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Adding spawn while fruiting monotub
    #23886732 - 12/02/16 06:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have some monotubs of penis envy, texans and golden teachers. This was my first grow but I recently found out that my spawn to substrate ratio was way off so this is where my question comes in.

I have some newly colonised and consolidated jars can I add some to the bulk substrate before or after the first flush? Also after dunking?


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: PsychedelicLion]
    #23886791 - 12/02/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No, don't do that


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: PsychedelicLion]
    #23886792 - 12/02/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You've already made your bed, now lay in it.  Take your other jars and start new mono tubs.  You can't just add spawn whenever.  What makes you think your ratio is waaaay off?  The search engine works great, btw.

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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: WeavieWonder]
    #23886799 - 12/02/16 07:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I used about 1 quart for a whole monotub. Grain to coir/verm. I got really small first flush but now i want to know can i get another flush from these tubs? By dunking for instance because they were colonising for 3 weeks before pinning and its been almost 2 weeks since then. Many pins were forming only few turned into mushrooms and the rest aborted.

Ive searched many times for advice on this can anyone help?


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: PsychedelicLion]
    #23886813 - 12/02/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like environmental issues than a spawn ratio issue if you're having that many issues.

You should take pics of your newly colonized jars.


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: Mad Season]
    #23886825 - 12/02/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Here are some photos of some jars. Well I started fanning my monotubs after the first fruits came up and also added polyfill. Was fanning because I was paranoid about FAE. I realize now i shouldnt have fanned. I misted regularly as well, don't know if this was wrong?

The temperature here went up considerably and avg during the day is around 28°C. What do you think caused the abort and how can I rescue it?



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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: PsychedelicLion]
    #23886888 - 12/02/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How long have those been at 100% colonization? They look bacterial.

If your other jars looked like that as well, bacteria could be a reason for aborts. What do your monotubs look like? Post a pic. How often were you fanning? If you weren't misting enough to make up for fanning, low humidity could be your culprit. Alternatively, if you added too much poly and misted too heavily, low FAE can cause aborts too.


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: Mad Season]
    #23886939 - 12/02/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

He used one quart of spawn for some MASSIVE tubs my dude. He's got another thread about it. Looks like the spawn was bacterial too tho.


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: r.lutece]
    #23886962 - 12/02/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

They are going for day 7 of 100% colonisation. Why would you say bacterial? All the condensation? Because I think the picture quality is just bad, the mycelium looks healthy and strong and no yellow exudates that would suggest it is fighting something such as bacteria.

I was fanning about 5 to 6 times a day because I was not sure that the tub was dialed in properly and I misted the walls of the container every time it got dry about 3 times a day. But as I mentioned they were sitting long for colonisation so maybe the substrate dried out too much. Also I smelled the jars and they were really healthy by all measures.

My ultimate question is whether or not I will be able to get a few more fruits from these. As i only got small flushes with the texan and golden teachers the penis envy is yet to flush. Any ideas like dunking, turning, casing anything that might work to produce a few more fruits. I want this and not to restart over because i need to leave them for holiday in about 15 days.





The one at the top is the GT they produced many pins but only a few matured and the other tub is 2/3 penis envy ( yet to pin or fruit fanning and polyfill in for 10 days and stopped fanning 3 days ago ) the other 1/3 is texans and the produced few pins large mushrooms almost the same yield as the teachers. The verm on the teachers was my attempt at the beginning to make a very thin casing more just for moisture and microclimate at the top.


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: Dactylium]
    #23886967 - 12/02/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Dactylium yes I created this thread for an idea i had to get another few fruits but yes i have learned that the low spawn ratio was my major flaw. I would also properly dial in my tub next time done a ton of research on that.


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: PsychedelicLion]
    #23886970 - 12/02/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Those jars look fine to me, why do you think they're bacterial? It looks like they're a little past their prime spawn run and are munching down and consolidating that grain spawn to me.


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: PsychedelicLion]
    #23886975 - 12/02/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah those jars are extremely bacterial lol. Thick cottage cheese morphology, wet spots and the texture all scream bacteria.

Bacteria can have a faint scent too. With the musk of mushrooms in there, often times you can't even smell bacteria. Trust your eyes and the morphology. Mycelium reacts to everything good and bad.

BTW low spawn ratios don't mean you'll have shit yields. Outdoors theres literally no spawn ratios, but you can still have epic yields. I've done superspawning indoors and had decent yields, and those were done with a pint of spawn.

There's a reason why I said it isn't a spawn ratio issue, yes you'll have an increased yield with a high ratio, but you shouldn't have mostly aborts with a low ratio. That is definitely environment/contam related.


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: Mad Season]
    #23887229 - 12/02/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hi Mad season I will try to upload new pictures tommorow I think you guys have it wrong with the bacteria. And okay so then my problem was with environmental factors, if it was not spawn ratio.

But I can see how the spawn ratio daoes influence yield because it wil not easilly fully colonise the substrate and thus wil not really consolidate before fruiting.

I will be dunking the tubs in 4 days. To see if i can get another flush.


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: PsychedelicLion]
    #23887233 - 12/02/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It looks bacterial IMO.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21890806#21890806 bacteria in spawn. You can also get it from prepping the substrate too wet. If you read in the link it explains what happened when I spawned bacterial spawn.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/remlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=149430&F_Board=22&Thread=21936821&Main=21936535

Read both of those thoroughly.




Trust me it's battling bacteria. If you read in the link I say that clean spawn is the hardest part of the hobby. I'm not lying. It's much more tedious than anyone at first imagines.

Yeah you might be lucky it even colonized, but if it did, it doesn't just turn to shit. Also no bulk substrates ever need consolidation. That's only relevant for pf tek where it's high in nutrients and needs time to digest them.


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: PsychedelicLion]
    #23887242 - 12/02/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

are you misting in any fashion?

the pics are slightly blurry but i almost looks like the surface is really dry.

the separated thing is interesting.


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Re: Adding spawn while fruiting monotub [Re: Mad Season]
    #23887269 - 12/02/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Mad Season

I read those now and I see what you mean about the looks. I will be looking into this. I must say the photos of the clean ones is how my jars look when I use PF tek as opposed to grain. I found grain colonises much faster though.

Mushboy

I was misting till a few days ago and misted when walls were dry i misted today because I wanted to check the humidity after i redialed my tubs but saw they needed moisture. I agree it is a bit dry maybe I should do the dunk sooner. Yes i used the seperation method to identify some jars I marked pporly.


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