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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23881381 - 11/30/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What good is your freedom of it is infringing upon anothers?
Because that's exactly what America does, your first world luxuries come at the cost of global suffering.
It must be nice to be able to ignore suffering you perpetuate because it's convenient and  benificial to you.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: koods]
    #23881430 - 11/30/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
You're not defending the flag if you won't defend the rights the flag represents.




Yup that sums it up.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23881438 - 11/30/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you wanna be a disrespectful asshole and burn a flag who gives a fuck. I support peoples right to free expression n all this. If you take away flag burning it starts to undermine alot of other things. People burn flags cuz its meant to be outrageous n symbolic n all this. Getting you upset is the point. Its really dumb we have to talk bout this in 2016 :facepalm:


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: koods]
    #23881442 - 11/30/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
You're not defending the flag if you won't defend the rights the flag represents.





And why would I defend someone who does not appreciate what it stands for?  I will not defend someone who desecrates the flag.  By me not inferring is me letting them exercise their right.


Typical Koods logic here.  Can't be an American for even a second. :facepalm:


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23881444 - 11/30/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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SARAtonin said:
What good is your freedom of it is infringing upon anothers?
Because that's exactly what America does, your first world luxuries come at the cost of global suffering.
It must be nice to be able to ignore suffering you perpetuate because it's convenient and  benificial to you.





Oh fuck off.  We do not cause global suffering because of what we have here.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #23881451 - 11/30/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Herbologist said:
Quote:

koods said:
You're not defending the flag if you won't defend the rights the flag represents.





And why would I defend someone who does not appreciate what it stands for?  I will not defend someone who desecrates the flag.  By me not inferring is me letting them exercise their right.


Typical Koods logic here.  Can't be an American for even a second. :facepalm:




Oh so you only want to defend Americans that follow your ideology?

So much for freedom and liberties for all.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: TNK] * 1
    #23881461 - 11/30/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Me not inferring is letting them exercise their American right.  But I would not care if I saw some vet go up and sock em in the face.

Get it now?


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: Herbologist]
    #23881468 - 11/30/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Herbologist said:
Quote:

koods said:
You're not defending the flag if you won't defend the rights the flag represents.





And why would I defend someone who does not appreciate what it stands for?  I will not defend someone who desecrates the flag.




If you won't defend someone's constitutional rights, you are anti-American.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: koods] * 1
    #23881472 - 11/30/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

arent you anti gun?


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: rackem]
    #23881476 - 11/30/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes. Guns don't have rights.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #23881479 - 11/30/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You should be able to burn the American flag if you want and I should be able to fly the confederate flag if I want. That's what freedom is.

I feel that burning an American flag is disrespectful and, in some contexts, waving a confederate flag is disrespectful, but it is your right to do it. Tis your right to face the karma and consequences of the actions you chose tho. In some crowds either is gonna come with a nearly guaranteed ass beating.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23881481 - 11/30/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

SARAtonin said:
What good is your freedom of it is infringing upon anothers?
Because that's exactly what America does, your first world luxuries come at the cost of global suffering.
It must be nice to be able to ignore suffering you perpetuate because it's convenient and  benificial to you.



Freedom isn't luxury. Our luxury is mostly a byproduct of our freedom



And WWII

You are mixing g up several problems though. I can have freedom and not directly infringe on another, unless you want to hold me responsible for the practices of a poorer country that mined something in my tablet or grew something I bought.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: koods]
    #23881484 - 11/30/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

so you are saying that you are for the 2A?


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23881492 - 11/30/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Guys beating up someone for buring a flag is jus as bad as jailing them. The only thing that burning a flag hurts is the flag and your pride. :facepalm:


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: rackem]
    #23881496 - 11/30/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Never said I wasn't. You are entitled to the rights it grants. You aren't entitled to rights it does not.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: SARAtonin] * 1
    #23881537 - 11/30/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

SARAtonin said:
What good is your freedom of it is infringing upon anothers?
Because that's exactly what America does, your first world luxuries come at the cost of global suffering.
It must be nice to be able to ignore suffering you perpetuate because it's convenient and  benificial to you.




"your first world luxuries come at the cost of global suffering"

That's what liberals with no economic study like to believe, guess who expanded the third world economies and increased their standard of living by multiples the past 35 years?  Yes, the US and other developed economies.  And guess who suffered as a result?  The middle class worker!

"ignore the suffering you perpetrate because it's convenient"

You're so full of shit it's disgusting, what have YOU done to alleviate this "suffering" that you have convinced yourself is beneficial for your standard of living?  Have you donated all your assets to third world citizens?


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: qman]
    #23881555 - 11/30/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Globalism has been defined by the rise of hundreds of millions of people in the third world out of poverty into the middle class, a select few in the first world rising into immense wealth, and the stagnation and collapse of the middle class of the first world back into poverty. On a utilitarian basis globalism has been very good for the world, but reagan, bush, and clinton have done nothing to help the losers of globalization and that's where it had failed the US.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #23881557 - 11/30/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Guys beating up someone for buring a flag is jus as bad as jailing them. The only thing that burning a flag hurts is the flag and your pride. :facepalm:




Difference is one is legally governmentally endorsed and the other is illegal and governmentally prosecuted. They too have consequences for their actions.

