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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23887771 - 12/02/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23887779 - 12/02/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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33. Just as a fletcher straightens an arrow shaft, even so the discerning man straightens his mind — so fickle and unsteady, so difficult to guard.
34. As a fish when pulled out of water and cast on land throbs and quivers, even so is this mind agitated. Hence should one abandon the realm of Mara.
35. Wonderful, indeed, it is to subdue the mind, so difficult to subdue, ever swift, and seizing whatever it desires. A tamed mind brings happiness.
36. Let the discerning man guard the mind, so difficult to detect and extremely subtle, seizing whatever it desires. A guarded mind brings happiness.
37. Dwelling in the cave (of the heart), the mind, without form, wanders far and alone. Those who subdue this mind are liberated from the bonds of Mara.
38. Wisdom never becomes perfect in one whose mind is not steadfast, who knows not the Good Teaching and whose faith wavers.
39. There is no fear for an awakened one, whose mind is not sodden (by lust) nor afflicted (by hate), and who has gone beyond both merit and demerit. [6]
40. Realizing that this body is as fragile as a clay pot, and fortifying this mind like a well-fortified city, fight out Mara with the sword of wisdom. Then, guarding the conquest, remain unattached.
41. Ere long, alas! this body will lie upon the earth, unheeded and lifeless, like a useless log.
42. Whatever harm an enemy may do to an enemy, or a hater to a hater, an ill-directed mind inflicts on oneself a greater harm.
43. Neither mother, father, nor any other relative can do one greater good than one's own well-directed mind.
44. Who shall overcome this earth, this realm of Yama and this sphere of men and gods? Who shall bring to perfection the well-taught path of wisdom as an expert garland-maker would his floral design?
45. A striver-on-the path shall overcome this earth, this realm of Yama and this sphere of men and gods. The striver-on-the-path shall bring to perfection the well-taught path of wisdom, as an expert garland-maker would his floral design. [7]
46. Realizing that this body is like froth, penetrating its mirage-like nature, and plucking out Mara's flower-tipped arrows of sensuality, go beyond sight of the King of Death!
47. As a mighty flood sweeps away the sleeping village, so death carries away the person of distracted mind who only plucks the flowers (of pleasure).
48. The Destroyer brings under his sway the person of distracted mind who, insatiate in sense desires, only plucks the flowers (of pleasure).
49. As a bee gathers honey from the flower without injuring its color or fragrance, even so the sage goes on his alms-round in the village. [8]
50. Let none find fault with others; let none see the omissions and commissions of others. But let one see one's own acts, done and undone.
51. Like a beautiful flower full of color but without fragrance, even so, fruitless are the fair words of one who does not practice them.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: laughingdog]
#23887915 - 12/02/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Japanese know mind controll. Ive seen a guy take control of another guys mind and psychicly made the man pull off his own nuts. The dude sarted screaming afterwords. Some real serious shit.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: littleton]
#23888118 - 12/02/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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where did you see that
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: XpandedMind]
#23888212 - 12/02/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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XpandedMind said: There are so many instances in history of powerful drugs being used in cults or religions in attempts to control the mind. I believe this was done with some sick addiction to power and need to have control over people. I see that most of the known instances of this are isolated to cults, religions, or even government programs like mk-ultra. I believe that these instances were not isolated at all, and these practices were adopted and employed on a much larger scale. I may suggest that the mass use psychotropic drugs today could be a warning sign. In a time when we are bombarded by strange advertising methods, subliminal messages, and propaganda constantly. Wouldn't it be logical to think that the over-prescription of these drugs along with the ability to effect the minds of billions of people via radio, tv, internet, mainstream music, etc. could be used as a mass mind control? Why? The world is a mess, there is no contesting this. In order for the economic systems in place to continue people cannot wake up to this or that would more than likely be the end of them. The end of them, means the end of the reign of the capitalist, consumerist, materialist mentality, and the end of profits related to that model. So of course those reliant on this model (our leaders, and consequently all of us) will grasp at any straw possible in order to avoid its (IMO) necessary downfall.
Yes! If you can take a look at this. Am currently watching it, and it is saying same thing.
I already am aware how the psychedelic movements spanning generations 60s to 90s etc were infiltrated by transhumanist ideals via such leaders as Timothy Leary (who was an Aleister Crowley freak)and Terrence McKenna and his promise that technology will be our saviour and the whole '2012 'prophecy'thing. This is the larger cultist mindcontrol agenda, right? IE the monetary class are all setting a transhumanist agenda! And they would see psychedelic minds as good ground for their mind control tricks.
In this video it is claiming rapper Kanye West is warning that the mainstream entertainment and fashion industry is leading people as like in a mindcontrol cult via occultism etc
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: zzripz]
#23888333 - 12/02/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hence why I only ingest alone. or with family. in nature with no music and nothing with me but sustenance.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23888343 - 12/02/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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leary worked for the CIA as an asset. so did alot of the other guys back then who were big. gov. let the cat out of the bag with psychs anyways.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: zzripz]
#23889237 - 12/02/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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zzripz said:
Yes! If you can take a look at this. Am currently watching it, and it is saying same thing.
I already am aware how the psychedelic movements spanning generations 60s to 90s etc were infiltrated by transhumanist ideals via such leaders as Timothy Leary (who was an Aleister Crowley freak)and Terrence McKenna and his promise that technology will be our saviour and the whole '2012 'prophecy'thing. This is the larger cultist mindcontrol agenda, right? IE the monetary class are all setting a transhumanist agenda! And they would see psychedelic minds as good ground for their mind control tricks.
