some 16qt tubs next..

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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: ColonelAngus]
    #23931312 - 12/16/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The SFD on the bottom holes are overkill but as long as the air flow is right it shouldn't cause any problems. Looking good man, keep it up :dancingbacon:


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    #23931329 - 12/16/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm still following. My jars are fully colonized and ready, but with the christmas season here and between being a cook for a living and being a dad at home, I haven't found the time to spawn them yet. I'm hoping for tomorrow or saturday.

If I upgrade, I'll go to monos. It would be more efficient costwise buying 1 for a mono instead of 2 for a dub if I get bigger tubs.


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: Intelligentxfruit2]
    #23931660 - 12/16/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The SFD on the bottom holes are overkill but as long as the air flow is right it shouldn't cause any problems. Looking good man, keep it up :dancingbacon:




Thanks for pointing that out. I'm still a bit green on air-flow. Do you think they are overkill because they are so dense, and may be preventing the inflow from the top from pushing CO2 out?

Will CO2 naturally just 'seep' out, or is there a risk of it sitting there and slowing things down?

I guess at the moment things seem to be working fine, but I was thinking about doing the same setup for some larger 16 qt versions. Maybe I should just go with polyfill for the bigger ones, but I'm unsure of what hole sizes, how many for top and bottom, and how much / how tight the polyfill should be.

I know there are teks everywhere discussing this, but really too many to draw a good consensus.


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: thebug76]
    #23931663 - 12/16/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If I upgrade, I'll go to monos. It would be more efficient costwise buying 1 for a mono instead of 2 for a dub if I get bigger tubs.




I agree cost-wise. I've got a bunch of the 16 qt that I'd previously used in my Martha setup. Also kinda buying into the idea that the dub tubs allow for a more self-contained, low-maintenance setup


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: ColonelAngus]
    #23931685 - 12/16/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If I upgrade, I'll go to monos. It would be more efficient costwise buying 1 for a mono instead of 2 for a dub if I get bigger tubs.




I agree cost-wise. I've got a bunch of the 16 qt that I'd previously used in my Martha setup. Also kinda buying into the idea that the dub tubs allow for a more self-contained, low-maintenance setup




For self containment and low maintenance, a mono and a dub tub are the same concept, just using 1 deeper tub instead of 2 shallower ones. But, if you already have the 16 qts, then you're saving money by not buying different ones.

Your reply to Intelligentxfruit2's comments. I'm with you on the air flow thing being kind of alien. What I'm going to do as far as holes go with mine (6qt shoebox sterilites) is 1" holes, 2 on each long side down low and 1 on the ends up high, and not have the polyfill super tight, but not loose either on the low ones and kind if loose on the high ones.

You may get some better advice from someone more experience, like I said, I'm a greenhorn at the tub thing too. Maybe, I'll even get some help with it.


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: thebug76]
    #23931921 - 12/16/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

yah those sfds are not allowing enough air inside. take that off asap.
i didnt even notice them before. good eyeball homie.
go to cvs or whatever and grab micropore tape.(not microspore) or gental paper surgical tape. whatever its called and use that.

sfds filter down to microns. you need fresh air. open that tub. it needs to breathe!


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    #23933127 - 12/16/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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yah those sfds are not allowing enough air inside. take that off asap.
i didnt even notice them before. good eyeball homie.
go to cvs or whatever and grab micropore tape.(not microspore) or gental paper surgical tape. whatever its called and use that.

sfds filter down to microns. you need fresh air. open that tub. it needs to breathe!




I was afraid of that, but figured if they are good for my colonizing jars, then maybe why not on the tub? But I guess on jars you want just enough flow to allow some escape of Co2 while limiting contams.

I've got loads of micropore tape here, so I'll ditch the sfds. Maybe pinning will speed up.. there's hundreds of knots in there right now!


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Re: Micro Mini Dub Tub Tek Experiment (For you to poop on!) [PICS] [Re: ColonelAngus]
    #23936879 - 12/17/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've been playing with the 6 quart dubs, and from what I've noticed Pasty's  micropore tape tek does pretty well.  One layer on top, two on bottom, I pulled just about  150 grams from three tubs, each with two quarts spawn and cvg.
It seems to me like the 16 qt I have running needs much more attention.  The shoubox dubs are set and forget, literally. Remove a small strip of the tape over the top holes when I see the pinset it is, other than that they are taped close.
I'm really enjoying this thread :grin:
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    #23942598 - 12/20/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So I've got some pins now, and lots of knots, but I'm thinking I may have let it get a bit too dry in there. I was trying to leave it alone, but then I started to see some very dry, tiny pins and knots, and a few that were turning blue as well.

I did some misting, and now there's enough moisture in there that there are droplets staying stuck to the walls, but the surface does not maintain a glistening.

I don't want to mess with it too much, but if anyone has suggestions based on the look of the pin-set and the look of the surface in the middle and the knots.



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    #23942617 - 12/20/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If it's getting too dry, tighten up your bottom polyfill


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    #23942634 - 12/20/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If it's getting too dry, tighten up your bottom polyfill




I've got micropore tape on there. Can I double it up? I originally used the filter discs, but those were too restrictive, and pinning definitely seemed to speed up after switching to the tape.

Now I'm not really sure it's too dry. The surface is moist to the touch.. just doesn't have that glistening look. The sides have droplets that stayed there over night, so I'm guessing in a tight small box, that would mean the RH is high. I'm just a bit disappointed in the pin-set in the center of it because there's so many knots there. Maybe that will end up being my 2nd flush.


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    #23942797 - 12/20/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you're getting good results, don't mess with it. But, yes, you can double up the tape if needed.

I'm actually working on spawning my dubtubs as we speak. I'm not very big on logging my grows, but I've took a few pics and I'll post back here in an hour ir so. I'll be using polyfill so we can compare the differences between that and the tape.


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    #23943017 - 12/20/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, I got my dubs spawned and taped together.

[url=https://files.shroomery.org/files/16-51/225548481-1220161048.jpg][/url





There's what I've got going on. Both are AA+.

My tape job sucks, it's a good thing looking pretty isn't a requirement of their job.


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    #23944558 - 12/20/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There's what I've got going on. Both are AA+.

My tape job sucks, it's a good thing looking pretty isn't a requirement of their job.




Looks good! If you're taping them like that, do you not intend to open them up at all until you're ready to harvest?

You don't have any holes right at the surface of the substrate, but looks like a very thick layer.. what's your spawn ratio?

One last question, since my next grow will be in 16qt tubs.. I think just a little bigger than those. What size hole saw did you use there?

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    #23944594 - 12/20/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The tek I read had said to tape them together because they're pretty much a set and forget setup. So yea, no plans to open til harvest.

I had planned to have the bottom tub full, so the holes would have been at surface level, but I was short on coir and verm. It wasn't much so I went with it.
I had 3 qt jars 3/4 full (2 1/4qts) of spawn for each tub and 3 qts cvg. So, between 1:1 and 1:2.

I used a 1" hole saw since it's only 6qt tubs. I think most on here go with a 1 1/2" for bigger tubs. I would check out the techs before I run with that tho if I were you.


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    #23945265 - 12/21/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

After thinking about it, you not having yours taped at the seam may be why it's not keeping that glistening look on your sub. It allows extra air flow and could be drying it a little.


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    #24354605 - 05/27/17 05:13 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

How did it turn out? =)


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    #24509959 - 07/26/17 05:01 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I guess it turned out really good, or really bad =)


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