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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23892912 - 12/04/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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they arent as big a deal as some make out to be here on the boards, and they like any other powerful medicine can be abused and cause serious harm.

I see them purely for medicinal reasons or coming of age/rite of passage ritual. I see a theme or pattern of Humans becoming "stuck" in molds so to speak , unlike other animals on the planet.  Its a kind of sickness i suppose ...  psychedelics can if done responsibly in certain conditions  for certain disorders allow one to be unstuck for a time, and get a shove in the right direction.




Just because you don't believe psychedelics are a 'big deal' does not mean the TRUTH is that.
If psychedelics had not been a big deal to the human species then how come they are the very central cource of mythologies, religion, and philosophy, and creative innovation.

And how come almost globally they are a number one controlled drug?

IE someone IS seeing them as a big deal, ey?


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #23892918 - 12/04/16 05:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think you need to de-emphasize your scriptural (philosophical) load, and increase your practice (functional enlightenment).
The benefits of psychedelics are not listed in Buddhist cannon:

a) Buddhism is a culture and a religion as well as being a spiritual path, so the content is sanitized to ensure that the social integration is impeccable. (how would the "temples" receive so much public support if there were pro-drug content in scripture?).

b) Psychedelics as well as any mental practice can take a dark path or a light one. They clearly do not guarantee anything like enlightenment (MK-ULTRA for instance).

c) when it comes to mind control, after studying about ctta etc., the true-est thing is that we do not control mind, however we can cultivate mind through habit - association (==attachment) is the fabric of mind, things that happen together are joined in memory, things that are like each other are joined in memory. Understanding that enables a kind of control of the (future) reactions of the self through concerted efforts in the now of cultivating connections (practice). Those reactions are in control. Mind control is all about cultivation and triggering what is within the mind (which amounts to what has accrued including what has been cultivated).
It is an investment in associations so that beneficial reactions will be triggered - this is the practice.


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: zzripz]
    #23893402 - 12/04/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

here's a cult alright



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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23894226 - 12/04/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I think you need to de-emphasize your scriptural (philosophical) load, and increase your practice (functional enlightenment).
The benefits of psychedelics are not listed in Buddhist cannon:

a) Buddhism is a culture and a religion as well as being a spiritual path, so the content is sanitized to ensure that the social integration is impeccable. (how would the "temples" receive so much public support if there were pro-drug content in scripture?).

b) Psychedelics as well as any mental practice can take a dark path or a light one. They clearly do not guarantee anything like enlightenment (MK-ULTRA for instance).

c) when it comes to mind control, after studying about ctta etc., the true-est thing is that we do not control mind, however we can cultivate mind through habit - association (==attachment) is the fabric of mind, things that happen together are joined in memory, things that are like each other are joined in memory. Understanding that enables a kind of control of the (future) reactions of the self through concerted efforts in the now of cultivating connections (practice). Those reactions are in control. Mind control is all about cultivation and triggering what is within the mind (which amounts to what has accrued including what has been cultivated).
It is an investment in associations so that beneficial reactions will be triggered - this is the practice.




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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: zzripz]
    #23899275 - 12/06/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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zzripz said:
here's a cult alright






seeing there seems little interest amongst others here to do with this fascinating subject matter, I choose for now then to wonder and ask questions myself to myself what ever THAT is?

Is it possible to not be part of a cult?

What is the etymology of 'cult'?


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cult (n.) Look up cult at Dictionary.com
    1610s, "worship," also "a particular form of worship," from French culte (17c.), from Latin cultus "care, labor; cultivation, culture; worship, reverence," originally "tended, cultivated," past participle of colere "to till" (see colony). Rare after 17c.; revived mid-19c. with reference to ancient or primitive rituals. Meaning "a devotion to a person or thing" is from 1829.

        Cult. An organized group of people, religious or not, with whom you disagree. [Rawson]





worship and reverance to a god, to an idea, to a person, and/or persons.

because you usually get that in what is mostly known about cults. A very charismatic individual has power over the other usually VERY needy cultists, and there is a hierarchy of initiations with this individual at the top.

We see how emotion is manipulated. In the Christian cult the emotion is centralized around an image of 'Jesus' who was 'very good' and was the 'only Son of God' and be gets tortured and crucified to death, and believers are told he 'died for our sins'. So this is extreme emotional conditioning towards this central figure and also guilt that he went through that for 'me'.

