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blacksabbathrulz
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another peyote question
#2381248 - 02/26/04 09:19 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is this a williamsii or a diffusa, or is impossible to tell? Sorry for asking so many questions here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2383387199&category=2033
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HarveyWalbanger
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Eh, pink flowers.... first glance, I'd say it's a good bet they're LWs....
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blacksabbathrulz
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does anyone know of any good books pertaining to peyote cacti or links that are specific to them?
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eric_the_red
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go to erowid and check out their peyote section. they have a lot of pics and articles. edit: after checking that pic out on my bro's computer screen, i must say i don't know what it is. the lines aren't as strong as they appeared to be on my screen.
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HarveyWalbanger
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basic crap you might've read before....
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DieCommie
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They look like LWs. I just ordered this and i hope there LWs. -edit- Looks they added to the page and they in fact arnt williamsii, they are Lophophora Koehresii.
Edited by Qubit (02/27/04 10:15 AM)
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the man
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Re: another peyote question [Re: DieCommie]
#2381401 - 02/26/04 10:03 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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i dont think it is. the roots are really different. might contain mescaline but its not a strait up LW.
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HarveyWalbanger
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The nook people are quite good at cactus idents, I'd go post there if you wanted some second opinions....
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poppy_smirf
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to my knowledge there are 3 different lophs, the williamii, the diffusa and the Koehresii.
but i have been wrong before, good luck
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Voodoo
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Re: another peyote question [Re: poppy_smirf]
#2386480 - 02/28/04 11:39 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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It depends on who you talk to.
Some say that there are only two varieties, some say there are many. One website in particular sells these varieties.
Lophophora williamsii
var Cardona
var Cuatrocienegas
var decipiens
var Huizache
var La Paloma
var Mazapil, Zac
var Paila
var Parras
var Rinconata
var San Antonio
var Tecolote
var texana
var texensis
var Villa Arista
var weisse Bluete
Lophophora diffusa
var Koehresii
Lophophora fricii
var albiflora
That list is far from inclusive of all the varieties Iv seen for sale.
You can see that even they only devide them up into three categories though. Williamsii, diffusa, and fricci. Cacti identification and classification is a touchy subject even with people "in the know." But if youd like opinions from people that have written books on the subject, The Nook is a good place to talk to them.
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mile69
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its defenately not a williamsii. im 99% sure its a type of diffusa...there is some but almost no mescaline in that plant. so it would be more for ornamental purposes...plus its one of the rarer types. lovely plants too!
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Re: another peyote question [Re: Voodoo]
#2388383 - 02/29/04 07:15 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: another peyote question [Re: mile69]
#2388394 - 02/29/04 07:21 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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mile69
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Re: another peyote question [Re: ]
#2389151 - 02/29/04 05:56 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi
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Check out this site: http://www.lophophora.net/dist.htm I don't know much about visually IDing cacti, but I'm pretty sure that L. koehresii is a seperate species from L. diffusa, although based on what I've read they're very similar chemically and in other respects. Members of a species have to be able to interbreed freely in nature, and the diagram on that page clearly shows why individuals of L. diffusa and L. koehresii (described on the page as L. viridescens) can't do this: their ranges are seperated by about 50 kilometers. So, assuming the map is correct (and assuming also that L. williamsii and L. fricii can't or don't interbreed for a reason other than geographical seperation, since their ranges appear to touch), there are (at least) four species of peyote: L. williamsii L. diffusa L. koeresii (or L. viridescens, depending on who you talk to) L. fricii Another page on the same site shows pollen grains of the different species, although I don't know what the deal is with the L. viridescens one, as it looks nothing like the other pics (and also doesn't look like any pictures of pollen I've seen before.) Anyway, they do all look fairly distinct from each other. Anyway, from what I gather, L. koeresii is pretty much the same chemically as L. diffusa: it's active, but contains little mescaline.
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mile69
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Re: another peyote question [Re: ]
#2395662 - 03/02/04 03:03 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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email or pm me mm. i need to talk to you!:)
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Voodoo
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Re: another peyote question [Re: psi]
#2396860 - 03/03/04 12:46 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Lophophora diffusa var. koehresii
This generally accepted L. diffusa variety from San Luis Potosi grows immediately south of L. williamsii and north of L. diffusa. It has pink to cream flowers and unlike the somewhat wider flower petals of L. diffusa and L. williamsii, this variety has unusually thin petals.
Though some support L. diffusa var. koehresii as a variation of L. williamsii due to a number of chemical similarities, the higher ratios of pellotine to mescaline give support for its inclusion in L. diffusa. It may be possible that L. diffusa var. koehresii is an independent species, and intermediary, or a naturally occurring hybrid, but such speculation requires further botanical study.
Synonyms include Lophophora sp. San Luis Potosi, L. sp. Rio Verde, L. viridescens, and L. diffusa subspecies viridescens. Anderson clearly places L. diffusa var. koehresii and all synonyms within L. diffusa without differentation."
M.S.S.
There are 13 chemicals present, the majority being pellotine.
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Agarico
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Re: another peyote question [Re: Voodoo]
#2401145 - 03/04/04 01:17 AM (20 years, 30 days ago) |
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Quote:
Voodoo said:i
var Cardona
var Cuatrocienegas ......
Those seeds come from cacti that have been collected at a specific place, it's like a field number or a dog's "pedigree". Each of them (should) have little morphological differences
If you buy straight "unspecified" williamsii, you spend less and get higher germination rate; tested myself
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Voodoo
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Re: another peyote question [Re: Agarico]
#2401368 - 03/04/04 03:43 AM (20 years, 30 days ago) |
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Iv had great success lately with seeds from the Netherlands, but not so much with seeds from Germany. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with how generic they are. But the WERE both very cheap.
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