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The Etheric Body
    #23890733 - 12/03/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There are many very deep experiences which get swept away with the tides of amnesia during the mushroom experience, time after time.

I know that I only bring back a tiny portion of what I experience into something I can recall and claim as 'knowledge'.

Just recently I've recalled a phenomenon I've have almost in every single instance of a mushroom experience, but have always forgotten.

It's experience of the spinning lotus flowers. Spinning fast, like a graceful, transparent fan blades where a series of mellow high pitched pings (or 'mips' as I've termed them), chime in orchestration.

As it happens, the spinning lotus is widely documented and only now do I recall every instance and it's regarded as the level of the etheric body.

Des anyone else have the pleasure of connecting with it?


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Re: The Etheric Body [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23891850 - 12/03/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cant be sure if were talking about the same thing.  But I clearly remember glimpsing something like what you describe while waking up from a deep sleep.  My brain lagged behind or something and for a moment I was watching something project my body from what appeared to be a stream coming from the center of a magic like lotus.  Ethereal is the only word I can think of that fits the bill for the quality of what  it was.

It was like as soon as I saw it - it instantly dissipated like It wasnt supposed to be seen.

is this sort of what your referring to?  it seemed like the place from which matter is for lack of a better word - is emanated from.  Or rather this form now - the physical is the effulgence of that.


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Re: The Etheric Body [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23891857 - 12/03/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I can only liken it to the exact moment when a dreamer becomes fully lucid and is simultaneously aware of the physical body in the bed sleeping - and the dream world - at the same time there being an awareness of the 2 so in total 3 things.  One being some sort of tie between the two.

Am I following or missing the mark here?


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Re: The Etheric Body [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23892389 - 12/03/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I often see a lotus unfolding/blossoming in my minds eye, and it's turning like it's in a display case of some type, the petals are sometimes white, but can be others colors as well, but usually the lotus is white and radiating golden light.  I see this sober all the time, and I must admit I have been sober from psychs for a decent chunk of time, but I still have patterns I see on everything around me, always geometric patters.

When I am doing pushups every morning I see patterns in the carpet, geometry patters, and I am often see a lotus within the center of the geometric designs I see in the carpet.  I have had patterns like that for years, which is why I think hardcore doses have maybe done something to my mind.:shocked:

When I am speaking about something I am passionate about, I will see this image of the golden/white lotus fill my mind, and then from there I see an angel descending behind it holding a staff, or a caduceus, upon seeing this in my minds eye I feel higher than any drug has ever taken me, and I have used this energy to overcome heroin and nicotine addiction, whatever this experience is, it's very, very, very real.


I will be speaking about something and will see in my minds eye the golden/white lotus in flames between my eyes, but not being destroyed by the flames.  I don't know if I just burnt myself out on psychedelics, but I get some really wild images in my minds eye, but whenever I allow these symbols to work in my life, things go my way, not in some selfish way, but in a nice way which is good for everyone I guess you could say.

I have been reading what Jung says about symbols, and I must admit symbols are very interesting.


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Re: The Etheric Body [Re: Lucis]
    #23892393 - 12/03/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Mine was just some weird hypogagnic dreaming thing, nothing but tricks!


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Re: The Etheric Body [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23892403 - 12/03/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I take my experiences like that to be symbolic of the changes I have been going through in life, and to keep moving forward, and to not second guess myself regarding certain important things, to trust in myself.


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Re: The Etheric Body [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #23892410 - 12/03/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

your inner vision of the lotus being in flames but not destroyed reminds me of some of the visualizations used in tantric pracrices in Tibetan Buddhism :smile:

this quote by Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche seems a bit fitting:
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As the twentieth-century Tibetan scholar-monk Gendun Chöpel pointed out, Vajrayana practitioners must get used to believing in the unbelievable. Tantric methods of visualiza­tion might involve creating a raging inferno in your mind’s eye, in the midst of which sits a deity on a fragile lotus flower and a cool moon seat, embracing a very passionate consort, and surrounded by an unruly mob of angry deities wielding deadly implements. Yet the heat and the flames do no harm whatsoever and no one gets hurt. A rational analysis of such a situa­tion can only result in disbelief, since everything about this scene is contradictory and nothing in it could possibly exist in our ordinary reality. But the point is that tantric practitioners have to get used to believing in the unbelievable. Our aim is to unite and dissolve subject and object so that they are one. We unite desire and anger, dissolv­ing them into one, just as we do heat and cold, clean and dirty, body and mind. This is known as “the union of jnanas and kayas,” and is the ultimate kind of union.



in any case, sounds like a powerful and beneficial experience :smile:


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Re: The Etheric Body [Re: deff]
    #23892419 - 12/03/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's interesting.