Real critical questioning in such cults are not allowed. And in cults like Freemasonary you are initiated and told you must not share anything about what goes on as an insider. And there are secret handshakes, and body language and symbols etc which are used as a secret form of code of communication between the members of the cult.


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #23899514 - 12/06/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

many many cults

consider this:


https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080719071811AA4821P

"Is the US military a cult?

A friend sent me this and got me thinking. What are your thoughts!?

BEWARE OF WEIRD CULT WHICH:

Uses promises of money, a job or other favors to recruit people.
Indoctrinates beginners in an armed camp until they're thoroughly
brainwashed.
Employs terror, assassination, murder or threats thereof.
Is particularly interested in the young and those who follow orders
without question.
Holds against their will members who want to leave.
Goes by many names, eg: The Service, military, Armed Forces, ROTC,
JROTC, recruiters, Defense, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, National
Guard, Green Beret."

more at website

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the abuse of the spiritual side of psychedelics is also not new
the Maya of central america were possibly the most sadistic people ever & used psychedelics
and all over the world shamanism has had a dark side, with spells and darts etc. for ages

mind control is an interesting subject - if you look at the video i just posted in the american dream thread with N. Chomsky, it becomes apparent most of us had & have no real idea of what is going on in the world  - the same is true as regards Edward Bernays -  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=EDWARD+BERNAYS --
who invented 'public relations' - and persuaded women to smoke by associating it with the women's liberation movement in the usa - a truly evil genius - behind much of capitalism

it's not a hidden story, but is totally ignored by the media and educational system , which i suppose one could say has some cult like elements --- how about culture? - possibly some might  just conclude that 'freedom' is usually a myth ... even plenty of jokes about marriage and 'freedom' --
-- and not to forget people like to further limit themselves by joining all kinds of unnecessary groups - such as becoming sports fans of a specific team - and expending great energy, expense and emotion over something totally arbitrary and meaningless -- and getting together in big groups and behaving idiotically -- but it's considered normal -- so some such tendencies can't be blamed entirely on manipulators, it would seem -- interesting to wonder about --- why are so many folks such joiners? -- interesting to wonder about ....


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: laughingdog]
    #23900504 - 12/06/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

"Is the US military a cult?

OMFG yes! And like other cults will use all forms of propaganda, symbols etc etc in irder to trick 'the lower classes' to join up.

Politicians declare wars, soldiers fight them.

Many come from this culture which is extremely oppressive and makes it so that many young men feel they have limited options, jobs of drudgery, crime, or poverty, and up pop the army cult vids etc promising 'adventure', and 'qualifications' and they fall for it cause they are already dumbed down by the cult of 'education' and mass media. Like you see--so many cults!

There is the cult of materialism, and consumerism. So you can come out of cults like 'The Family Cult' or the army cult, or the Christian cult etc and you now in the consumer cult! You worship it.

As I point out on the 'American Dream' thread, so-called experts like Noam Chomsky are also cult leaders. He will say 'looking into/asking questions about the JFK assassination or the 9/11 attacks is pointless. "who cares?1 and will get rounds of applause by his many sychophantic followers who rely on his every word and mannerism. To defy his 'great intellectual knowledge' by asking further questions is, in such circles, sacrilegious!

So THAT is a big clue to know if your in a cult--try asking questions and see what happens!


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: zzripz]
    #23900567 - 12/06/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Some cults are about getting away from other cults.  I see them all the time.  Have been in some, mainly by accident and left quietly after getting a clue.  The military industrial complex has many cults - uniforms/costumes and all :lmafo: .  Joining groups is an interesting phenomenon, the range is vast.


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #23900825 - 12/06/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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zzripz said:
"Is the US military a cult?

OMFG yes! ..... so-called experts like Noam Chomsky are also cult leaders. ....
So THAT is a big clue to know if your in a cult--try asking questions and see what happens!




Not sure what power you think Chomsky is wielding, or what you think his secret agenda is. He is not into drugging or killing people, like some other examples discussed here.
He sells his books and lectures, he doesn't run for office. And their are numerous videos, on youtube, of him being interviewed and asked questions that challenge his views and answering those questions, patiently and calmly in great detail, which is the opposite of demagoguery. His views are mostly liberal and humane.

