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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: natedawgnow]
#23881796 - 11/30/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let's say I gave you a car, and then proceeded to hold it over your head for years after and use you, and claim that you owe me because of the car, is that not exploitation?
We set up fruit farms there, then force them to work for less and less money each year until they can't support themselves anymore. How is that not exploitation?
Exploitation: the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: SARAtonin]
#23881798 - 11/30/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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SARAtonin said: What good is your freedom of it is infringing upon anothers? Because that's exactly what America does, your first world luxuries come at the cost of global suffering. It must be nice to be able to ignore suffering you perpetuate because it's convenient and benificial to you.
Oh fuck off. We do not cause global suffering because of what we have here.
You surely must be being factitious, right? Take practically anything material you take for granted in your life and trace it back to its source you will find the poor and disenfranchised suffering for our convenience. Just think about the computer chips and cell phone parts, all obtained though child mining operations. All that cheap stuff from China, we all know why it's so cheap. I mean christ, even bananas aren't innocent, we set up dictatorships and topple governments to get bananas. Don't believe me look it up.
Simply put, if you truly believe American luxury isn't directly impacting the rest of the world in a negative way, we truly have nothing more to talk about.
Yeah, moving from 30% of global GDP to over 50% in 40 years is just devastating for the third world, not to mention higher wages and much higher standards of livings.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: qman]
#23881821 - 11/30/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If history has taught us anything, it's that we're in for a major recession in 2017, maybe 2018. If I understand correctly, when a President has sat for two terms then usually the opposition party wins the next election; e.g., we're going from an 8 year Democrat to a Republican. When this happens, it's always followed by a recession; e.g. 8 years of Republican W. Bush followed by a Democrat, which precipitated the recession we've dealt with during Obama's two-term Presidency.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: abltsandwich]
#23881822 - 11/30/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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abltsandwich said: Wrong. It doesn't even have to do with WWII. It's related to the Cold War. The definition hasn't changed; the use of the word has become incorrect. Derp derp derp. Keep on derpin'.
Third world means poor and underdevoped in the common vanacular. It really doesn't matter what the official definition is. There was a period when people incorrectly used the term third world to describe poor countries - that time has passed. Third world means poor and the official definition is wrong, not the other way around.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: natedawgnow]
#23881824 - 11/30/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Let's say I gave you a car, and then proceeded to hold it over your head for years after and use you, and claim that you owe me because of the car, is that not exploitation?
We set up fruit farms there, then force them to work for less and less money each year until they can't support themselves anymore. How is that not exploitation?
Exploitation: the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.
According to your line of reasoning, the CEO that makes $10 million per year but makes his company $10 billion per year in profits is being exploited!!
No one is forcing anyone to pick fruit, no one is forcing anyone to make computer parts, those are voluntary actions, therefore NOT exploitation.
"force them to work"
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: koods]
#23881835 - 11/30/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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abltsandwich said: Wrong. It doesn't even have to do with WWII. It's related to the Cold War. The definition hasn't changed; the use of the word has become incorrect. Derp derp derp. Keep on derpin'.
Third world means poor and underdevoped in the common vanacular. It really doesn't matter what the official definition is. There was a period when people incorrectly used the term third world to describe poor countries - that time has passed. Third world means poor and the official definition is wrong, not the other way around.
All three terms, first, second, and third are equally outdated terms for the same reason. The definitions haven't changed. Those words have no use anymore other than referring to history and geography, just like Allies and Axis from WWII. If you see a person talking about first-world, second-world, and third-world countries, you can use that as a metric for their knowledge of things. I use it as a yardstick of whether someone's even worth engaging in the topic of discussion at the time.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: qman]
#23882025 - 11/30/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Let's say I gave you a car, and then proceeded to hold it over your head for years after and use you, and claim that you owe me because of the car, is that not exploitation?
We set up fruit farms there, then force them to work for less and less money each year until they can't support themselves anymore. How is that not exploitation?
Exploitation: the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.
According to your line of reasoning, the CEO that makes $10 million per year but makes his company $10 billion per year in profits is being exploited!!
No one is forcing anyone to pick fruit, no one is forcing anyone to make computer parts, those are voluntary actions, therefore NOT exploitation.
"force them to work"
Total nonsense.
Actually according to the definition i provided it is not exploitation because exploitation implies UNFAIR treatment or compensation. $10,000,000 is not unfair, Less than $3 a day for hard labor is.
And just so you know, we are allll forced to work, dude. If you don't work, then you don't eat; but at least my pay is fair for the work I do. Unless I am mistaken and you are part of the very low percentage of trust fund hippies that are not required to work for a living thanks to good ole mom and dad.
