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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: pineninja]
#23886395 - 12/02/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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pineninja said: Now that, is a false reality.
I'm just going off of my personal experience, money might not buy a true sense of inner peace or whatever, but it does take the edge off of life by a significant margin. What you define as happiness is subjective, but objectively money does correlate with higher levels of happiness in psychology studies.
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Check out happiness economics, pretty much all of the data supports my point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happiness_economics
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pineninja said: Now that, is a false reality.
I'm just going off of my personal experience, money might not buy a true sense of inner peace or whatever, but it does take the edge off of life by a significant margin. What you define as happiness is subjective, but objectively money does correlate with higher levels of happiness in psychology studies.
I've found this to be the case. No.. money doesn't "buy happiness"... but it does buy steak.. and that makes me happy. It buys weed.. that makes me happy too. It also buys chocolate. And car parts.
Money doesn't buy happiness no.. but it can provide things you need.. When you are struggling for survival you certainly are not happy. In those cases the lack of money buys despair, and money does buy happiness, even if temporary. Money buys lots of things we require for survival and well-being, therefore money can make you happier.
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Shroomism]
#23886425 - 12/02/16 01:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Every human has a fundamental right to not be in poverty, and using it in regards to money's legitimacy is rather strawish. The study qouted about is one of many and seemingly designed in that case with inevitable outcomes.
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: pineninja]
#23886431 - 12/02/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree we need to set up a system where all humans basic needs are taken care of without question. It's not like we don't have the resources or technology. We do have a cabal that needs to be removed.
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Shroomism]
#23886437 - 12/02/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is done by society on purpose. When people are too satisfied in life and have all their needs met and feel no drive to satiate their hunger, they start questioning society and the meaning of life, asking too many questions.
They also deliberately keep the lower classes just barely well-fed and with a barely tolerable quality of life, just enough to make them complacent enough to not think to riot against the system.
By keeping everybody occupied with sensationalist news and mindless commodities, it always keeps the lower classes constantly striving and competing against each other for more, not ever asking questions about their place in the system.
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Shroomism said: I agree we need to set up a system where all humans basic needs are taken care of without question. It's not like we don't have the resources or technology. We do have a cabal that needs to be removed.
You do realize that is the entire concept of socialism, right?
Cause I assumed you were conservative or libertarian, AKA "Republican Lite."
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Shroomism]
#23886438 - 12/02/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes. At some point in the history of us, the appropriation of what happiness means was skewed, by whom and why will continue to be debated. I think that the word or notion is misunderstood by either myself or others, because if you think a boat is happiness we haven't had the same experiences. True happiness cannot be bought and probably cannot be felt with that mentality imo.
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I believe in a lot of cases that God chooses the right people to grow up with money. The universe/god knows who is worthy of the money and who isnt.
A wise man once said.."you get what you deserve..thats the way it works"
You are delusional.
God choose you to grow up rich? Interesting perspective.. By that logic God chooses who grows up poor. What a dick God is.
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pineninja said: Now that, is a false reality.
I'm just going off of my personal experience, money might not buy a true sense of inner peace or whatever, but it does take the edge off of life by a significant margin. What you define as happiness is subjective, but objectively money does correlate with higher levels of happiness in psychology studies.
Money can buy food, so you don't have to dig through trash to eat that day; which I have done before.
Money can buy you a tent and a sleeping bag, so instead of sleeping on cardboard ontop of dirt you can sleep in warmth and comfort; which I have done.
Money can buy you lots and lots of things, maybe not true happiness but it can buy a whole lot of shit. I can promise you if I woke up tomorrow with 10,000,000$ in my bank account, I would be far happier tomorrow than I am tonight. I would be able to provide for myself and my loved ones in ways I have never been able to before- and that would make me happy. Knowing my Mom will always have heat in the winter, knowing my Grandma will always have her medical bills paid; that would bring me happiness.
Maybe I didn't grow up as wealthy as some, but I grew up with rich relatives; but I didn't grow up with them. I was not a part of their lives and I did not get to enjoy all of their wealth but instead watched it from a distance, and on the subject of people who were poor then become rich obsessing over money; you won't understand because you've never NOT had money.