I get that you don't like his views on what you consider to be important conspiracies, but to jump from that to proclaiming him to be a cult leader, seems as lacking in critical thought, as the mindsets that get folks into cults.

or in the vernacular:  chill dude


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: laughingdog]
    #23902260 - 12/07/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I get that you don't like his views on what you consider to be important conspiracies, but to jump from that to proclaiming him to be a cult leader, seems as lacking in critical thought, as the mindsets that get folks into cults.

or in the vernacular:  chill dude




... lol, well, taking that advice to rather critically look at, rather than be patronized into doing. A central way cults operate is to shame a person for asking questions. of course shaming is putting it mildyl if you look at the Christian cult's history. To question the entrenched beliefs was to get you charged as being a heretic where you could be literally burned alive.

In many New age cults the shaming is to be charged with being 'negative', because they pretend to be all 'positivity and light', so to question that must mean you are ruining that and causing negativity. This is a devious way to shut you the f up, and of course have other gang members attack you.

A recent video I have linked to (see latest one in the American Dream thread) we see Chomsky on his podium, and a member of the audience is asking a question about his stance on the 9/11 attacks.

You can sense (I can) the atmosphere is not friendly towards his questioning 'the great Noam Chomsky who holds different views', and Chomksy seems to have the geek looking security figure on stage with him who impatiently pressurizes the questioner to get on with the question quickly, totally not understanding that it is a complex question...obviously duh. And one would think that readers and listeners who can navigate through his labourious intellectually academicy books and talks would HAVE such patience, riiight? But no.

Then we see that when Chomsky responds to the questions, which for any intelligent person who is familiar with the 9/11 investigation is wholly pathetic and inadequate and uninformed, every thing that comes out of his mumbling mouth is applauded and hurrayed. And you are telling me that is not cult like behaviour...?

Me pointing this out is not being not 'chilled' but me looking at, and asking questions of. That is my freedom. Especially about such deep and important issues such as this.

Cults are notorious for trying to stifle questioning.


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: zzripz]
    #23902414 - 12/07/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

They love when you question yourself right into their neat little packaged answer that is bullet proof from critical thinking and somehow instills a sense of it being resonate with your own discernment.

Basically make someone feel schizophrenic or depersonalized/dissociated/isolated if they leave the cults belief/thought matrix-system.

If they get you to believe at a near core level then more than likely it will take great outside influence to help someone detox from such propaganda/programming.

on a side note , but related - Have you ever seen martha may marcy marlene? it is a movie that depicts what many people frequently experience after being separated from a cult that they have invested in.


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23902631 - 12/07/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
- Have you ever seen martha may marcy marlene? it is a movie that depicts what many people frequently experience after being separated from a cult that they have invested in.




Watch martha may marcy marlene free at:

http://123movies.is/film/martha-marcy-may-marlene-13724/watching.html


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23903015 - 12/07/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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on a side note , but related - Have you ever seen martha may marcy marlene? it is a movie that depicts what many people frequently experience after being separated from a cult that they have invested in.




No, I'd like to see it. Can you link this thread to it?

#ooops didn't see above link. gonna check it later


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: zzripz]
    #23904932 - 12/07/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Brings back memories


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23909035 - 12/09/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I quit watching when it turned into a Manson reverie so perhaps I missed the gist of your example of either all cults are murderous or that the re-education of murderous cult members is a lost cause.


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #23909054 - 12/09/16 02:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I didnt have a point other than its a movie about someone leaving a cult so there are some semblences to others who have left cults at least psychologically.


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23909066 - 12/09/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
Brings back memories




How can we get you to wax eloquently; was it an Eastern influence? (edit typo Easter that we may liken to eggs at an impressionable age perhaps to hatch when the time is ripe)


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #23909138 - 12/09/16 04:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

come again?


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23909173 - 12/09/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You wanna wax eloquent about your cult experiences? We can wait for a separate thread if you like.


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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #23909197 - 12/09/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sure It will take a day to put a good thread together and think about the past but if you and some others want it then I can.  I am not doing well health wise right now so It will have to wait till I rest up.


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