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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: pineninja]
    #23888099 - 12/02/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but here in america all those things cost money, even a hunting license cost money.

Therefore, it cost money to be happy.

Your points are invalid.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: TNK]
    #23888106 - 12/02/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Money helps.  Living out of a dumpster and wearing rags if you are even that lucky.  It's illegal to harvest animals for food without rights.  Trespassing is a law that keeps you in very limited areas.  Sub zero temps without money for gear or a spot to hide, the hotel looks mighty friendly.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23888147 - 12/02/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I was happy when I was a poor(broke) college student landscaping. But anything I bought before that time I could use outside doing things that made me happy.  Fishing, hunting, boating, kayaking, triathlons.  Buy once cry once!
Does money make you happy? It certainly doesn't hurt. Having been poor/broke(1st world) I do not wish to return to that.  Though I have no problem accepting that fate if that is what becomes.  I do make use of anything and everything around me, but certainly not greedy or tight with money.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: pinedownpioneer] * 1
    #23888514 - 12/02/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Going to college isn't really poor.  Poor is just released from prison with the shit clothes someone left behind because the guards burned your clothes.  You get a couple of bucks and dumped off in your home town.  Can't get a job and no prospects.  This is a fact for 10% of Americans and growing.

Lucky that felons can still get food stamps.  No public housing so it is likely back to prison people return.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23888525 - 12/02/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Going to college isn't really poor.  Poor is just released from prison with the shit clothes someone left behind because the guards burned your clothes.  You get a couple of bucks and dumped off in your home town.  Can't get a job and no prospects.  This is a fact for 10% of Americans and growing.

Lucky that felons can still get food stamps.  No public housing so it is likely back to prison people return.





Going to college can make you poor.  :wink:


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Maverick]
    #23888530 - 12/02/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Job prospects that start at $60,000 a year with benefits is not exactly 'poor'.

Ya I get that some people purchased and education that results in a stupid degree.  Not a lot of jobs for a philosophy degree.  But it helps to have clean records and any education or job experience.  It's what is expected.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23888552 - 12/02/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Job prospects that start at $60,000 a year with benefits is not exactly 'poor'.

Ya I get that some people purchased and education that results in a stupid degree.  Not a lot of jobs for a philosophy degree.  But it helps to have clean records and any education or job experience.  It's what is expected.





Yeah, I've got a 4.0GPA and a degree in chemistry but I recently blew my back out working construction labor for shit wages, despite the fact I have a degree which no one cares about because it's not a masters or PhD...


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Maverick]
    #23888587 - 12/02/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Very few college graduates are landing jobs that make $60k a year. A lot of college graduates I know ended up working as personal trainers, cooks, construction workers, etc...

The ones that did get office work had to settle for $30K, maybe up to $40K if they were lucky. Some of them settled for commission-only jobs which pay less than minimum wage, because there's nothing else out there.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23888668 - 12/02/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Going to college isn't really poor.  Poor is just released from prison with the shit clothes someone left behind because the guards burned your clothes.  You get a couple of bucks and dumped off in your home town.  Can't get a job and no prospects.  This is a fact for 10% of Americans and growing.

Lucky that felons can still get food stamps.  No public housing so it is likely back to prison people return.



I'm a felon, no assistance in my current state of residence.  No food, no housing, no heat, nothing!

Caught my case at 31, the only way back to my feet was doing what I knew best until I got a break working for cash doing the chef thing again.
Saved and saved, couch surfed.  Saved until I had done enough work, both legit and illicit to buy into a small diner.... saved more and so on.
Thankfully I had a great group of friends and "family" to at least keep me warm and help me find work.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23889700 - 12/03/16 05:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I did pay alot of money for an educaton but was smart enough not to buy BS degree. Nuclear energy and chemistry. It was tough making ends meet during school since my parents are not wealthy(school teachers) with 3 brothers and a sister..all of whom have degrees and good to great jobs. May not have had a ton of $ growing up but my parents are the best I could ever ask for and fortunate for that.  We were not poor but definitely not wealthy in money, we were well off with brains and/or athletics . They put us before them.  Taught me to work for what I want. Traveled every year.  My 1st vehicle was a 1966 Chevy belair which I still have and restoring it.  Dad figured he would get us all old cheap classic cars.  Mustang, nova, Trans am, belair, duster.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23890177 - 12/03/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I did pay alot of money for an educaton but was smart enough not to buy BS degree. Nuclear energy and chemistry. It was tough making ends meet during school since my parents are not wealthy(school teachers) with 3 brothers and a sister..all of whom have degrees and good to great jobs. May not have had a ton of $ growing up but my parents are the best I could ever ask for and fortunate for that.  We were not poor but definitely not wealthy in money, we were well off with brains and/or athletics . They put us before them.  Taught me to work for what I want. Traveled every year.  My 1st vehicle was a 1966 Chevy belair which I still have and restoring it.  Dad figured he would get us all old cheap classic cars.  Mustang, nova, Trans am, belair, duster.





