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plurfekt
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: Edmunter]
#23902263 - 12/07/16 05:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I do bleach my grow area, and keep a HEPA filter running.
I stand by removing contamination from the equation, but too each their own.
When I learned beginners mycology, I wanted to learn it properly.
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: plurfekt]
#23902371 - 12/07/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Read this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19722262
I rate Frank as one of the best growers on the planet and when he gets out of jail or wherever he is he will tell you that he lives in a grotty old apartment with dogs and ferrets and its full of contaminants. He always stresses the only place you need to keep clean is your sterile area and that is not your grow room.
Why are you bleaching your grow area as I am truly interested?
Edited by Edmunter (12/07/16 06:59 AM)
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: Edmunter]
#23902612 - 12/07/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can see green spores all over the mono in that pic.
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: krypto2000]
#23902878 - 12/07/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Frank is in jail? I wondered where he's been. What happened?
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Edmunter
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Im kidding around
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: Edmunter]
#23903053 - 12/07/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edmunter said: Read this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19722262
I rate Frank as one of the best growers on the planet and when he gets out of jail or wherever he is he will tell you that he lives in a grotty old apartment with dogs and ferrets and its full of contaminants. He always stresses the only place you need to keep clean is your sterile area and that is not your grow room.
Why are you bleaching your grow area as I am truly interested?
Suppose you never considered my grow area and my work area, were in the same area...
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: plurfekt]
#23903088 - 12/07/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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plurfekt said:
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Edmunter said: Read this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19722262
I rate Frank as one of the best growers on the planet and when he gets out of jail or wherever he is he will tell you that he lives in a grotty old apartment with dogs and ferrets and its full of contaminants. He always stresses the only place you need to keep clean is your sterile area and that is not your grow room.
Why are you bleaching your grow area as I am truly interested?
Suppose you never considered my grow area and my work area, were in the same area...
Fair play, do u use a flow hood? I try to keep them separate due to heating problems and I wasnt trying to be a cock, just trying to be clear about the difference between the 2 areas.
Im also not a pro so keep it simple.
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: plurfekt]
#23903127 - 12/07/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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plurfekt said: Suppose you never considered my grow area and my work area, were in the same area...
Unless you grow in your flowhood/SAB, it actually isn't. The SAB might be in the same room, but if that room is draft free, it could be a room of garbage, still wouldn't affect your sterile work inside your SAB. Also what I find funny is that RR did flowhood work in his bedroom. I know a few others who have their flowhood in a pretty shabby room as well, so I still don't see how a rooms cleanliness is that important..
The thing that is needed beyond anything else is clean spawn. A clean grow area will allow you to grow more fruits using dirty spawn, but you can have a dirty area with clean spawn and see nothing affecting it.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23746659#23746659
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: Mad Season]
#23903131 - 12/07/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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plurfekt said: Suppose you never considered my grow area and my work area, were in the same area...
Unless you grow in your flowhood/SAB, it actually isn't. The SAB might be in the same room, but if that room is draft free, it could be a room of garbage, still wouldn't affect your sterile work inside your SAB. Also what I find funny is that RR did flowhood work in his bedroom. I know a few others who have their flowhood in a pretty shabby room as well, so I still don't see how a rooms cleanliness is that important..
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23746659#23746659
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: Mad Season]
#23903225 - 12/07/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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plurfekt said: Suppose you never considered my grow area and my work area, were in the same area...
Unless you grow in your flowhood/SAB, it actually isn't. The SAB might be in the same room, but if that room is draft free, it could be a room of garbage, still wouldn't affect your sterile work inside your SAB. Also what I find funny is that RR did flowhood work in his bedroom. I know a few others who have their flowhood in a pretty shabby room as well, so I still don't see how a rooms cleanliness is that important..
