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Four Hour Trip with no Drugs
    #23889558 - 12/03/16 02:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

At about 9:00 last night I felt a crazy feeling overtake my body suddenly. I recognized the feeling as a shrooms high right away. I had only tripped once before and it was a bad trip off of a high dose a couple months ago. Of course I started panicking because I was not expecting it all.Luckily my roommate showed up and got me a cup of water and sat with me untill I calmed down. I hated my shrooms trip so much I didn't want another one at all. After I calmed down I decided to try and enjoy the trip as much as I could even though I had no idea where it came from.

The trip kicked in and went away exactly like the time I've tripped before. My main problem with tripping was the feeling of disconnection with my body. Just like when I took 4 gs, I started off with a kick ass euphoria and my body slowly starting loose sync with my mind. Just like my trip before sound was delayed, touch was delayed, and I slowly started to slip in to visual hallucinations. They were not as heavy as my trip before, but the size of he room was distorted, the tv slowly slid down the wall, and I could see intricate and organic patterns in everything. I tried to fall asleep to see if I was actually tripping, there was no chance I was going to fall asleep. I just sat on my couch tripping untill about 12:00 and I crashed soon after for a while.

As soon As I realized I was tripping I started retracing my steps in my mind. I know that I had not consciously ingested any shrooms or any other drug. I had been smoking all day, but I smoke everyday all day. My only doubt is that I picked up some new weed from my dealer just an hour before and he told me to be careful it's dank as fuck. But That's it. I was wondering if the weed was so good that it felt like I was on shrooms. The effects were too distinguishable. I have heard of flashbacks and even weed induced flashbacks, but I have never hear of them being more than a dejavu experience. I had a whole trip.

I was alone all day. Only interaction I had was buying weed from my dealer. I rolled a joint and smoked half Of it by myself. I grabbed a bag of bagel chips for my munchies, about 3 bites in I spilled the bag on the floor because I had unexpectedly started tripping. I was up all night the night before, but I had slept from 8:00 am to 11:00 pm. I had eggs and toast, a taco bell crunch wrap, and the bagel chips. I really don't think I was drugged in any way, but I'm so confused I'm not ruling anything out. Can a shrooms flashbacks really last for 4 hours? Or did something else happen? I just can't believe I went through that without even meaning to. I love tripping and psychedelics. I use take a lot of acid and I took shrooms once and had a bad trip recently. Even though it was a terrifying trip, I wasn't opposed to taking them again starting with a lower dose. I'm starting to wonder if diving into the wonderful world of hallucinogens is worth it if it means I could unexpectedly trip at any time.


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Sad123]
    #23889566 - 12/03/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

staying up all night/sleep deprivation + really good weed + having tripped before/flashbacks + your mind ruminating over the whole thing while it happened and trying to figure it out = enough to bounce you into a strange anomaly type trip I imagine at least when combining all those factors and the chance the weed had something in it, even if it wasnt - it still could have been enough to tip you over the edge and start tripping.

I have tripped off sleep deprivation and cannabis before adventitiously and it was a psychedelic experience.


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23889569 - 12/03/16 02:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

only you can put back the pieces together on this incident and see what picture it really comes out to


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23889577 - 12/03/16 02:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My guess, it was the change in weed man. I'm a heavy user myself and from time to time when i pick up a new strain from the dispensary and smoke it i get a small panic. My heart begins to race and the palms of my hands become very clammy. If you're like me and you pick up around an ounce at a time and smoke the same shit then thats probably it.


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Colonel]
    #23889924 - 12/03/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you so much for your all of your feed back. My first shrooms trip was really hard for me to comprehend considering that I knew nothing about the drug and that I just jumped right into it. I think about my first trip so much to this day and how terrifyingly beautiful it was. I have done a lot more research since then, this was really hard to comprehend. I guess my main issue was not knowing it was possible to have a whole trip without taking any drugs.

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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Sad123]
    #23890303 - 12/03/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Colonel]
    #23890324 - 12/03/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think it was all in your head man. This just recently happened to my girlfriend and she doesnt trip at all. She hardly even smokes at all. But it just instantly overwhelmed her and she started panicking saying it felt like she just took a dab( she hates dabs, did it twice and freaked out, usually only inhales my exhales). Ultimately it ended up being an absolutely terrible night for her and I as the shear surprise was too unsettling for her.