In this video it is claiming rapper Kanye West is warning that the mainstream entertainment and fashion industry is leading people as like in a mindcontrol cult via occultism etc
I have seen many different videos, reports, and articles regarding this particular subject. All very interesting, but hard to believe at first. What sold me was witnessing a family member actually experience these things. He was claiming to be recieving messages telepathically. I assure you these messages he would explain were incredibly evil in their context. I was in shock when he would explain them to me and was very skeptical at first even frightened of him. I immediately assumed it had to be schizophrenia or some other mental disorder. However, this person has always been generally awesome, intelligent, kind, and had no pre-disposition of these illnesses. He was in his late 30's at the time this began to happen. I decided I was going to keep close to him, mostly because I cared a great deal for this person. I do have to admit though i became extremely curious as to why this was happening. He started to be open with other people about these things. Almost immediately after that he was, against his will, taken into a psychiatric hold for months. When he came out he wasnt even the same person. Almost literally a zombie. He can hardly string together proper sentences. Even months after his release. He is gone. Idk what happen, or why, or how. I do know there is some wicked shit in this realm we are not fully aware of, and I sure as hell monitor my thoughts with great awareness.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: zzripz] 1
#23889724 - 12/03/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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zzripz said:
I already am aware how the psychedelic movements spanning generations 60s to 90s etc were infiltrated by transhumanist ideals via such leaders as Timothy Leary (who was an Aleister Crowley freak)and Terrence McKenna and his promise that technology will be our saviour and the whole '2012 'prophecy'thing. This is the larger cultist mindcontrol agenda, right? IE the monetary class are all setting a transhumanist agenda! And they would see psychedelic minds as good ground for their mind control tricks.
Oh for fucks sake.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23890041 - 12/03/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: 33. Just as a fletcher straightens an arrow shaft, even so the discerning man straightens his mind — so fickle and unsteady, so difficult to guard. ... 51. Like a beautiful flower full of color but without fragrance, even so, fruitless are the fair words of one who does not practice them.
what are you quoting and why? MK-ULTRA - BAD.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: Middleman]
#23890046 - 12/03/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Middleman said:
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zzripz said:
I already am aware how the psychedelic movements spanning generations 60s to 90s etc were infiltrated by transhumanist ideals via such leaders as Timothy Leary (who was an Aleister Crowley freak)and Terrence McKenna and his promise that technology will be our saviour and the whole '2012 'prophecy'thing. This is the larger cultist mindcontrol agenda, right? IE the monetary class are all setting a transhumanist agenda! And they would see psychedelic minds as good ground for their mind control tricks.
Oh for fucks sake. 
I know!
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: Middleman]
#23890319 - 12/03/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Middleman said:
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zzripz said:
I already am aware how the psychedelic movements spanning generations 60s to 90s etc were infiltrated by transhumanist ideals via such leaders as Timothy Leary (who was an Aleister Crowley freak)and Terrence McKenna and his promise that technology will be our saviour and the whole '2012 'prophecy'thing. This is the larger cultist mindcontrol agenda, right? IE the monetary class are all setting a transhumanist agenda! And they would see psychedelic minds as good ground for their mind control tricks.
Oh for fucks sake. 
...errrrm is not this response trolling? Which is against the rules?
Please therefore explain in DETAIL why you respond to what is being said that way?
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: redgreenvines]
#23891012 - 12/03/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: 33. Just as a fletcher straightens an arrow shaft, even so the discerning man straightens his mind — so fickle and unsteady, so difficult to guard. ... 51. Like a beautiful flower full of color but without fragrance, even so, fruitless are the fair words of one who does not practice them.
what are you quoting and why? MK-ULTRA - BAD.
someone asked about what the buddha meant by mind beyond just one quote
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23891168 - 12/03/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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its in the Tipitaka (pali canon/oldest buddhist recorded chronicles/discourses of gotama buddha to his followers long ago) > khuddaka > Dhammapada > Cittavagga . Citta is one of 3 words for "Mind" relating more so to "mind state" such as to refer to the ever changing mind states one goes through during a day.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23891176 - 12/03/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ie. distracted mind, or mind filled with the emotion of anger, or mind free'd from delusion, and greed, etc etc. The shifting mind states that occur during ones day. it is to that Mind that the word points.
someone asked, thats why i posted all this.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23892019 - 12/03/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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so you mean to be a sobering influence pointing to clarity of the dhammapada and abhidhamma? good luck,with that.
they seem to prefer paranoid delusion here much more than understanding mind moments, with properties and states.
maybe if you had sensational news, but something recorded 800 years ago wont help much.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#23892134 - 12/03/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I do. It may be worth it for the random lurker that they stumble upon it instead of fleeting temporary drug experiences or magical thinking.
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: redgreenvines]
#23892142 - 12/03/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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“Curiouser and curiouser!” Cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English).”
Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: falcon] 1
#23892191 - 12/03/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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that is my favorite pair of books
I don't think you can swallow dhammapada without Alice's curiosity
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Re: cults, psychedelics, and mind-control [Re: redgreenvines]
#23892273 - 12/03/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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psychedelics may be good for one thing ( of this one thing atleast ): samvega
Urgency & awe = samvega. Other meanings for this term include shock, dismay, & alienation. In the Pali canon, this emotion is often accompanied by fear and a sensed need to escape from overwhelming danger. The things that should inspire urgency & awe are the first four of the five reflections "I am subject to aging, have not gone beyond aging. I am subject to illness, have not gone beyond illness.
I am subject to death, have not gone beyond death. I will grow different, separate from all that is dear & appealing to me." Appropriate exertion is indicated by the fifth reflection: "I am the owner of my actions, heir to my actions, born of my actions, related through my actions, and have by actions as my arbitrator.
Whatever I do, for good or for evil, to that will I fall heir."
beyond this I have great doubt about psychedelics, even in the face of my own experiences.
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