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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Frog]
    #2370858 - 02/23/04 07:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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What is spirituality, though?




It's the essence of life.
The idea of spirituality is so abstract that any absolute definition is a mistake.

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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: MAIA]
    #2372152 - 02/23/04 03:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The idea of spirituality is so abstract that any absolute definition is a mistake.

Exactly.
It is subjective and, as such, the definition will vary from person to person.
It's like asking "What is the good life?"


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2372402 - 02/23/04 04:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So are we changing the definition of "spirituality" on this forum? Who's going to give Miriam notice?


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Frog]
    #2372817 - 02/23/04 06:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I doubt there will ever be a consensus on this issue... much like the free will vs. determinism debate... God vs. no God... etc.


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Frog]
    #2373678 - 02/23/04 11:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In a word - Compassion. Since the English language has so abused the word 'Love,' and the New Testament's Greek 'Agape' has been Latinized into 'Caritas,' which comes back to English as an insipid 'Charity,' I believe that Compassion sums up spirituality in its most profound sense.


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2374181 - 02/24/04 01:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'll go with that, too, Markos.


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2374297 - 02/24/04 02:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sclorch, would you mind doing me a favor? Find me a dictionary that states the definition of "spirituality" as you defined it. Hmmm?


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Frog]
    #2375089 - 02/24/04 09:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Spirituality simply IS. :lol:

Meaning, really. I see spirituality as meaning. PERSONAL meaning.  :laugh:
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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Frog]
    #2378022 - 02/26/04 04:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Sclorch, would you mind doing me a favor? Find me a dictionary that states the definition of "spirituality" as you defined it. Hmmm?



Find me a dictionary that doesn't define psiloc(yb)in as hallucinogenic.
Since I don't think that any of the altered perceptions or visions I experience while under the influence of psiloc(yb)in are REAL, I cannot agree with it's classification as a hallucinogen.

All I'm saying is that the concept of spirituality is biased in favor of esoteric belief systems. I argue that one does not need to believe in such things to be spiritual. What's wrong with a more grounded concept of spirituality?


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2378023 - 02/26/04 04:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Spirituality simply IS. :lol:

Meaning, really. I see spirituality as meaning. PERSONAL meaning.  :laugh:
Peace.



I can agree with this, too.


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2378880 - 02/26/04 11:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Because spirituality is not "everything", as much as you wish it was. You may "feel" spiritually about the trees, or the sky, or the universe, the same one feels spiritual in a religious sense, but that doesn't change the meaning of "spirituality".

You can't change the definition of a word to suit yourself, merely because you do not like that it doesn't encompass all that you wish. If someone is not spiritual, they cannot change the definition of the word in order to be included in its definition.


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Frog]
    #2380335 - 02/26/04 06:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sclorch: What's wrong with a more grounded concept of spirituality?

Frog: Because spirituality is not "everything", as much as you wish it was. You may "feel" spiritually about the trees, or the sky, or the universe, the same one feels spiritual in a religious sense, but that doesn't change the meaning of "spirituality".

I didn't say "everything" did I?

Frog: You can't change the definition of a word to suit yourself, merely because you do not like that it doesn't encompass all that you wish.

No?  So, is pencil lead actually made of lead?
Things change... and definitions change with them.

If someone is not spiritual, they cannot change the definition of the word in order to be included in its definition.

So now you are the judge of what "spiritual" is? (not an attack :wink:)
It's not like I changed the definition... Emerson, James, and other Enlightenment thinkers did that for me.  I'm just applying their ideas.


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2380687 - 02/26/04 08:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with Sclorch. Spirituality really is an abstract term with no definite definition. The definition given in the dictionary was just something that whoever wrote it, had to put. It really is a pretty open term and realistically it DOES vary from person to person...Spirituality is something that has to do with a concept that is beyond everyday life and facts. This can go from the concept of ones soul, to the belief in god, to the belief that there is a lot more to reality as we know it..and ofcourse the search for these things is what makes someone spiritual.


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2380879 - 02/26/04 09:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

>>Sclorch:  It's not like I changed the definition... Emerson, James, and other Enlightenment thinkers did that for me. I'm just applying their ideas.

Well, that's why we started a "What is Spirituality" thread.  What is it that they say spirituality is?  :grin:


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Frog]
    #2382117 - 02/27/04 07:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

one's relation with the fundamental mystery


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: raytrace]
    #2387140 - 02/28/04 07:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So far this is the best answer i've seen. You guys are argueing over the subjective part of this whole question which is pretty pointless if you ask me.

To determine the meaning of the WORD spirituality one must look at the definition of the word spirit.

Spirit:1. the incorporeal part of man in general or of an individual, or an aspect of this, such as the mind or soul. 2. this part, or or such an aspect, with relation to the religious, intellectual, cultural, or other concerns proper to it (things of the spirit)

Then we look at the definition of spirituality: the quality or fact of being spiritual

So really all spirituality is is an individual's relationship with his spirit or soul or as raytrace put it, the fundamental mystery.


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Re: What is Spirituality? [Re: Floydian]
    #2387485 - 02/28/04 10:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Floydian said:
So far this is the best answer i've seen. You guys are argueing over the subjective part of this whole question which is pretty pointless if you ask me.

To determine the meaning of the WORD spirituality one must look at the definition of the word spirit.

Spirit:1. the incorporeal part of man in general or of an individual, or an aspect of this, such as the mind or soul. 2. this part, or or such an aspect,  with relation to the religious, intellectual, cultural, or other concerns proper to it (things of the spirit)

Then we look at the definition of spirituality:  the quality or fact of being spiritual

So really all spirituality is is an individual's relationship with his spirit or soul or as raytrace put it, the fundamental mystery.




I don't think spirituality = "fundamental mystery".  That we have spirits may be a fundamental mystery.  Where do our spirits come from?  A higher power.  How do we be spiritual?  By having a relationship with one's higher power. 

That's the definition, I think.  Now, what's your higher power? 

I think we've got it.  :grin:  Thanks.


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