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Kinshino
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Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom?
#23888081 - 12/02/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So right now I'm tripping pretty hard off two grams of some lovely penis envy shrooms. The only thing that's different is that I included more caps. Is it proven that caps carry more psilocybin? In my experience, it does. What are you guys take?
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Kinshino]
#23888102 - 12/02/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Typical analysis results indicate that caps are a slight bit more potent than stems.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Kinshino]
#23888122 - 12/02/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: SizlChest]
#23888166 - 12/02/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, caps are usually very potent for me. Most things in nature have more alkaloids in certain parts of the organism.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Gaspard]
#23888185 - 12/02/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd say no.
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Gaspard said: Yes, caps are usually very potent for me. Most things in nature have more alkaloids in certain parts of the organism.
This holds truth but technically the mycelium is the largest part of the organism, hence the 'fruit.'
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: larry.fisherman]
#23888198 - 12/02/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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XLCaps said: I'd say no.
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Gaspard said: Yes, caps are usually very potent for me. Most things in nature have more alkaloids in certain parts of the organism.
This holds truth but technically the mycelium is the largest part of the organism, hence the 'fruit.'
Every fruit in nature has a stem, technically the fruit would be the cap, which is the part that holds the spores (seeds).
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: SizlChest] 1
#23888255 - 12/02/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Blazer420] 2
#23888266 - 12/02/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eat 7 grams of stems than get back to us with a trip report OP.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
#23888298 - 12/02/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Paul Stamets books claim caps contain higher level of actives.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Headrush]
#23888354 - 12/02/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I should've gotten a poll to get things goin. I'm going with yes, caps do contain more psilocybin. I'm living the trip right now, and my trip is stronger because I included more caps in the mix.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Headrush] 1
#23888358 - 12/02/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Headrush said: Paul Stamets books claim caps contain higher level of actives.
Anyone who has made side by side experiments would agree. It's not like caps are extremely more potent than stems though, i would say caps are like 30% more potent.
Edited by Gaspard (12/02/16 05:39 PM)
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Gaspard]
#23888477 - 12/02/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So the concensus is that caps do in fact contain more psilocybin content.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Kinshino]
#23888495 - 12/02/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what? Why just eat the caps when the stems contain psilocybin too?
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Gaspard] 1
#23888505 - 12/02/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No it's nowhere near 30% more potent. More like a fraction of a percent. Really small amounts are found in mushrooms to start.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Morel Guy] 2
#23888538 - 12/02/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No they don't. The only study I've ever seen that claimed otherwise was so full of lameness it needed a wheelchair to get around - we are talking researchers who couldn't grow worthwhile fruits to save their life. In years of tripping I've never seen a difference other than that letting the caps open fully actually lowers the overall potency.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23888553 - 12/02/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: No it's nowhere near 30% more potent. More like a fraction of a percent. Really small amounts are found in mushrooms to start.
Okay, if caps are not really that much more potent, 3,5 grams of caps only shouldn't be much of a big deal right?
Do an experiment and report back
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23888580 - 12/02/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Typical analysis results indicate that caps are a slight bit more potent than stems.
The real question should be could you tell if 7grms caps were more potent than 7grms stems, I say no, so if you viewed things that way then caps and stems are equal.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Gaspard]
#23888585 - 12/02/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gaspard said:
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Morel Guy said: No it's nowhere near 30% more potent. More like a fraction of a percent. Really small amounts are found in mushrooms to start.
Okay, if caps are not really that much more potent, 3,5 grams of caps only shouldn't be much of a big deal right?
Do an experiment and report back
You wouldn't be able to notice from 3.5 grams of caps or 3.5 grams of stems.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
#23888650 - 12/02/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They will both kill you... if you eat the wrong ones.
Respect both equally.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
#23888652 - 12/02/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's sad for KSSS if true though.

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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23889727 - 12/03/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never weighed out what I ate so it doesn't make much difference if it's stems or caps.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Kinshino]
#25237035 - 05/29/18 08:13 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've noticed that every time I bought shrooms off the black market, the dealer called them Penis Envy. Every strain was Penis Envy and they always say something like "I threw in more caps for ya, bud". I never trust anything a dealer tells me when it comes to mushrooms.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Wulfgeir]
#25237789 - 05/30/18 08:27 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I once had this 45 year old dude ask me for shrooms and then said "if there's not a lot caps then keep them"
I laughed so hard
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Lucis]
#25237923 - 05/30/18 09:47 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fennario said:
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Morel Guy said: Typical analysis results indicate that caps are a slight bit more potent than stems.
The real question should be could you tell if 7grms caps were more potent than 7grms stems, I say no, so if you viewed things that way then caps and stems are equal.
this.
additionally, one's perception of strength can be reinforced by suggestion, meaning that if one believes something is different (stronger/weaker/etc), it is likely to be perceived as different.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: relic]
#25238047 - 05/30/18 10:47 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have always heard that caps have slightly higher levels of psychoactive chemicals. I'm not sure if that's true, but I assume it has some merit because I heard/read it from people who presumably know more about it than I do. That being the case, when I weigh out multiple doses, I tend to weigh caps and stems separately. I divvy them up proportionally in each dose with the intent of achieving as much chemical consistency as possible. Still, the levels can vary from shroom to shroom, so you can never be exactly certain what you're going to get, but you can make an educated guess. As far as I know, any difference experienced may be entirely based on user expectations, but I enjoy putting the caps on a pedestal.
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Grind everything up and mix well then dose should be pretty consistent I would imagine.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Kinshino]
#25238326 - 05/30/18 01:03 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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caps probably have like 3% more actives or something. nothing ever noticeable.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#25238432 - 05/30/18 02:10 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's a bogus debate based on bogus "information" from some bogus studies many years ago done by people who didn't have a clue.
tl;dr OF COURSE THEY DO, ARE YOU STOOPID OR WHAT?
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
#25238537 - 05/30/18 03:01 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I once had this 45 year old dude ask me for shrooms and then said "if there's not a lot caps then keep them"
I laughed so hard
One time my friend said his okd school friend wanted to know if they're all caps.
I told him he sounded like a noob
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Kinshino]
#25238542 - 05/30/18 03:04 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kinshino said: I should've gotten a poll to get things goin. I'm going with yes, caps do contain more psilocybin. I'm living the trip right now, and my trip is stronger because I included more caps in the mix.
"Stronger because I included more caps"
Or it's just different because of one of the multidude of variables that impact a trip. Like set, setting, mind state
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#25238696 - 05/30/18 04:11 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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And placebo. "Capcebo" effect.
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#25238757 - 05/30/18 04:54 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I was thinking that too
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Re: Are Caps More Potent Than the Whole Mushroom? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#25239086 - 05/30/18 07:42 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: And placebo. "Capcebo" effect. 
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