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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23888646 - 12/02/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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fungi is a living organism. typically, living things do not grow molds. dead and decaying things are what molds like. thats why food in your refrigerator spoils, but the same food out in the field attached to its plant will not succumb to molds.

so when your substrate reaches 100%, the whole thing is now a living organism, continuously reproducing and creating new mycelium cells. as it ages, it stops producing mycelium, the older mycelium dies, and then becomes susceptible to molds.




with fully colonized grain jars it seems obvious that the mycelium is occupying the grains and therefore nothing else can grow, but how does it work when we break up the jars for spawning?

is the mycelium still coating all the grains even though we can't see the white, and thus the grains stay resistant?

or is it more that the grains do become exposed but the myc recovers so fast that it takes over anything else that would be trying to grow?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23888655 - 12/02/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I also have had PF jars contam, left them in cabinet for months, came back, and they appear totally fine. I didn't understand how/why.

I feel like there's some animosity towards me now.  I don't get it. I'm just trying to learn and get better at this.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter] * 1
    #23888680 - 12/02/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That is not what is happening you guys..

Cubensis does not completely overtake living contaminants.  Nobody said that.  But holy crap the second someone suggested something somewhat like it (spores) might be possible, everyone really popped out of the woodwork there..  If you see white, then green, then white again, the chance of that being cubensis mycelium is extraordinarily low.  Will definitely require pics for convincing.  Not that you need to convince me, but let's start with convincing at least a few people who've been here doing this a while.

Also there's really no animosity, I'm sure if there were tone and inflection and whatnot going on you could read that this is more of a concern than a dislike, I just want to see you do well and not fall into the thought traps that keep you in one place doing the same shit for too long.  That's what people who've been doing stuff longer than you are for.  This is the human continuation of knowledge, don't take it personally.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #23888701 - 12/02/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well i dont have pictures but youre right noc


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47] * 1
    #23888707 - 12/02/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah.. I come off pretty salty but I want to see everybody here succeed otherwise I wouldn't vocalize my disappointment in easily avoidable failures so much.  Sorry if I ever rub anybody the wrong way but..do you like it hard and fast or slow and painful? 


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #23888712 - 12/02/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I am simply observing, I am in no way claiming anything other than what appeared to be myc overtaking a contam.  I am not bragging but I do have a pretty good eye and am definately a logical thinker.
I think what Moab is referring to is how at times it seems the more experienced cultivators become slightly annoyed by what they know as fact but we noobs are still grasping at perhaps.
That is why I like this particular thread it feels like a "safe zone" to not read UTFSF repeatedly :lol:
I know for myself I simply want to emulate the sucsess of those before me, the only way I know to do this is to read, observe,and ask questions.  :grin:  Its how I became a chef, a father and a husband.
Thanks again to all who have laid the ways before us. 
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Edit: we are on the same page Innoc :thumbup:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23888731 - 12/02/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Some species and gemus of musjrooms are better with contams..cubrs unfortunately are not


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23888738 - 12/02/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's the uncolonized media we are keeping sterile not the colony. Fact is that mushroom mycelium in a colonizing and vigorous state will eat spores.



So they will cannabalize their own spores?





Yes but not in th way you think. When we fruit a substrate over a few flushes and spores are left on it those for the most part will not be consumed as the colony is exhausted. But on a fresh vigorous sub they will consume some spores of many species, including their own.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23888739 - 12/02/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I havent made PF cakes in literally over 3-4 months.

These 10000000% had green mold. That's why I put them in the cabinet and didn't fruit them as cakes before. Ill look up an exact time frame here in just a minute. But I know these contaminated, and I chose not to mix them to bulk like I'd do with the rest of my cakes.

Whether or not it's healthy Mycelium, I don't know. But it is white, and smells exactly of mushrooms.

Two other jars from the same batch, I fruited invitro in the jars, and got 4-6 flushes before contaminating again.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23888748 - 12/02/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It will resurface


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
    #23888758 - 12/02/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23888764 - 12/02/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I havent made PF cakes in literally over 3-4 months.

These 10000000% had green mold. That's why I put them in the cabinet and didn't fruit them as cakes before. Ill look up an exact time frame here in just a minute. But I know these contaminated, and I chose not to mix them to bulk like I'd do with the rest of my cakes.

Whether or not it's healthy Mycelium, I don't know. But it is white, and smells exactly of mushrooms.

Two other jars from the same batch, I fruited invitro in the jars, and got 4-6 flushes before contaminating again.






Don't happen to have any pictures of the mold too, do you?  Kind of need a picture of each stage to see exactly what happened.  Those do look funky but there's some cubensis there.  It doesn't exactly go away either, it just kind of stops.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23888770 - 12/02/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just went and took pics for you guys. 4 jars left. Months and months old for a fact.

I'd bet money the top and bottom ones come back around fine. The middle ones look like they never had mycelium to begin with.

I spread them out to increase GE and see what happens.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
    #23888786 - 12/02/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It will resurface




I feel like I can already see the spots is going to show up in.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23888790 - 12/02/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Just went and took pics for you guys. 4 jars left. Months and months old for a fact.

I'd bet money the top and bottom ones come back around fine. The middle ones look like they never had mycelium to begin with.

I spread them out to increase GE and see what happens.






Like I was saying..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #23888803 - 12/02/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I need to roll them in verm and mist more. They get kind of dry as they aren't a priority, I'm just fruiting them to see what happens. I bet a million dollars I get mushrooms. They're months old. Had green and blue molds in the beginning. From what I can see, they don't now. It simply seems like the myc over ran the mold, or in time the mold died off.


I could be talking out my ass. I'm a noob still learning. I'm just posting what I'm seeing


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23888830 - 12/02/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We have seen shrooms on contaminated shit its nothing new...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
    #23888852 - 12/02/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We have seen shrooms on contaminated shit its nothing new...






lol you're busting my balls for no reason.

I have a trich tub with shrooms. Yeah. Sure.


These are over 4 month old PF cakes, that originally had blue and green molds, that now APPEAR fine.

Not some bulk sub that contaminated and pushingnout a few shrooms.


Totally fucked jars, that now appear totally fine. We'll see what happens.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
    #23888860 - 12/02/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We have seen shrooms on contaminated shit its nothing new...






You ever seen 4 month old PF cakes that had contaminated, overrun the contam, and fruit just fine?


Nope. You haven't.


If you have, I'd like to see an example.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23888871 - 12/02/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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