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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Crystal G]
    #23891175 - 12/03/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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all this from someone that told me it was morally reprehensible to spank my own
children, that it would cause them to grow up and be violent thugs




I don't believe in doing it to little kids, teenagers it's fine.





so dont correct the behaviors while they're young so that it;'s a problem that needs
serious correction when they're older... makes perfect liberal sense


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23891177 - 12/03/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's It? Imagine how much more successfully you could have been if you could have explained to them what they were doing wrong and giving them a solution rather than just hitting them?


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23891183 - 12/03/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, just let it be known that countries that have some of the highest-achieving students in math and other subjects are countries that still practice corporal punishment in schools. South Korea, India, China...

I had a Korean tutor just like the guy in this video :rofl: we called him Uncle Hambing. Whenever we were rough-housing and acting up he spanked us with this bigass ruler. He was a lot easier on me because I was a girl though, he would sometimes leave welts and marks on the boys. 



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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #23891186 - 12/03/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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That's It? Imagine how much more successfully you could have been if you could have explained to them what they were doing wrong and giving them a solution rather than just hitting them?





I know right, my 8th grader could be the president of a major corporation right now,
my 6th grader could have been the first female president but I spanked them and the
republicans dont accept 11 year old girls that have been spanked as serious
candidates.

they only accept them as a 'niece' on a trip to vegas


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23891193 - 12/03/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
I don't believe in doing it to little kids, teenagers it's fine.




You are an idiot, the world would be a better place if your parents drowned you in a bathtub.

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false. if you misbehave by pulling a knife on me then I'm going to correct your bad
behavior in an much more violent way, you'd be surprised at how quickly someone's
attitudes toward unprovoked violence changes when they're dead





First of all, false analogy, so your entire point here is worthless. Let's pretend like it's not a false analogy and continue -- in this specific scenario you would be justified in killing whoever pulled a knife on you. I've actually been in this scenario multiple times, and I have gone as far as throwing someone through a drywall to remediate the situation. This line of thought does not carry at all when it comes to correcting children's behavior, and to bring up someone pulling a knife on you is either disingenuous or stupid, pick one.

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I spanked my kids, they're both in the gifted program, my son is in honors classes,
volunteers his time, belongs in a couple of the school clubs including one that's
service oriented and the rocketry club. my daughter will likely do the same sorts
of things

99.999% of these papers are horse shit




Correlation does not equal causation, so once again this point is invalid. Honestly, it's a shame you couldn't find less violent parenting methods to produce the same result.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Crystal G]
    #23891195 - 12/03/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

People who grow up without physically discipline have less depression than kids who were punish in a different forum.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Crystal G]
    #23891205 - 12/03/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, just let it be known that countries that have some of the highest-achieving students in math and other subjects are countries that still practice corporal punishment in schools. South Korea, India, China...

I had a Korean tutor just like the guy in this video :rofl: we called him Uncle Hambing. Whenever we were rough-housing and acting up he spanked us with this bigass ruler. He was a lot easier on me because I was a girl though, he would sometimes leave welts and marks on the boys. 






when I was in school I was paddled at least 1 a month, sometimes more frequently and
it was both teachers and administration, I didnt mind it with some of those
teachers, in fact I kind of enjoyed it


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #23891211 - 12/03/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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As I get older I came to realized they  are better ways to get your point across to someone younger but it's not always easy to know what works so we just hit them, its easier and takes less work.




I had one really obnoxious student, very difficult to reach. His parents obviously beat him before one class, none of my business but I disagree with the punishment. He had literal piles of toys and video games which were the obvious culprit to my eye, too many distractions, too much instant gratification,  and the sheer number of trifles would make it all seem disposable / without value. An unruly kid being fed garbage psychologically, theres no point in a beating without addressing his environment and reward system first.

Its just easier to try and force a change in behavior instead of working on the underlying problems,.internalizing issues instead of resolving them.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23891214 - 12/03/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
Yeah, just let it be known that countries that have some of the highest-achieving students in math and other subjects are countries that still practice corporal punishment in schools. South Korea, India, China...

I had a Korean tutor just like the guy in this video :rofl: we called him Uncle Hambing. Whenever we were rough-housing and acting up he spanked us with this bigass ruler. He was a lot easier on me because I was a girl though, he would sometimes leave welts and marks on the boys. 






when I was in school I was paddled at least 1 a month, sometimes more frequently and
it was both teachers and administration, I didnt mind it with some of those
teachers, in fact I kind of enjoyed it





Sounds like you were a distraction to the educational system & and a rotton kid.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: falsereality]
    #23891225 - 12/03/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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falsereality said:
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Crystal G said:
I don't believe in doing it to little kids, teenagers it's fine.




You are an idiot, the world would be a better place if your parents drowned you in a bathtub.




are you angry that your parents made you go to time out to play with your toys?