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Sad123] * 1
    #23890722 - 12/03/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I hated my shrooms trip so much I didn't want another one at all.




Probably shouldn't have taken a high dose then.

Also it sounds like just the weed man. Just Google; Weed different after psychedelics/shrooms


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23890747 - 12/03/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I hated my shrooms trip so much I didn't want another one at all.




Probably shouldn't have taken a high dose then.

Also it sounds like just the weed man. Just Google; Weed different after psychedelics/shrooms




IMO 4 grams isnt a high dose, thats more like the average dose, close to an eigth or 3.5gs...Id say a high dose is more like 7 grams. I find it interesting that you can handle LSD but not Psilocybin, I feel the latter is much smoother and a shorter duration... atleast I would always recommend it for a first time tripper over LSD...


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23890798 - 12/03/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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IMO 4 grams isnt a high dose, thats more like the average dose, close to an eigth or 3.5gs...Id say a high dose is more like 7 grams. I find it interesting that you can handle LSD but not Psilocybin, I feel the latter is much smoother and a shorter duration... atleast I would always recommend it for a first time tripper over LSD...




Maybe you get some weird shrooms because I think most would consider psilocybin fairly more intense than LSD. At least the people in my city. Some people that come here from other states have different opinions I've noticed but those opinions often change when they try some golden teachers.
Also I was talking about first time tripping.

3.5 isn't a high dose when you've done shrooms before but if you've never tripped then that's most definitely a high dose.
Eating an eighth of shrooms for most people will get them a level 3 but if it's your first time an eighth could easily give you a level 4 with full ego death.

Even for the average user anything above 3.5 or 4 grams is most often considered a high dose. If you don't consider 4 to 4.5 grams of shrooms a high dose you should probably get a new dealer.

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Low Dose:
LSD    40 - 120 micrograms

Mushrooms    0.8 - 2 grams


Medium Dose:

LSD  130 - 300 micrograms

Mushrooms  2.5 - 4 grams


High Dose:

LSD  +300/350  micrograms

Mushrooms    +4/4.5 grams


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23890883 - 12/03/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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....it sounds like just the weed man.






That's what I was thinking as well .








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....I think most would consider psilocybin fairly more intense than LSD.

3.5 isn't a high dose when you've done shrooms before but if you've never tripped then that's most definitely a high dose.


Even for the average user anything above 3.5 or 4 grams is most often considered a high dose.







Totally...Generally speaking, I personally feel mushrooms to be a heavier and more intense experience than L for sure...and most people do share the same sentiment in regards to the two. L is easier going, more functional, clear headed/lucid, and tends to not get as "serious" as mushrooms can.

I also concur that 3.5g to 4g for a first timer is somewhat of a high dose, I don't suggest first timers take that much....And even after working with psychedelics for a decade now, and though I have and do dose higher, I still consider a full 8th of cubensis with proper potency to be a solid dose (or 1.5g of cyans)...Things can go much deeper with higher dosage, no doubt, but a full 8th can be a pretty full on experience with no tolerance, especially so for a first timer.



And I agree with your breakdown of dosage comparison between the two, what you consider light, medium, and heavy...I totally feel the same way.





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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: openmind]
    #23890929 - 12/03/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks man and ya I find 3.5 to honestly lie right on the border of high dose and medium dose even if you're experienced.

I had an eighth my first time and that was definitely too much haha. Ego death and everything. I even encountered machinescapes and the walls of my house were covered in Mayan hieroglyphs.


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23891006 - 12/03/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah you may have a point, I mean up until recently Ive only had dealer shrooms. But Id say the last five times ive eaten them that has not been the case. Personally, Ive always just eaten an eigth even for my first time. I havea high tolerance for everything though so it could just be me :shrug:..

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Thanks man and ya I find 3.5 to honestly lie right on the border of high dose and medium dose even if you're experienced.

I had an eighth my first time and that was definitely too much haha. Ego death and everything. I even encountered machinescapes and the walls of my house were covered in Mayan hieroglyphs.




I love when this happens, for me I guess this is the goal of tripping period. I cant get there unless i eat five or more grams of cubes though. I havent had the pleasure of trying woodlovers or panaelous yet, which I'm sure will fit my bill much better as they have much more punch power.


