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Re: Ferather's Corner | Experiments, tests and data [Re: Ferather]
    #24170227 - 03/17/17 03:23 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I am still tinkering with calcium and pH, so I didn't add that yet.


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Re: Ferather's Corner | Experiments, tests and data [Re: Ferather]
    #24170669 - 03/17/17 06:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I added a lime (calcium, pH 8.8) water and trace sugar mixture to a clean syringe.
Then I fed 4 drops to my Tarragon paper sample, it's improved.

After about 2 days growth-speed almost doubled.

   


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Re: Ferather's Corner | Experiments, tests and data [Re: Ferather]
    #24170691 - 03/17/17 06:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

In short I added small (quick, soluble) units to a nutritionally rich, but complex energy source.
Small units are needed to provide enough basics to digest complex materials.


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Re: Ferather's Corner | Experiments, tests and data [Re: Ferather]
    #24172372 - 03/18/17 01:43 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I am testing cold calcium pasteurization of wooden toothpicks, using my un-enriched paper casing sample.
So far the basic WL-Tek provides soluble macro-micro nutrients and complex carbon sources.

I needed to add small units of carbon, in soluble form, before good growth.
The long pH bath (8.4 water) caused some breakdown of the pegs.

       

Typical Tarragon-Golden oyster sweet smell.


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    #24172384 - 03/18/17 01:49 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

In previous tests the pegs soaked up some micro-macro nutrients from the substrate or agar medium.


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Re: Ferather's Corner | Experiments, tests and data [Re: Ferather]
    #24177269 - 03/20/17 10:10 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Here I am testing WL-Tek with 50g compost powder per 100g dry paper instead of tea leaves, I'm doing 80% water content.
This sample is 25g dry paper, 12.5g compost powder. Assembled in the same way as the written WL-Tek.

The compost powder and soluble nutrients where added to water and mixed well.


I am not adding calcium in this setup, I am testing spores.

   

The compost contains 50% peat.


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    #24178511 - 03/20/17 05:36 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

The spore run has been fully assembled, I had some leftover substrate.
I added a sample of KO tissue to the leftovers for testing.

   


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Re: Ferather's Corner | Experiments, tests and data [Re: Ferather]
    #24180533 - 03/21/17 02:05 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Notes so far: Psilocybe Cyanescens | Germination: 7 - 12°C, 2 weeks | Colonization: 20 - 24°C, 2 weeks | Fruiting: 7 - 16°C

I will be doing 5 days fridge door (10°C), 4 days room temperature (22°C) and observation, then repeat.
Once the spores have germinated and there is growth, I will colonize and consolidate at 22°C.


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Re: Ferather's Corner | Experiments, tests and data [Re: Ferather]
    #24180557 - 03/21/17 02:12 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

The plain paper Tarragon sample to plain WL-Tek is accelerating. Due to nutrients, and a few added drops of carbon units.
The Tarragon gained enough power to digest complex sources, preferring the new substrate to the sample.

           

Three of four pegs have growth, sorry for the image quality.


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Re: Ferather's Corner | Experiments, tests and data [Re: Ferather]
    #24180857 - 03/21/17 03:57 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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The plain paper Tarragon sample to plain WL-Tek is accelerating. Due to nutrients, and a few added drops of carbon units.
The Tarragon gained enough power to digest complex sources, preferring the new substrate to the sample.

           

Three of four pegs have growth, sorry for the image quality.




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    #24180957 - 03/21/17 04:31 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I am leaving the spores for the time it takes for the King oyster tissue to grow out.
Then it will go into the fridge if there is no signs of germination, growth.

Left is the spores, right is the waste and tissue sample.

   


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    #24182424 - 03/22/17 07:30 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

The Tarragon sample has achieved full potential on 10g, dry, enriched paper.
There is a very thick radial, although it's hard to see, speed increases.

   


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    #24182481 - 03/22/17 08:09 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

So doing some reading, thermal oxidative degradation of sucrose produces lots of CO2, CaCO3 + CO2 = Ca(HCO3)2
Sugar should be clean, however it seems we can reduce the contamination chance of hydrated sugar.