The thing that is needed beyond anything else is clean spawn. A clean grow area will allow you to grow more fruits using dirty spawn, but you can have a dirty area with clean spawn and see nothing affecting it.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23746659#23746659
Flowhood build put on hold; SAB for now. I would routinely rotate monotubs off for counter-space where I would do my sterile work, as I had a lot of tubs going and limited workspace. So, it was done in the same area, but I otherwise agree with what you are saying. I do occasionally perform inoculations and simple stuff in my bedroom, and I've yet to see a contamination from it, but I keep my bedroom freakishly* clean, too.
My experience when I was younger, was 100% success rates until someone decided to open a moldy jar full of trich and I watched a green POOF come out of it like a cloud and completely cover my work/grow area, and ever since then contamination was an absolute nightmare. I like keeping things so clean, I don't even use a SAB most of the time and can get away with open air inoculations routinely. It works for me, and makes it much easier to identify where contamination is coming from when it does occur, rather than just being like "whoop; more wasted grains/substrates due to the air, or whatever."
In the end it gives me peace of mind and saves money, I treat the work area as exactly that.
But like I said, too each their own - if you want to grow in a moldy old apartment, which I've also done with mostly success and higher contamination rates, have at it. I personally don't care for the idea. No one in this world would ever convince me it's better to grow in a mold-ridden room then a room as close to sterile as it can be.
Edited by plurfekt (12/07/16 12:45 PM)
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: plurfekt]
#23903287 - 12/07/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can agree that getting contaminations and having an increased sporeload means more work, but it doesn't necessarily mean you'll always have more contaminations. If you're having lots of contaminations, it's your spawn, literally the hardest part of the hobby. I actually am so happy I have a moldy area. It made me notice morphologies of spawn that would tend to mold. If you look up my posts and type in bacteria, you can see how anal I am with my identifications.
But yes, definitely do what you want. A clean room is a very nice safety net. You can grow with some bacterial af shit, and still pull off fruits, whereas here I toss anything with even minor bacteria.
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: Mad Season]
#23903382 - 12/07/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry this is a little off topic but I'm on my way to doing a monotub but right now I have rye berries colonizing trying to find out if possibly I need to inoculate again because only one of my Rye grain jars are taking off after 5 days I know that's early but I'm curious was I supposed to use one CC's per quart jar with the Spore syringe or was it more than one cc conflicting info online because the the Jar thats taking off I think I used about one and a half if you could please let me know I'd appreciate it if you need to inbox me at or ill Chuck back here....neolutionevolution@gmail.com
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: p3nisenvy]
#23903470 - 12/07/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patience, it can take 3 weeks sometimes.
Try making your own post instead of hijacking someone elses
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: Edmunter]
#23903481 - 12/07/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Id say especially for a noob they just just toss shitty spawn...why start behind and risk future projects.
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: cronicr] 1
#23904013 - 12/07/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wait, are you Frank Edmunter? I just realized your avatar is the same.
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: cronicr]
#23904336 - 12/07/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mad Season said: I can agree that getting contaminations and having an increased sporeload means more work, but it doesn't necessarily mean you'll always have more contaminations. If you're having lots of contaminations, it's your spawn, literally the hardest part of the hobby. I actually am so happy I have a moldy area. It made me notice morphologies of spawn that would tend to mold. If you look up my posts and type in bacteria, you can see how anal I am with my identifications.
But yes, definitely do what you want. A clean room is a very nice safety net. You can grow with some bacterial af shit, and still pull off fruits, whereas here I toss anything with even minor bacteria.
Yea, once contamination sets into a grow area to a moderate-severe degree you see marked increase in contamination/losses, which you're quite right are often avoided with good practices; but when healthy cakes are catching trich, or you get cobweb/trich during the spawning to monotub process, it's like okay... Time to replace that HEPA filter again and bleach the floor/walls.
I've never had problems maintaining clean spawn, if anything I'm really lucky in that area - but I also agree seeing contamination/bacterial infection varieties is part of the learning process, I recall in my youth watching a half-colonized PF cake in the jar fight off a small trich contamination, which took a couple weeks, but then it fruited as normal. Very interesting to say the least.