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23891062 - 12/03/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, if I wanted to have a trip that was that level of strength again I would have to down 5 grams probably.

I think this stuff is just stronger the first time you do it, that's the only reason I don't recommend first timers take a full 3.5. Not because I don't think they're ready for an average eighth trip but I just think that since it's new to their bodies it will probably effect them in a particularly strong way.

When people ask me which one they should take first I usually say shrooms but that's only because I like shrooms better and they're nearly impossible to fake. Realistically though if I were to be non biased about it I think LSD would be better for a beginner.

One reason people give for shrooms being better is they only last 6 hours as oppose to 12 hours but honestly....I get way more time distortion from shrooms than acid so mushroom trips automatically feel longer than my acid trips in a sense.
I don't think a "shorter" duration is a good enough reason to suggest it to a beginner.


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23891098 - 12/03/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I get where your coming from I'm just a balls to the wall kind of guy hahaha.... :trippnballs:

I guess IDK though bout the L for a first timer. Theres no tellin how strong each hit is, or how clean it is. You could think your taking one hit and really be taking five, talk about a surprised first timer.

3.5 grams of cubes is pretty much 3.5 grams of cubes(not including PE). Additionally, after 3.5 hours, effects begin to diminish, as opposed to 6 hours in your STILL peaking on L.

a shorter duration is a shorter duration...IMO I'm always left thinking i could handle more when i eat shrooms...Don't get me wrong I love L but everytime I eat the L I'm ready for it to be over long before its actually over...But i guess to each his/her own.

Also I think the period after the experience is important for a first timer...I always feel the chemy burnt out exhausted feeling even after sleeping with L, but I always feel totally rejuvenated and cleansed after shrooms, but maybe thats an organic / synthetic thing.


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23891123 - 12/03/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah it's fairly hard to explain. On LSD I get less time dilation but yet my LSD trips are still more strenuous for some reason. It's like on shrooms a perceived eternity could go by but I will have no problem with it at all where a normal feeling 12 hours on LSD can have me tapping out before it's even close to over.

When I have a mushroom trip that feels like days it just feels like days, it doesn't however wear me down like several days in real life actually would. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that mushroom trips feel longer to me but in a way that isn't bothersome or explainable.


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23891144 - 12/03/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think mixing Shrooms with Peganum Harmala is pretty nice, can stretch out the duration to about 9 to 10 hours with a good Harmala dose, and adds a nice aspect to the Shroom experience ime. If i had to choose between Shrooms and L, i'd choose Shrooms most definitely. Not to mention most people just take Shrooms by themselves, like people smoke Cannabis by itself, but one thing Aya has shown me is the potential for different plant combinations, which i'm thinking would be a good idea for Shrooms, and Cannabis, as well. That way, you can reduce some of the undesirable effects (whatever that may be) and get a cleaner, better, or even different experience out of it with different admixture plants. It's worth a try, imo.

But yeah, it's probably just the Cannabis OP, i've had the same thing happen with Cannabis after a good bit of intense work with Aya. It got to the point where anytime i'd smoke it felt like i was coming up on DMT lol, made for an anxious and paranoid headspace. It only lasted for awhile, but Cannabis just hasn't been the same since i started taking Psychedelics, now i can definitely notice Cannabis's Entheogenic potential though.


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #23891147 - 12/03/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I hear ya, I really enjoyed the convo, you seem like a cool dude, I hope my teachers turn out as strong as the ones you have in your city!!!


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Sabnock]
    #23891164 - 12/03/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have some harmaline hcl extract I planned on mixing with some cubes...I heard it was incredible! Intense visions with arabic themes and overwhelming colors and patterns, my buddy said the visions were so intense they were almost debilitating. He just laid there and was completely consumed by it all hahaha. I too have recently been exploring the world of the entheogenic plants. I have yet t try Aya but I really want to. I think i can handle it as I love a good Breakthrough!


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Re: Four Hour Trip with no Drugs [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23891652 - 12/03/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

"The body loses sync with the mind"

Man these are words I was looking to describe my last trip, it's like your body take a step but your mind is one step behind, so trippy.

Do you have a trip report?


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