We didn't get our freedom by being pussies or complete idiots. If you're going to do something that may come with an ass beating you should be intelligent enough to realize it and take it into account when you exercise your freedom. Legality doesn't prevent people from being mugged or raped, it is up to you to exercise cation if you're going to exercise your freedom to wear a bikini thong with your money clip in your bra.
You can do it in a safe and relatively intelligent way or you can do it in a risky way. It's legal to do despite inherent risks because people should and do have a measure of self accountability. That's the point I was trying to make.


The government does not condone rape or robbery but they do condone peoples ability to do things that may put themselves in a situation where it is likely to happen.


If I want to be dumb enough to wave a confederate flag at a BLM movement then that's my freedom and I must deal with the consequences. I can't say it's unfair because the government didn't protect my dumbass.

Likewise if I want to be an asshole and burn an American flag at a memorial ceremony on veterans day then what comes with that is also consequences of demonstrating my freedom.


If people care enough they will do things whether it's legal or not. Beating someone is illegal for obvious reasons. Being an asshole without directly threatening or attacking someone is legal because peaceful demonstrations are a fundamental part of democracy. You are the one that gets to decide if the risks are worth it, not the government.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: Herbologist] * 3
    #23881559 - 11/30/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Herbologist said:
Quote:

SARAtonin said:
What good is your freedom of it is infringing upon anothers?
Because that's exactly what America does, your first world luxuries come at the cost of global suffering.
It must be nice to be able to ignore suffering you perpetuate because it's convenient and  benificial to you.





Oh fuck off.  We do not cause global suffering because of what we have here.



This is the most ridiculous, ignorant statement I've seen in a while.

American luxury is most definitely built on the plight of 3rd world
country dwellers. If you don't think that's true, you're an idiot.

I saw this documentary once about an indian family who worked at a
leather tannery. The oldest son (age 13) worked as his dad's right hand man.

His job: scraping the fat off of all the leathers, and "softening" the
leathers by stomping on them in a vat of water mixed with chicken shit
for 12 hours for 1 hour intervals every other hour. The acidity of the chicken shit
helped to soften up the leather making it more pliable.
This kid's life was stomping in shit filled water day in and day out to
help feed his family, not able to go to school or do anything.

Guess what these leathers were used to make? Designer dress shoes sold
in the U.S.. The worst part is that if we stopped buying these shoes
to alleviate the kids work load, his family would starve.

Our luxury created the economies of 3rd world countrymen and we
exploit the shit out of them in exchange.

If you enjoy American luxury, you better be thanking the little guy we
stomp all over to get it.

Also, I know plenty of vets who will fight tooth and nail for your right
to burn a flag. My grandfather included who served in WWII, Korea, and
Vietnam.


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Re: Trump "flag burners should lose rights" [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23881580 - 11/30/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
Quote:

CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Guys beating up someone for buring a flag is jus as bad as jailing them. The only thing that burning a flag hurts is the flag and your pride. :facepalm:




Difference is one is legally governmentally endorsed and the other is illegal and governmentally prosecuted. They too have consequences for their actions.

We didn't get our freedom by being pussies or complete idiots. If you're going to do something that may come with an ass beating you should be intelligent enough to realize it and take it into account when you exercise your freedom. Legality doesn't prevent people from being mugged or raped, it is up to you to exercise cation if you're going to exercise your freedom to wear a bikini thong with your money clip in your bra.
You can do it in a safe and relatively intelligent way or you can do it in a risky way. It's legal to do despite inherent risks because people should and do have a measure of self accountability. That's the point I was trying to make.


The government does not condone rape or robbery but they do condone peoples ability to do things that may put themselves in a situation where it is likely to happen.


If I want to be dumb enough to wave a confederate flag at a BLM movement then that's my freedom and I must deal with the consequences. I can't say it's unfair because the government didn't protect my dumbass.

Likewise if I want to be an asshole and burn an American flag at a memorial ceremony on veterans day then what comes with that is also consequences of demonstrating my freedom.


If people care enough they will do things whether it's legal or not. Beating someone is illegal for obvious reasons. Being an asshole without directly threatening or attacking someone is legal because peaceful demonstrations are a fundamental part of democracy. You are the one that gets to decide if the risks are worth it, not the government.



Yah but if u say stuff like that not jus you but other people of too like letting people get beat up for burning a flag n stuff then people might think its ok to do that. I no u wouldnt or anything like that crumbs and i no that people have the freedom of action to do alot of things. Im jus saying dont beat people up or stuff for burning flags cuz that'd be really dumb. if anything like get permits to burn like a really big version of thier flag. thats how u do it in america ok this isnt the jungle or something jesus guys :facepalm:


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