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durian_2008
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Brown's Gas for Plant Growth
#23882229 - 11/30/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.eagle-research.com/erpdf/bg/PlantsDontLie.pdf
More biomass reported when water is treated with ER50 electrolyzer.
It can presumably be made with simple parts, if you don't have $400
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Re: Brown's Gas for Plant Growth [Re: durian_2008]
#23882245 - 11/30/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I start reading and lose interest real quick. Can you give me the gist if it?
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durian_2008
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Ummmh, just one take on the charged water theme?
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ferrel_human
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Re: Brown's Gas for Plant Growth [Re: durian_2008]
#23882260 - 11/30/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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durian_2008 said:
Ummmh, just one take on the charged water theme?
Excuse me.
There is not enough ADD medication to make me want to read it. But the first couple pages get it right. The government ans big pharma like sick people. Sick people is good business. No cures for all.
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durian_2008
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ferrel_human said: There is not enough ADD medication to make me want to read it.
And, you take the time to tell me so. 
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ferrel_human said: But the first couple pages get it right. The government ans big pharma like sick people. Sick people is good business. No cures for all.
I thought it was interesting for being theoretical or fringe.
Many people should not be trusted with electricity, I can't personally vouch for these claims, and I am just a semi-anonymous userid on a drug forum.
Do not trust me with your life.
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Re: Brown's Gas for Plant Growth [Re: durian_2008]
#23882342 - 11/30/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fringe is exactly the word i was thinking.
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durian_2008
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In Jules Verne's time, hot air balloons and submarines were fringe.
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NDStepp84
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Re: Brown's Gas for Plant Growth [Re: durian_2008]
#23884247 - 12/01/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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My biggest concern would be build up, one flip of a light switch and your grow room is a bomb. Brown's gas is super explosive, Hydrogen + pure oxygen. I made a small electrolysis device once and collected the browns gas in a garbage bag, used a peice of news paper for a fuse. 50 feet away I felt the concussion hard and the windows in my house shook hard. That was only half a small kitchen bag full.
Here's a video of someone with a balloon full, video dosen't do it justice Skip to 5:25
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Edited by NDStepp84 (12/01/16 11:37 AM)
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durian_2008
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Re: Brown's Gas for Plant Growth [Re: NDStepp84]
#23887234 - 12/02/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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In Jules Verne's time, hot air balloons and submarines were fringe.
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NDStepp84 said: Hydrogen + pure oxygen
At least, the Hindenburg wasn't full of oxygen, too.
Let's be safe, even if for academical discussion.
What safety measures would be used, if someone wanted to test ER's claims, independently.
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Re: Brown's Gas for Plant Growth [Re: durian_2008]
#23887369 - 12/02/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd be interested in seeing the experiment. Some ideas of safety measures could be to produce small amounts at a time that would fill a small chamber made of something like clear plastic film that wouldn't produce shrapnel.; Good ventilation in the grow room with fans with sealed switches and brushless motors.; in the electrolysis tank seperate collectors and tubing for the anode and cathode so the HH and the O don't mix until they are in the chamber like in this crude drawing

Stainless steel wire makes great electrodes because it doesn't corrode, not easily anyway. A little salt or baking soda in water will make a good electrolyte, but use as less as possible to get it to work because the more used the more amps it will draw and the longer it's ran the more conducive the solution gets, and more power is drawn until a point where the solution will need to be changed. A decent 12v battery charger makes a great power source and also has an amp meter that would tell you when the solution needs changed.
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durian_2008
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Re: Brown's Gas for Plant Growth [Re: NDStepp84]
#23888857 - 12/02/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sometimes, people deliberately dissociate water, to save the hydrogen, as a fuel.
Sometimes, you hear of an accident, in the news.
I'm assuming that there is some kind of formal protocol, by now.
You brought up a good point, and I wonder whether it is incorporated into ER's expensive assemblies.
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