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false. if you misbehave by pulling a knife on me then I'm going to correct your bad
behavior in an much more violent way, you'd be surprised at how quickly someone's
attitudes toward unprovoked violence changes when they're dead





First of all, false analogy, so your entire point here is worthless. Let's pretend like it's not a false analogy and continue -- in this specific scenario you would be justified in killing whoever pulled a knife on you. I've actually been in this scenario multiple times, and I have gone as far as throwing someone through a drywall to remediate the situation. This line of thought does not carry at all when it comes to correcting children's behavior, and to bring up someone pulling a knife on you is either disingenuous or stupid, pick one.




kill the first kid and the rest of them will behave

why didnt you just talk to them instead of throwing them through drywall



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I spanked my kids, they're both in the gifted program, my son is in honors classes,
volunteers his time, belongs in a couple of the school clubs including one that's
service oriented and the rocketry club. my daughter will likely do the same sorts
of things

99.999% of these papers are horse shit




Correlation does not equal causation, so once again this point is invalid. Honestly, it's a shame you couldn't find less violent parenting methods to produce the same result.





isnt that exactly what that paper is claiming, that students that get spanked are
less likely to be successful, that is in fact pointing out that correlation is
causation, you cant have the argument both ways


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Crystal G]
    #23891229 - 12/03/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
Yeah, just let it be known that countries that have some of the highest-achieving students in math and other subjects are countries that still practice corporal punishment in schools. South Korea, India, China...




Those are also shitholes, and having an over achiever who jumps out a window at work one day isnt a success story.

The age of enlightenment was about human dignity, not solving math problems.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #23891230 - 12/03/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sounds like you were a distraction to the educational system & and a rotton kid.




that sounds about accurate


there were also a lot of shitty teachers


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23891233 - 12/03/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It was too many words for me to read.

Thanks for the summery!


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #23891240 - 12/03/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I thought he was making a statement how the OP agreeded, so I came in with my opinion. I dont need some horse shut study to tell me the facts.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: falsereality]
    #23891242 - 12/03/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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falsereality said:
Quote:

Crystal G said:
I don't believe in doing it to little kids, teenagers it's fine.




You are an idiot, the world would be a better place if your parents drowned you in a bathtub.

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
false. if you misbehave by pulling a knife on me then I'm going to correct your bad
behavior in an much more violent way, you'd be surprised at how quickly someone's
attitudes toward unprovoked violence changes when they're dead





First of all, false analogy, so your entire point here is worthless. Let's pretend like it's not a false analogy and continue -- in this specific scenario you would be justified in killing whoever pulled a knife on you. I've actually been in this scenario multiple times, and I have gone as far as throwing someone through a drywall to remediate the situation. This line of thought does not carry at all when it comes to correcting children's behavior, and to bring up someone pulling a knife on you is either disingenuous or stupid, pick one.

Quote:

I spanked my kids, they're both in the gifted program, my son is in honors classes,
volunteers his time, belongs in a couple of the school clubs including one that's
service oriented and the rocketry club. my daughter will likely do the same sorts
of things

99.999% of these papers are horse shit




Correlation does not equal causation, so once again this point is invalid. Honestly, it's a shame you couldn't find less violent parenting methods to produce the same result.





Spanking is bad in your paradigm but you suggest murdering babies.
No way you were able to push someone through sheet rock?! I did that when I was 5...literally.  Try having a 12 gauge pulled on you..ended up beating that dudes ass.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23891253 - 12/03/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
when I was in school I was paddled at least 1 a month ... I didnt mind ... in fact I kind of enjoyed it






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Prisoner#1 said:
are you angry that your parents made you go to time out to play with your toys?





Not in the slightest. I actually quite enjoyed biking, hiking, back packing, camping etc. as a kid.

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kill the first kid and the rest of them will behave

why didnt you just talk to them instead of throwing them through drywall





Considering they actually stabbed me we were past the point of talking. Either way, your original point is still invalid which makes this line of conversation worthless when considering the core argument here.

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isnt that exactly what that paper is claiming, that students that get spanked are
less likely to be successful, that is in fact pointing out that correlation is
causation, you cant have the argument both ways





Apparently you were too busy getting paddled to learn the scientific method.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23891257 - 12/03/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Whoah I caught pris going back and completely editing his post so it wouldn't look like he wasn't making mush sense and getting beat in a argument & instead of everyone seeing that he completely changed everything.

I have never done that, only to fix spelling.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23891259 - 12/03/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
Yeah, just let it be known that countries that have some of the highest-achieving students in math and other subjects are countries that still practice corporal punishment in schools. South Korea, India, China...




Those are also shitholes, and having an over achiever who jumps out a window at work one day isnt a success story.

The age of enlightenment was about human dignity, not solving math problems.




South Korea, a shithole? This isn't the 1980's, perhaps you should research how developed other countries are a little more. :lol:

A huge part of the age of enlightenment was also about expansion of human knowledge, furthering your knowledge in mathematics, astronomy, philosophy, and the arts, etc.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23891261 - 12/03/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Spanking is bad in your paradigm but you suggest murdering babies.
No way you were able to push someone through sheet rock?! I did that when I was 5...literally.  Try having a 12 gauge pulled on you..ended up beating that dudes ass.




I only suggested murdering CrystalG as a baby, otherwise I'm against infanticide.

Cool story bro, it's irrelevant.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23891267 - 12/03/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Spanking is bad in your paradigm but you suggest murdering babies.






lol... I never said spanking was bad

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No way you were able to push someone through sheet rock?! I did that when I was 5...literally.




sheetrock is weak, studs make it stronger, spacing the studs on 24inch centers
reduces that strength. I can punch holes in sheetrock with ease, 3/8" and 1/2"
rock being the easiest.

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Try having a 12 gauge pulled on you..ended up beating that dudes ass.




well aint you just a tough guy


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