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Re: Why do some "smart" people not understand the value in Art [Re: laughingdog]
#23899507 - 12/06/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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laughingdog said: ... or cave painting of 35,000 years ago - or dancing & drumming, and of course many forms of play, although they are worth considering if trying to understand the role of "art" in the human nature or psychology.
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Re: Why do some "smart" people not understand the value in Art [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#23902011 - 12/07/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are different kinds of intelligence, the academic kind (being able to do math and such) and there is individualism or independent thinking. The latter is in short supply, I witness it all the time. You may see that straight A student who is very capable of doing the robotic tasks many times assigned in school but when it comes to actually being skeptical of the ideological landscape around them, they are helpless. It is because, I believe, we are heading in the wrong direction for education. We hard wire these kids brains to be robotic through neuro plasticity through school or even at home as parents encourage the kid to adopt their belief system rather than letting the kid develop their own beliefs, promoting individualism. To be frank though, this kind of intelligence is in short supply for good reason, not everyone can be a leader. To touch on the importance of art, people don't understand that what kids develop through art can be applied outside of that field. The parts of the brain that art exercises can be so valuable, it develops their ability to create and evolve.
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Re: Why do some "smart" people not understand the value in Art [Re: Kenneth]
#23902228 - 12/07/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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do you think you can produce people who are polymaths? I would not blame education for all those people that pursue limited aptitude, polymathy is basically rare.
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Re: Why do some "smart" people not understand the value in Art [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#23902403 - 12/07/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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well our society values specialists rather than generalists. highschools are designed to lead you down one path/career and only one.
the main criticism of polymathy is the old saying "jack of all trades, master of none." although i think thats a limiting idea. Whose to say that broadening your knowledge and skill sets doesn't have a type of resonant effect where the flow from one activity bleeds into the next and has overall enhancing effect. davinci was successful in his pursuits of polymathy.
but i think the best configuration might be a mix of specialist/generalist.
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Re: Why do some "smart" people not understand the value in Art [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23907384 - 12/08/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am simply speaking of individualism which is not limited to polymaths. Many people can follow one path yet hold individualism. I strongly agree with you SleepyE. A great example of this would be entrepreneurs. Through this route, you can take away from so many disciplines to make yourself successful. This would include but not be limited to psychology, writing skills, math, creative thinking (related to art), computer programming (Mark Zuckerburg, need I say more?), etc
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Re: Why do some "smart" people not understand the value in Art [Re: Kenneth]
#23908502 - 12/08/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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definitely in that respect as well. Although i was referring to an idea of how lots of skills might be interconnected and related so that once you reach a high level in one craft; if you tackle a different craft which has some similarities that you can identify compared to the last craft, then the progress you made from the work you did in a previous skill will act like a type of way-point of experience to allow you to progress/improve faster in a new craft.
for example-- so like pushing yourself hard in a craft like piano can be very similar to the progression of something like pushing yourself hard in the gym if youre a bodybuilder. Both feel like a similar exercise of someones will and are very connected on a mental focus level. I think it comes down to how much your mind is saying "this is to that as that is to this" in every task you do to try to unify the understanding of all your crafts/knowledge.
those are my ideas at least, although im sure it doesnt work for everything but i think you might be able to cover more ground at least
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Re: Why do some "smart" people not understand the value in Art [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23908673 - 12/08/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, absolutely. From what I read from a "Psychology Today" article a while back, that is how we learn, through connections. I imagine it as a vast body of knowledge, all the knowledge one holds, weaved into a web like structure with ideas being connected from one to another.
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Re: Why do some [Re: Kenneth]
#23908686 - 12/08/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh for sure! i think the ability to notice all the connections in your knowledge is vital and perhaps might be a factor in just how much a person can achieve with the knowledge they have.
luckily the drugs we talk about here seem to accelerate this connectivity
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Re: Why do some [Re: SleepyE]
#23908797 - 12/08/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, I hate to to align with the stereotypical hippy persona but it's the truth, many of these drugs could be a great key. There is an article from LiveScience that speaks of studies pointing towards psilocybin mushrooms being able to actually alter adult personality, promoting open mindedness to new ideas. This is absolutely amazing, closed mindedness is humanities greatest enemy I would say. It is the inhibition of progress and for these mushrooms to be able to help remove this burden, we should be very thankful. Not to mention its affects on creativity. I would say that the way it allows you to stray from traditional thought, encountering ideological realms you have never encountered or would have never encountered before is significant in itself.
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Re: Why do some [Re: Kenneth]
#23909299 - 12/09/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah man ive been thinking similar things as well. it seems to make us more open in many respects and i think that is important if you want to evolve to be a more conscious person.
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