You've never understood what it was like to not eat for a lack of money, to have your heating turned off in the winter for a lack of money, your pipes freezing and not being able to fix them so you have to turn off the water until you could. Maybe I wasn't wealthy enough to full understand the evil and greed of money, but I am 100% aware of the evil that not having money can bring. I understand beyond any doubt the life that people can live without having the money to pay for the clothes on their back.
You are right, money can't buy happiness, but it can really make it easier to achieve happiness.
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: TNK]
#23886504 - 12/02/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never had to do any of that shit but one year our water heater broke and it was ice cold showers for 3 months. I learned to take the fastest shower possible.
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tyrannicalrex said: so being poor is a negative, a punishment?
yes.
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: TNK]
#23886653 - 12/02/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe in a lot of cases that God chooses the right people to grow up with money. The universe/god knows who is worthy of the money and who isnt.
A wise man once said.."you get what you deserve..thats the way it works"
You are delusional.
God choose you to grow up rich? Interesting perspective.. By that logic God chooses who grows up poor. What a dick God is.
What if you were a dick in a past life and god sees that you dont deserve shit?
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Crystal G] 4
#23886695 - 12/02/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: so being poor is a negative, a punishment?
That's not something I personally believe in, I'm just saying from the religious perspective of things, it could only possibly make sense if you believed in karma and reincarnation.
If you believe in karma and reincarnation then a case can certainly be made for the opposite - where being born poor is the blessing and being born rich is the punishment.
Take Buddha, for example. He gave up a comfortable, safe life TWICE to finally become enlightened under the Bodhi Tree.
So, we can also look at material wealth as a hindrance to spiritual growth.
I mentioned in my previous post that I grew up pretty poor. Now, my partner of 4 years comes from some wealth and now I get to see life from a different vantage point, but guess what? Wealthy people are just as miserable as poor people, if not more so.
Imagine the despair that comes when you have and can acquire all the material things you want/need, and yet you are still unhappy?
Growing up poor gave me a reason to learn what true wealth is, and it's not money.
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: yogabunny]
#23886877 - 12/02/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: so being poor is a negative, a punishment?
yes.
Interesting perception. I don't believe it.
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tyrannicalrex said: so being poor is a negative, a punishment?
That's not something I personally believe in, I'm just saying from the religious perspective of things, it could only possibly make sense if you believed in karma and reincarnation.
If you believe in karma and reincarnation then a case can certainly be made for the opposite - where being born poor is the blessing and being born rich is the punishment.
Take Buddha, for example. He gave up a comfortable, safe life TWICE to finally become enlightened under the Bodhi Tree.
So, we can also look at material wealth as a hindrance to spiritual growth.
I mentioned in my previous post that I grew up pretty poor. Now, my partner of 4 years comes from some wealth and now I get to see life from a different vantage point, but guess what? Wealthy people are just as miserable as poor people, if not more so.
Imagine the despair that comes when you have and can acquire all the material things you want/need, and yet you are still unhappy?
Growing up poor gave me a reason to learn what true wealth is, and it's not money.

Yeah! My partner is an AVP and makes 140 a year! I don't think I will ever make that much as an RN but I will make a substantial very comfortable amount, and combined we will be really comfy! It does intimidate me a bit but not so much that it is a hindrance to our relationship. He knows my background completely and loves me for who I am not what I have or where I came from. I am "richer" (monetarily and in other ways) now in life than I have ever been.
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: yogabunny]
#23886884 - 12/02/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Growing up with money made me realize life isnt about money and to be happy and thankful for the little things.
Why do you guys think its ok to be grateful and poor but not grateful and rich?
Just because i grew up with money means i cant appreciate the little things?
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Bill_Oreilly said: Growing up with money made me realize life isnt about money and to be happy and thankful for the little things.
Why do you guys think its ok to be grateful and poor but not grateful and rich?
Just because i grew up with money means i cant appreciate the little things?
I agree one can be grateful and rich (monetarily). I am not knocking you at all, you are just luckier than most people.
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"Money can buy you lots and lots of things, maybe not true happiness but it can buy a whole lot of shit. I can promise you if I woke up tomorrow with 10,000,000$ in my bank account, I would be far happier tomorrow than I am tonight. " In a nutshell.
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: TNK]
#23886897 - 12/02/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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pineninja said: Now that, is a false reality.