If I am mistaken and you are a trust fund hippie, I will happily fuck off.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: abltsandwich]
#23882030 - 11/30/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus Christ on a cracker. I should have known better than to think I'd get a real discussion from this. Fuck. Dick
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: koods]
#23882043 - 11/30/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: It's less about the flag burning, but the novel form of punishment he came up with and why he felt the urge to tell the world about it 5 minutes after seeing a story on Fox News. Also, why is he always up in the middle of the night. The only people I know who are up regularly at 4am are crazy people and drug addicts.
If you watch the interview with his butler on YouTube, he says that Trump only sleeps 3 hours a night. The man functions on very little sleep apparently. I suppose he still could be one of the two, or both.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: Crystal G]
#23882060 - 11/30/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trump has the hook on fish scale, yo. Dick
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: abltsandwich]
#23882103 - 11/30/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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abltsandwich said: Wrong. It doesn't even have to do with WWII. It's related to the Cold War. The definition hasn't changed; the use of the word has become incorrect. Derp derp derp. Keep on derpin'.
Third world means poor and underdevoped in the common vanacular. It really doesn't matter what the official definition is. There was a period when people incorrectly used the term third world to describe poor countries - that time has passed. Third world means poor and the official definition is wrong, not the other way around.
All three terms, first, second, and third are equally outdated terms for the same reason. The definitions haven't changed. Those words have no use anymore other than referring to history and geography, just like Allies and Axis from WWII. If you see a person talking about first-world, second-world, and third-world countries, you can use that as a metric for their knowledge of things. I use it as a yardstick of whether someone's even worth engaging in the topic of discussion at the time.
What conditions do you believe need to be met in order for the definition of a word to change?
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: psi] 2
#23882139 - 11/30/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's funny you said using it as a METRIC for assuming intelligence then proceed to say you use it as a yardstick Not making fun or anything I just thought it was amusing.
But, by your own argument, you must not use the words "gay" "retarded" "awful" (which literally means "worthy of awe," much different than it is used today) "batchelor" (which originally refered to knights in training but now refers to unmarried men) or a shit ton of other words that have changed meanings since their original conception.
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Re: Trump [Re: psi]
#23882171 - 11/30/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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abltsandwich said: Wrong. It doesn't even have to do with WWII. It's related to the Cold War. The definition hasn't changed; the use of the word has become incorrect. Derp derp derp. Keep on derpin'.
Third world means poor and underdevoped in the common vanacular. It really doesn't matter what the official definition is. There was a period when people incorrectly used the term third world to describe poor countries - that time has passed. Third world means poor and the official definition is wrong, not the other way around.
All three terms, first, second, and third are equally outdated terms for the same reason. The definitions haven't changed. Those words have no use anymore other than referring to history and geography, just like Allies and Axis from WWII. If you see a person talking about first-world, second-world, and third-world countries, you can use that as a metric for their knowledge of things. I use it as a yardstick of whether someone's even worth engaging in the topic of discussion at the time.
What conditions do you believe need to be met in order for the definition of a word to change?
I feel silly for not actually fact checking his claim. The definition for third world is the developing countries of Africa, Asia and Latin America. His definition is described as archaic.
I'm going to use the definition as a yardstick of whether someone is worth engaging or if they are living 50 years in the past and can't have an actual discussion about the world because they were educated with textbooks printed in the 50s.
I have news for abitsandwich: the gay rights movement is not about making sure happy people are treated equally in society.
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Re: Trump [Re: koods]
#23882212 - 11/30/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: I have news for abitsandwich: the gay rights movement is not about making sure happy people are treated equally in society.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: koods]
#23882227 - 11/30/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: The definition for third world is the developing countries of Africa, Asia and Latin America. His definition is described as archaic.
I think that's a pretty accurate reflection of how the term is used today. It's always nice to know the origins of your terms to get a deeper understanding of their meanings, but the theory that words just have these meanings that are set in stone and that new uses that develop organically are forever "wrong" is kind of a useless model of reality.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: psi] 7
#23882286 - 11/30/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haven't read anything in the thread just yet.
But trying to ban flag burning is perhaps the best reasons to start burning flags. Attempting to do so will only encourage the act. And whatever you think flag burning symbolizes is not worse than what banning the act of it symbolizes.
It's pretty blatantly unconstitutional though. The guy can say what he wants about it I guess.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: PatrickKn] 2
#23882302 - 11/30/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There was a pretty good Futurama episode on this topic where Zoidberg eats a flag on Freedom Day.
American-style excessive patriotism seems a lot like a secular religion where the "founding fathers" are revered prophets, the constitution is the unquestionable holy book, and so on. The flag burning thing is roughly parallel to Muslims getting pissed off about people drawing or bad-mouthing Mohammed.
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: psi]
#23882309 - 11/30/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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rest in pieces old man waterfall we salute you
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i always heard it's respectful to burn a flag if it gets all faded and ragged.. anyone else??
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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: ellomello]
#23882365 - 11/30/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought you were to bury it. Fold it a very specific way and bury it. With your hopes and American dreams.
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