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Lucid Dreamer
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I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum?
#23890641 - 12/03/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by Lucid Dreamer (12/05/16 06:40 PM)
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: Lucid Dreamer] 1
#23892640 - 12/04/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sure looks like it. Man you got a good eye.
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: ferrel_human] 1
#23892697 - 12/04/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That looks identical to mine(I'll post some pics tomorrow) And have the generally features of a somniferum poppy.
Any one know if pap.Son has any look alike poppy cousins or are the features that is has distinct to it?
For example I found poppy's which I believed to be somniferum (blue tinted, leaves jagged elongated lettuce shape and rounded seed pod) but found some differences that are from what I've read generally not considered somniferum.
The main difference was that some had spines/spikes ( not hairs) under the pod and on the flower stem. Is this normal?
Good spot btw
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: Dark lotus]
#23893243 - 12/04/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dark lotus said: That looks identical to mine(I'll post some pics tomorrow) And have the generally features of a somniferum poppy.
Any one know if pap.Son has any look alike poppy cousins or are the features that is has distinct to it?
For example I found poppy's which I believed to be somniferum (blue tinted, leaves jagged elongated lettuce shape and rounded seed pod) but found some differences that are from what I've read generally not considered somniferum.
The main difference was that some had spines/spikes ( not hairs) under the pod and on the flower stem. Is this normal?
Good spot btw 
What strain are you growing you said is identical to mine?
I just uploaded other pictures with a better camera
Edited by Lucid Dreamer (12/04/16 09:13 PM)
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Dark lotus
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: Lucid Dreamer]
#23895439 - 12/04/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not sure of the strain I only know that its a somniferum. From what I understand all somniferum poppy's look identical when they are seedlings.
Its a 30 year heirloom line that was grown here in New Zealand originally as an ornamental though its opiate content should be quite high. I'm also hoping the long line of stable genetics will mean a fairly even opiate content from plant to plant.
There are from what I under stand hundreds of cultivars under the species Papavier Somniferum all with varying opiate content. If anyone knows were to find cultivar lists I would appreciate it as I have six different variety's that I believe to be somniferum but can't find out there names. At the moment I'm giving them names based on appearance.
Also does anyone know if there are any somniferum poppy's not fit for consumption. I'm talking from a medical stand point here. I read that a Tasmanian variety was poisonous or is there a different species grown for medicinal use? I was thinking it migh be a Papavier. Brac or something similar grown to convert into morphine/codine through chemical process.
In other words are all Papavier Somniferum fit for consumption or are some dangerous? (assuming you know alkaloid content)
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: Dark lotus]
#23895592 - 12/04/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard there is the norman tasmanian with pink thebaine opium and there's the other tasmanian high in morphine. The norman tasmanian is the bad one.
Both norman and the morphine tasmaninan has similar appearance and color, because they came from the same mother plant genetically modified to produce the pink thebaine opium.
Edited by Lucid Dreamer (12/05/16 12:05 AM)
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: Lucid Dreamer]
#23895718 - 12/05/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for that. I'll need to do some research on the subject.
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: Lucid Dreamer]
#23896307 - 12/05/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lucid Dreamer said: I've heard there is the norman tasmanian with pink thebaine opium and there's the other tasmanian high in morphine. The norman tasmanian is the bad one.
Both norman and the morphine tasmaninan has similar appearance and color, because they came from the same mother plant genetically modified to produce the pink thebaine opium.
There is,and you will get deathly sick if you ingest it.
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: B1977]
#23896862 - 12/05/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK so I've read several articles and done some research and from what I can gather the general rule is don't ingest pink or red latex from a Somniferum poppy. The only one which does so being the Norman tazzie.
Would that be right? If so this would be much better advice to people than don't consume tazzies as then they must go through the process of identifying the cultivar and might be at first overwhelmed like I was and spend two hours reading about genetics.
Papavier Somniferum rule#1 Red sap means dead chap. Or red means dead ( something like that sure one of you guys could come up with something better)
Thanks for the info BTW I was concerned one of my plants might have the potential to kill me. Mind you they still do really digging all these emojis
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: Dark lotus]
#23897797 - 12/05/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can anyone else confirm the ID of this seedling?
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: Lucid Dreamer]
#23898864 - 12/06/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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it looks just like the poppies I've always grown in their beginning stages, I'm no expert though.
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: LuSiD9]
#23899320 - 12/06/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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were they potent?
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: Dark lotus]
#23900222 - 12/06/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dark lotus said: Thanks for that. I'll need to do some research on the subject.
Damn Sweetie! I'm loving your new sig pic 
Yes there is a Thebaine dominate breed poppy out there but they're not very common at all. I can see some kids harvesting some pods, collecting seeds and selling here and there before ODing but it's not very common at all to run across these seeds for sale.
I've only known 1 person to get their hands on this strain and honestly I would love to have it in my collection for future experiments. Sadly he tossed them all when he realized what he had and luckily he's a low dosser so he made it out of the liver crashing hell this strain will put you under
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: spaceman101]
#23902084 - 12/07/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dark lotus said: Thanks for that. I'll need to do some research on the subject.
Dam their that bad huh? I suppose it makes sense considering that Thebaine is an alkaloid and alkaloids in general have been used for everything from arrow poisons to murder. Some fine examples would be nicotine,strychnine and Acontine ooh and we can't forget curare.
Im sorry for the derail but does anyone know were I could find a list of ressesive and dominant traits for poppy's eg: album/nig,color,alkaloid content,etc.
I ask because I want to grow a poppy with a high alkaloid content but some distintve physical features even if it takes 5 years to get an f1. I'm not sure I'm using the correct search terms or if there are any poppy breeding guides similar to the Mj guides I've seen but I would appreciate any help.
Seriously sorry for the derail but I don't think thread is going any further. For the record I'm almost 100% sure that's a somniferum if you post picture in about a month I'll I.D it for you=) Right forgot I have all these sick emojis
Damn Sweetie! I'm loving your new sig pic 
Yes there is a Thebaine dominate breed poppy out there but they're not very common at all. I can see some kids harvesting some pods, collecting seeds and selling here and there before ODing but it's not very common at all to run across these seeds for sale.
I've only known 1 person to get their hands on this strain and honestly I would love to have it in my collection for future experiments. Sadly he tossed them all when he realized what he had and luckily he's a low dosser so he made it out of the liver crashing hell this strain will put you under 
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Re: I just found this seedling, is it a Papaver Somniferum? [Re: Lucid Dreamer]
#23902138 - 12/07/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lucid Dreamer said: were they potent?
usually yeah... not crazy potent, but 10-15 pods in tea would always put me where I wanted to be.
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