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InvisibleTheMadHatter420
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Is it to late to case???
    #23887767 - 12/02/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So I got 2 mini monos. They are only 1-2 days away from full colonization. I didn't have enough vermiculite to case when I made them. I prefer to case. I got some vermiculite today. Is it still ok to put a thin layer of vermiculite on them. ***fruiting has NOT been initiated yet***


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23887814 - 12/02/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Verm only is not the best casing material IMO.
Why don't you use coir/verm?
You can case it if you want. You do not have to do it. It depends on you. I apply my casing layer after 100% colonization. PH adjusted pot flower soil / verm.


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23888279 - 12/02/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Mini monos aye?
Wait till 100% but don't let it go long past 100% coll....
Want to case before the sub consolidates, but after the whole surface is colonized.

As enlightenment recommends, Verm alone is not the best casing.
Typically we mix peatmoss & Verm 50/50 and adjust ph with some form of lime.... Not crushed oyster shells btw.
Pasteurize your casing prior to application and make sure you have enough casing material left over to "patch" when the rhyzomes start poking up through from the colony below.
Patching will give you a better/fuller canopy for your first flush.
Try to get the first casing later as even as possible.

I've had beautiful flushes casing 3" subs with 3/4" of casing.
I used jar lids as a depth guide...
Lay the clean lids down on the surface of the 10% colled sub then sprinkle your casing on to the depth of the rings.... Lift the rings, smooth out (don't pack) the casing then repeat with the lids.
Tiny valleys in the casing provide the perfect microclimate for primordia (pins) to develop.


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23888908 - 12/02/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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enlightenment said:
Verm only is not the best casing material IMO.
Why don't you use coir/verm?





Because coir has nutrients while peat moss doesn't really?

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Jabensis said:
I've had beautiful flushes casing 3" subs with 3/4" of casing.
I used jar lids as a depth guide





That is a good idea. I'm gonna do that. How much lime are you using? I feel I tend to overuse it. My soil pH meter is garbage hah.


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: IAMNOTALLAMA]
    #23889194 - 12/02/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well when I did trays and cased when making them I used vermiculite only. I have read about other stuff causing trich. There may be better but I am used to using verm only. I do have some left over coir in a sealed container that I could mix with it. I do like that I don't have to pasturize verm as it has no real nutritional value so it alone will not grow trich.


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: IAMNOTALLAMA]
    #23889196 - 12/02/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

coir is a exception to a lot of cult rules.

it can be used as bulk, casing, substrate.
you can cook it. past. even PC.
the argument of the nute value of coco isnt something to concern yourself with. IMO

ive even used completely un treated coir in a casing mix.
i just used hot water to make a small batch of cvg to top fruit a jar.
was A-OK.


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: mushboy]
    #23889401 - 12/02/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well I may try using the rest of my coir mixed in with verm. Any reca mendations on how much lime per quart casing mat? I got some hydrated lime that I got from one of the sponsors and some gypsum, just looking for a usage ratio


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23889409 - 12/02/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i dont use lime. no clue.

gypsum is a heavy pinching.. i dunno like a big spoonful? per bacth
you dont need much.


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: mushboy]
    #23889627 - 12/03/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

But to answer your original question, I'd recommend not casing this late in the game. I've tried casing late. Doesn't work well, if at all.


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: IAMNOTALLAMA]
    #23889657 - 12/03/16 03:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fruiting hasn't been initiated yet. It's not too late at all, actually it's a bit early lol


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23889676 - 12/03/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well I'm doing something wrong then. I've had nothing but problems with casing after bulk colonization is complete.


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Re: Is it to late to case??? [Re: IAMNOTALLAMA]
    #23889679 - 12/03/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Odd. I almost always case then fruit at full colonization, and get some sexy results. Whenever I had a contamination, it seemed to just be because that particular substrate was weak AF, probably due to bacterial spawn.


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