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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23892947 - 12/04/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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In the sense I meant it a question that isn't soliciting information but attempting to make a point.

You really need to pay more attention is school.



Nope. I was genuinely asking you for your honest answer.

You need to pay more attention when you read


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Webster10]
    #23892948 - 12/04/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So you didn't make a valid point then?  That's what I thought.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23892953 - 12/04/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you had answered the question, it would have proven my point. You do realize that you can use a question to make a point without the question being rhetorical, right?


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Webster10]
    #23892965 - 12/04/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I did answer it.  I said both would likely be fired.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Webster10]
    #23892966 - 12/04/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You're apparently "so smart" yet you need somebody to explain to you why a grown man slapping a little girl simply over SPEECH is uncouth? There's seriously no hope for you.



But in the hypothetical scenario, the grown man is a teacher, and the little girl is a student. So, it absolutely should be legal for him to slap her, right?



^^ this is the question I'm talking about. You replied but didn't answer.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #23892970 - 12/04/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So your argument is that it would be wrong for a teacher to slap a student because in some cases this would be inappropriate?

It should be legal in situations that warrant it.  There is no reason why someone should tolerate behavior like what is depicted in the video.  There are some people who do not respond to positive reinforcement and need to be shown their place.  Personally I would rather get slapped once or twice by a teacher than get kicked out of class should my behavior warrant it.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23892973 - 12/04/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes,that actually is my argument. Good job. Not only in some cases would it be inappropriate, but it'd be impossible to define the exact criteria that warrants a slap. The idea is literally just insane though. I'm not even sure why I'm concerning myself with something so dumb.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Webster10]
    #23892984 - 12/04/16 06:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well for one you sure could use the practice in persuasive writing.  Corporal punishment was and still is a reality for most of the world's students.  It's not actually that absurd.  When I look at students coming out of school into the workplace, and how they are lacking in essential character, I see it as an injustice to them that they were never taught respect and discipline properly.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23892985 - 12/04/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Are you suggesting that teachers being physically violent to their students would somehow make them better workers? :tinfoil:


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23892987 - 12/04/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That is the first half decent point you made, about the difficulty in determining the line between justified and non-justified slaps.  Especially on a forum where most of your audience won't stick with you for long, it pays to cut to the heart of your argument right off the bat and save the rhetoric for when your points are challenged.

You could say the same thing about expulsion from school though, which I think is more traumatic and damaging to any student.

Not just better workers, better people.  It's not that everyone needs to get slapped, but for the ones that do it is only harming them to allow them to think that they're above everyone else and that disrupting class to have fun is ok.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23892994 - 12/04/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No, expulsion from school and getting slapped by your teacher are two totally different things. Getting slapped would be a physically painful and embarrassing experience. The fact that it'd happen in the moment, in front of an entire class of your peers makes it even worse. Expulsion usually comes after multiple other correctional options have been explored already, it's not sudden, it's not physically hurtful and it doesn't happen directly in front of a class room full of other kids.

Look, the kids that act like dip shits in class are acting like that because they weren't raised right. Their parents didn't teach them better. It's not an educators job to slap the child into line behaviorally speaking. The teacher is there to educate. If they're being disrespectful, they could politely ask them to leave for the rest of class or have an administrator escort them out. This whole notion that teachers should have complete control over their students is bullshit. Teachers are there to educate. Not to control, command, dictate, physically hurt or embarrass you. That's what your parents are for.

What's your opinion of parents giving their children spankings?


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Webster10]
    #23892998 - 12/04/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think there is no way to draw the line between a sexual spanking and a punitive one.  I'm for waterboarding.

Also the ass whopping I would get for getting expelled would have made me wish I could have had someone slap me in the face before things went that far, and I can think of a greater embarrassment for a student.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23893001 - 12/04/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So, the punishment already in place(expulsion), in your opinion, would be WORSE than getting slapped in the face by the teacher? If that's true, then why would slapping, which according to your testimony is a milder disciplinary action than expulsion, have any effect on people's overall "merit?"


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Webster10]
    #23893007 - 12/04/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

For the same reason that "a slap in the face" gets used as a metaphor for a sudden awakening experience that allows one to see things in a new way. 

For me this makes the most sense:

Strike one: verbal reprimand
Strike two: slap or other corporal means of discipline
Strike three: removal from classroom

I think that kids are too often coddled these days, which is part of the reason why entitlement is becoming such a problem among the youth.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23893019 - 12/04/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that kids are too often coddled. You should see all of the liberal pussies I go to school with. But again, a teacher isn't the person that should be doling out that sort of punishment. If anything, the kid should get kicked out, and the teacher should call his/her parents later and explain why their child's actions are hindering every other students education and ask them to try to correct the problem before home before they have to get more involved. A teacher is supposed to be an educator, not a dictator.

I just know that if I had children, I sure as hell would never let another adult lay hands on them in an attempt to hurt them.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Webster10]
    #23893638 - 12/04/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes,that actually is my argument. Good job. Not only in some cases would it be inappropriate, but it'd be impossible to define the exact criteria that warrants a slap. The idea is literally just insane though. I'm not even sure why I'm concerning myself with something so dumb.




So what? What a weak argument. Should we also get rid of expulsion and suspension and detention too, because it's impossible to define the "exact criteria" that warrants these things? It's impossible to define "exact criteria" because we're talking about human behavior, not facts and spreadsheets.



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Look, the kids that act like dip shits in class are acting like that because they weren't raised right. Their parents didn't teach them better. It's not an educators job to slap the child into line behaviorally speaking. The teacher is there to educate. If they're being disrespectful, they could politely ask them to leave for the rest of class or have an administrator escort them out.




The whole thing about it is, kids like that act out in class because they think and know they can get away with it. The point isn't to hurt them, it's to get rebellious teenagers in line.

Let me guess, you would be the type that defends your kids when called into a parent-teacher conference meeting. Maybe you'd be the type to defend them even while they're sitting in jail.




As for my personal policy on Webster's question, the reason I thought it was a stupid question is because I do not believe there should be mixed-gender hitting in corporal punishment. The main reason is because psychologically it confuses underdeveloped girls and boys, and they might see an abusive partner as some form of love in the future.

Edit: this doesn't mean that girls are immune from getting slapped, just that they should be slapped by women.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Crystal G]
    #23893712 - 12/04/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I do not believe there should be mixed-gender hitting in corporal punishment. The main reason is because psychologically it confuses underdeveloped girls and boys, and they might see an abusive partner as some form of love in the future.

Edit: this doesn't mean that girls are immune from getting slapped, just that they should be slapped by women.




But what if some of the kids are gay?


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Crystal G]
    #23893719 - 12/04/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You're apparently "so smart" yet you need somebody to explain to you why a grown man slapping a little girl simply over SPEECH is uncouth? There's seriously no hope for you.





but it's OK for a grown woman to slap a little boy


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23893747 - 12/04/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't recall her saying that, unless you consider high school students to be little children.


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Re: It should be legal for teachers to slap high school students [Re: Eminence]
    #23894208 - 12/04/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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But what if some of the kids are gay?




That's always something to consider, I always often wondered about this myself when contemplating why the two sexes were separated in bathrooms. "What if they're gay," well that's a good point. But the school board really can't ask about a student's sexual orientation, so it should therefore remain that way, unless a student comes forward and says they're homosexual and therefore they would prefer to be physically reprimanded by the opposite sex, which I really can't see happening.


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