I'm just going off of my personal experience, money might not buy a true sense of inner peace or whatever, but it does take the edge off of life by a significant margin. What you define as happiness is subjective, but objectively money does correlate with higher levels of happiness in psychology studies.
Money can buy food, so you don't have to dig through trash to eat that day; which I have done before.
Money can buy you a tent and a sleeping bag, so instead of sleeping on cardboard ontop of dirt you can sleep in warmth and comfort; which I have done.
Money can buy you lots and lots of things, maybe not true happiness but it can buy a whole lot of shit. I can promise you if I woke up tomorrow with 10,000,000$ in my bank account, I would be far happier tomorrow than I am tonight. I would be able to provide for myself and my loved ones in ways I have never been able to before- and that would make me happy. Knowing my Mom will always have heat in the winter, knowing my Grandma will always have her medical bills paid; that would bring me happiness.
Maybe I didn't grow up as wealthy as some, but I grew up with rich relatives; but I didn't grow up with them. I was not a part of their lives and I did not get to enjoy all of their wealth but instead watched it from a distance, and on the subject of people who were poor then become rich obsessing over money; you won't understand because you've never NOT had money.
You've never understood what it was like to not eat for a lack of money, to have your heating turned off in the winter for a lack of money, your pipes freezing and not being able to fix them so you have to turn off the water until you could. Maybe I wasn't wealthy enough to full understand the evil and greed of money, but I am 100% aware of the evil that not having money can bring. I understand beyond any doubt the life that people can live without having the money to pay for the clothes on their back.
You are right, money can't buy happiness, but it can really make it easier to achieve happiness.
This whole post is contradictory.
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: Crystal G]
#23886898 - 12/02/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I believe in a lot of cases that God chooses the right people to grow up with money. The universe/god knows who is worthy of the money and who isnt.
A wise man once said.."you get what you deserve..thats the way it works"
And I believe that is a bunch of BS.
This could only possibly make sense if you believe in the concept of past lives. Otherwise why would else would god punish a newborn baby, some of these kids who are just born into poverty or dire circumstances.
But if you believe in karma and past lives and everything, then okay I guess that could make sense, if you were really bad in a past life or something.
I certainly do believe in past lives and karma
I believe everything happens for a reason
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Re: Growing up as a rich kid. [Re: pineninja]
#23886903 - 12/02/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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pineninja said: Now that, is a false reality.
I'm just going off of my personal experience, money might not buy a true sense of inner peace or whatever, but it does take the edge off of life by a significant margin. What you define as happiness is subjective, but objectively money does correlate with higher levels of happiness in psychology studies.
Money can buy food, so you don't have to dig through trash to eat that day; which I have done before.
Money can buy you a tent and a sleeping bag, so instead of sleeping on cardboard ontop of dirt you can sleep in warmth and comfort; which I have done.
Money can buy you lots and lots of things, maybe not true happiness but it can buy a whole lot of shit. I can promise you if I woke up tomorrow with 10,000,000$ in my bank account, I would be far happier tomorrow than I am tonight. I would be able to provide for myself and my loved ones in ways I have never been able to before- and that would make me happy. Knowing my Mom will always have heat in the winter, knowing my Grandma will always have her medical bills paid; that would bring me happiness.
Maybe I didn't grow up as wealthy as some, but I grew up with rich relatives; but I didn't grow up with them. I was not a part of their lives and I did not get to enjoy all of their wealth but instead watched it from a distance, and on the subject of people who were poor then become rich obsessing over money; you won't understand because you've never NOT had money.
You've never understood what it was like to not eat for a lack of money, to have your heating turned off in the winter for a lack of money, your pipes freezing and not being able to fix them so you have to turn off the water until you could. Maybe I wasn't wealthy enough to full understand the evil and greed of money, but I am 100% aware of the evil that not having money can bring. I understand beyond any doubt the life that people can live without having the money to pay for the clothes on their back.
You are right, money can't buy happiness, but it can really make it easier to achieve happiness.
This whole post is contradictory.
How so? These are real situations for many people. How could having the money enough to not even worry about ones electricity being cut off or new car tires etc...not make one "happier?" People that have NEVER had to even consider thinking of things like this will never truly know what it is like to WANT/NEED for something and not be able to get it.
Edited by tyrannicalrex (12/02/16 09:03 AM)
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