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Re: The Etheric Body [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23893036 - 12/04/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
I can only liken it to the exact moment when a dreamer becomes fully lucid and is simultaneously aware of the physical body in the bed sleeping - and the dream world - at the same time there being an awareness of the 2 so in total 3 things.  One being some sort of tie between the two.

Am I following or missing the mark here?




From what I remember, I've always experienced the spinning lotus in the mushroom state, but this intermediate point you speak of during sleep / half sleep is something which encounter nightly and I see all kinds of visions, mostly things forming into very lifelike alternatives - Typically 'trippy'.  I need to rearrange art often around the house since they yield the same can yield the same hallucination which can get tiresome!

The spinning lotus in particular is within an essence which suggests reminds me 'Ah, this again!' as if it's a natural part of my being which I experience, but  the potency of the physical senses grasps them from recall.

It quite literally feels like an 'air of space', - an alternative reality.

The more I strive to recall more, the more that comes flooding to the forefront of the consciousness. 

I've just recently reduced my alcohol consumption significantly and I can't help but feel that my mental capacity has been held back more than I every imagined.  The recall of this experience is now clear.

I literally sail around the etheric body of myself. Myself small in form so I can explore every detail of it.  The details (some up close / large) or some a little distant are the spinning lotus flowers.  I'l go out on a limb to suggest that the visions and the essence of this experience, is predominantly blue.


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your inner vision of the lotus being in flames but not destroyed reminds me of some of the visualizations used in tantric pracrices in Tibetan Buddhism :smile:

this quote by Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche seems a bit fitting:
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As the twentieth-century Tibetan scholar-monk Gendun Chöpel pointed out, Vajrayana practitioners must get used to believing in the unbelievable. Tantric methods of visualiza­tion might involve creating a raging inferno in your mind’s eye, in the midst of which sits a deity on a fragile lotus flower and a cool moon seat, embracing a very passionate consort, and surrounded by an unruly mob of angry deities wielding deadly implements. Yet the heat and the flames do no harm whatsoever and no one gets hurt. A rational analysis of such a situa­tion can only result in disbelief, since everything about this scene is contradictory and nothing in it could possibly exist in our ordinary reality. But the point is that tantric practitioners have to get used to believing in the unbelievable. Our aim is to unite and dissolve subject and object so that they are one. We unite desire and anger, dissolv­ing them into one, just as we do heat and cold, clean and dirty, body and mind. This is known as “the union of jnanas and kayas,” and is the ultimate kind of union.



in any case, sounds like a powerful and beneficial experience :smile:




Many years ago, I experienced an old man sitting behind a wall of flames.

The goal was to extinguish them with the mind.

I don't think I needed to 'physically' advance beyond the flames, rather the extinguishing of the fire was the advancement itself.

When I achieved the task of extinguishing the flames, he grinned a knowing smile of approval and suggested there would be more (of 'him').

The following day I visited the EDIT (everyonedoesit) forum, which wasn't a regular habit of mine and one of the first threads I clicked into, the OP was telling people of his experience the following night about witnessing an old man who challenged him, sat behind a wall of flames who (and I quote), 'grinned a knowing smile' when he successfully extinguished the flames with his mind.


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etheric [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23908488 - 12/08/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Etheric body is like a luminoius sage in the middle of a mountain waiting patiently to meet  a lizard whom will kiss his knee with his tongue. Adn knowing that not every meeting will be happenchance.

Like plasmic quantium dibarium is the morophocloicacic alngentonical along the axis of Ne3 to bring along alingum.


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Re: etheric [Re: nebulous4]
    #23908490 - 12/08/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So like electrizity sort of buzzes and this leads to quatum intteruption which is wherein we will inhabit.


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Re: The Etheric Body [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23911150 - 12/09/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Duncan Rowhl said:
There are many very deep experiences which get swept away with the tides of amnesia during the mushroom experience, time after time.

I know that I only bring back a tiny portion of what I experience into something I can recall and claim as 'knowledge'.

Just recently I've recalled a phenomenon I've have almost in every single instance of a mushroom experience, but have always forgotten.

It's experience of the spinning lotus flowers. Spinning fast, like a graceful, transparent fan blades where a series of mellow high pitched pings (or 'mips' as I've termed them), chime in orchestration.

As it happens, the spinning lotus is widely documented and only now do I recall every instance and it's regarded as the level of the etheric body.

Des anyone else have the pleasure of connecting with it?




that sounds like an amazing experience. i always equate my heart as the lotus and when im shrooming my heart is beaming pure light like the jewel in the lotus is shining so clear. Om mani padme hum! :smile:


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