In the process you make a cheap liquid carbon feed, no nutrients present however.
This setup is not ideal for spores and some species or strains (pH).


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Re: Ferather's Corner | Experiments, tests and data [Re: Ferather]
    #24182809 - 03/22/17 10:28 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Can you give some info about (bi)carbonates as a carbon source, as far as I know nothing grows on inorganic salts. Fungi and other organisms just need the calcium. It produces carbonates as a waste.

By burning the sugar you seem to just ruin the food source for mycelium. If you want CO2 you can also buy CO2 canisters or just use growing mycelium itself.


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Re: Ferather's Corner | Experiments, tests and data [Re: DutchMyco]
    #24182911 - 03/22/17 11:09 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

"As the crop progresses and more insoluble calcium oxalate is formed a counter effect is taking place. The reserve of calcium carbonate is highly insoluble so
is slow to react to oxalate. This is a hindrance to the mycelium function – chemistry comes to the rescue! As carbon dioxide streams through the casing
from the compost catabolism a reaction occurs with the excess of chalk. Equilibrium develops between the C02 and calcium carbonate where a
significant percentage is converted into soluble calcium bicarbonate. This solubility makes the conversion into insoluble calcium oxalate much easier for
the mycelium." -- Source


However I am now thinking of carbonated water (sparkling water) mixed with CaCO3.
There should be trace macro-micro nutrients but I'm not sure if its enough.

This is for small sizes of any type, not bulk substrates.


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    #24183141 - 03/22/17 12:32 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, to neutralize the produced oxalic acid. Which is a waste product high in carbon. It's not used a a feedsource, the feedsource would be something organic like sugar or cellulose, which is also the source for the carbon in the oxalic acid.


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    #24183247 - 03/22/17 01:03 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Very informative, that makes more sense. Oxalic acid is organic as you said (C2-H2-O4).
So what happens to the remaining "(HCO3)2" if the calcium is being used?

If it can breakdown and reassemble why cant it be utilized?


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    #24183354 - 03/22/17 01:40 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

"Tests with sawdust and the products of acid hydrolysis of wood.

On moist sawdust alone, both A. niger and P.ostreatus grew poorly, but on moist mixtures of sawdust with 10% of rice hulls or 87% of oatmeal, both organisms grew well.

When the sawdust was mixed with 25 % of inorganic compounds, growth of P. ostreatus was:

None with Ca(OH)2, (NH4)2HP04, or (NH4)2SO4.
Poor with Ca(N03)2, NaNO3, or KNO3.
Fair with calcium acetate.
Good with CaCO3 or CaHPO4.

The initial growth with CaHPO4 was less than that with CaCO3, but in 6 weeks growth was the same on both mixtures." -- Source


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    #24183363 - 03/22/17 01:42 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

"When nitrate is supplied as the sole nitrogen source in the medium, the presence of calcium and bicarbonate ions was shown to promote oxalate production in the fungus grown in pure culture (Lapeyrie et al. 1987) or in association with the plant (Casarin et al. 2003, 2004). As shown by Lapeyrie (1988), the carbon from bicarbonate is incorporated into the oxalate molecule synthesized by P. involutus, and available bicarbonate could therefore act as a limiting substrate especially in acidic situations. In contrast, oxalate could be produced in large amounts in calcareous situations characterized by high nitrification rates and high levels of bicarbonate. This oxalate release, coupled with proton release, could therefore be of great importance for the release of Pi from insoluble mineral P forms that are combined with calcium." -- Source


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    #24183491 - 03/22/17 02:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Produce water and CO2 to gas off just like any acid-base reaction. It is utilized in a way, reacts with the oxalic acid, but also other acids like there can be in soil or peat. It's a nice pH buffer I guess, neutralizing acids while being great for carbon sequestration in soil and turning back into carbonate when it dries and there are no acids. Helping the mycelium create a good growing environment while consuming a carbohydrate food source, in which calcium is also important for it metabolism.


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