I'm just OCD; and sometimes I am growing for others profit/benefit and can't take the risks that I would normally take on my own hobby projects, which is why I try to maintain such a high standard.
Generally for beginners I'd just tell them to get it right to understand sterile procedure and of course, over time they will naturally run into problems on their own.
And I fully support all aspiring mycologists to expand their hobby in whatever way they are inclined to do so.
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cronicr said: Id say especially for a noob they just just toss shitty spawn...why start behind and risk future projects.
Indeed, they'll save themselves some time/money/heartache.
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: plurfekt]
#23904419 - 12/07/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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plurfekt said:
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Mad Season said: I can agree that getting contaminations and having an increased sporeload means more work, but it doesn't necessarily mean you'll always have more contaminations. If you're having lots of contaminations, it's your spawn, literally the hardest part of the hobby. I actually am so happy I have a moldy area. It made me notice morphologies of spawn that would tend to mold. If you look up my posts and type in bacteria, you can see how anal I am with my identifications.
But yes, definitely do what you want. A clean room is a very nice safety net. You can grow with some bacterial af shit, and still pull off fruits, whereas here I toss anything with even minor bacteria.
Yea, once contamination sets into a grow area to a moderate-severe degree you see marked increase in contamination/losses, which you're quite right are often avoided with good practices; but when healthy cakes are catching trich, or you get cobweb/trich during the spawning to monotub process, it's like okay... Time to replace that HEPA filter again and bleach the floor/walls.
I've never had problems maintaining clean spawn, if anything I'm really lucky in that area - but I also agree seeing contamination/bacterial infection varieties is part of the learning process, I recall in my youth watching a half-colonized PF cake in the jar fight off a small trich contamination, which took a couple weeks, but then it fruited as normal. Very interesting to say the least.
you do realize that contams can hide in spawn and sometimes you will have absolutely no idea they're there until you go to fruit and it contams right?
it just seems to me that you're in denial about not having problems maintaining clean spawn. especially when you're "getting away with" inoculating in open air, but then also getting cobweb/trich during the spawning to monotub process (hint: you're not actually getting away with it)
spawning is not sterile. if you're seeing contamination during the spawn run with clean spawn/substrate, it does not mean that your grow area is too moldy and spores got in during spawning and fucked everything up, it means the spawn you thought was clean was not actually clean
mad season made this very clear with his posts showing that he was growing just fine in a high sporeload environment
if you think that "healthy cakes catching trich" is because of your grow area you are kidding yourself. if the cake catches trich, it was not a healthy cake
please someone correct me if i'm wrong
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: Chips]
#23904430 - 12/07/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thought someone may touch on this.
I'm well aware of it. But if my spawn is dirty, it's easy to figure that out, and toss it before using the master culture again.
Not saying that has never happened, I've been growing for a long time lol. I'm saying it's easier to determine, especially when I do my grows in sets from the same master cultures.
And I assure you, the air is never truly clean to a sterile degree, regardless.
This comes from experience, not an unfounded opinion.
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: krypto2000]
#23904827 - 12/07/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Wait, are you Frank Edmunter? I just realized your avatar is the same.
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Re: Monotub ready or not? [Re: plurfekt]
#23904829 - 12/07/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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plurfekt said: But if my spawn is dirty, it's easy to figure that out, and toss it before using the master culture again.
how do you figure it out?
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plurfekt said: This comes from experience, not an unfounded opinion.
it is possible to have experience and be misinterpreting what is going wrong (i know this from experience )
i'm just trying to figure out why you're so sure your spawn is clean while at the same time thinking contams are coming from your environment and not getting in during inoculation
i've been in the same boat, and then found out i was interpreting my experience completely wrong. if you know something i don't i'd like to learn lol
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