Honestly, I did all my schooling for free, but that was not fun.  I had to work my ass off at keeping my GPA up, apply for every single scholarship under the sun, apply for every college grant I could, meet with random people just to get approval to even be considered for any of it.  Even had to move back in with the parents while I was in my late 20's (ruining my social life) in order to make ends meet.

However I did manage to get a $10,000 scholarship one year, that was a lifesaver.  Helped me pay off debt I had started to build up while in school.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23890293 - 12/03/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ya I get that some people purchased and education that results in a stupid degree.  Not a lot of jobs for a philosophy degree.



Philosophy is often brought up as being a stupid degree, but I've heard it can be good for getting into law school.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: psi]
    #23890307 - 12/03/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ya I get that some people purchased and education that results in a stupid degree.  Not a lot of jobs for a philosophy degree.



Philosophy is often brought up as being a stupid degree, but I've heard it can be good for getting into law school.



No
Hard work and intellect/logic gets you a JD.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23890316 - 12/03/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ya I get that some people purchased and education that results in a stupid degree.  Not a lot of jobs for a philosophy degree.



Philosophy is often brought up as being a stupid degree, but I've heard it can be good for getting into law school.



No
Hard work and intellect/logic gets you a JD.




Never heard of the "intsllect/logic" major, sounds like something you would find in seminary school


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23890332 - 12/03/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ya I get that some people purchased and education that results in a stupid degree.  Not a lot of jobs for a philosophy degree.



Philosophy is often brought up as being a stupid degree, but I've heard it can be good for getting into law school.



No
Hard work and intellect/logic gets you a JD.



I never claimed otherwise. Apparently philosophy majors tend to do well on the LSATs though (maybe it has something to do with the focus on logic in philosopy?)


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: psi] * 1
    #23890719 - 12/03/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My bad, I meant graduating law school.
My cousin did and it damn near killed her.  I think she had a psych degree maybe???
Law school is a lot of logic and memorizing, much different than philosophy, just my two pennies :grin:


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23890794 - 12/03/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have a cousin who scored in the top 1% percentile on the LSAT's, yet didn't pass the bar exam in 2 different states. It can happen.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: A.RichardTrickle] * 1
    #23890801 - 12/03/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The overlap would be in areas like logic and rhetoric, not so much the memorization. I'm a computer science student and had to take a course on constructing proofs using symbolic logic and set theory, as a prerequisite for later theory courses. Philosophy majors at my school have to take courses on the same kind of material. Admittedly I don't know too much else about the program, but I wouldn't take it as a given that there is no logical rigor to the field of philosophy. Math and science were kind of born out of it.


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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23892344 - 12/03/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I have a cousin who scored in the top 1% percentile on the LSAT's, yet didn't pass the bar exam in 2 different states. It can happen.



Yea, that was kinda what I was talking about.  Glad you smell what I'm stepping in :grin:
It is convient as a junkie alcoholic to have a lawyer in the family.
Even though the bitch had me arrested twice in three days and thrown in St Louis county jail.
I probably earned it, back in my Xanax daze..... :frown:
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23892993 - 12/04/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have a sister who became a lawyer not long ago as well. Thankfully I have not been in any legal trouble though.

Completing the whole process would definitely be a better metric for evaluating a major as preparation for law, but I haven't been able to find stats on completion rates by previous major.

I just think the implication that philosophy doesn't also involve a lot of logic seems unfounded. "Law school is a lot of logic and memorizing, much different than philosophy".

If philosophy majors were clueless about logic, they likely would not be able to score well on the LSAT. They could well run into problems with the rote memorization aspect or workload after that, but I don't see any reason to believe that they are likely to be weak on logic.


Or maybe their LSAT scores are just a fluke and a philosophy degree consists entirely of the study of advanced beard-stroking.


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