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Servant of the Fungi Registered: 10/06/13 Posts: 6,221 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 hour, 56 minutes |
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This post is mainly directed to those who experience "visions" of aliens/entities/other in psychedelic experiences.
What if "Aliens" aren't as real as you thought they were.. what are "Aliens"? May you ponder.. I feel as if the aliens people see while tripping could just be a manifestation of your subconscious mind. They may appear to you so you actually are forced to believe in the unknown(what can't be seen all the time.) Since there's no other way to "show you" and you don't get the message through feeling. Though, your mind portrays this to you as symbolism through manifestation as "alien" because the word alien is the only "ALIEN" thing to this planet you know of. Therefore it manifests as aliens, as you previously conceived them in your mind to be. But really it's just not you understanding, it could be the manifestation of your higher self, the numbers, synchronicities and thoughts, oneness, connectedness coming to me I would say was just me being in tune with my higher self, not "Aliens giving me messages" the unseen force is You. You are the alien. Everything around you is just a reflection of your self. Maybe aliens and entities in general are just a collective manifestation of the subconscious, we don't know what to believe so we imagine something and hold the belief on the "unknown" and "Aliens" are like a God to you in a sense(believing in what can't be proved/higher power) Except we are the God. We are the Aliens. We are the imagination of ourselves. -- People used to see Angels... now they see Aliens. They might be the same thing/entity. The amorphous keepers of the gates. Manifesting in a subjective way to the one who is experiencing them. Basically, within our own mental framework, communicating us in a way that we will at the very minimum accept, but all the while confined to our unique dispositions. And it very well could be us who is doing the communicating. Since most of us are so outwardly seeking, we have an unconscious belief that we have to experience something outside of us, when all along the source could be within. -------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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of course they are manifestations of the subconscious mind.
But we must ask ourselves..why aliens? why is it that we all experience these entities/aliens/ufo's? why dont we experience other things? just because something exists in the mind doesnt make it any less real if it is truly happening to you. how do we know aliens didnt set all this up and rig the trip so that we view them? i have experienced true entity contact 3 times in my psychedelic career. one was off 4 grams of mushrooms and there was a praying mantis on the foot of my bed and all reality was eminating from its back. the other was on salvia where these basketball type entities were hopping along above my head. some stopped and asked what i was doing in their world and seemed to be as confused as i was and the other was my famous "God meeting" where i made it rain and out of my wall hovered a hologramatic golden disc the size of a dinner plate that flew up to my left eye -------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Servant of the Fungi Registered: 10/06/13 Posts: 6,221 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 hour, 56 minutes |
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Quote: See that's the thing, if this stuff happened to me I would end up in a ward probably. I don't see stuff that's not there, that would totally freak me out. No matter how high I dose, I'm not going to have entities or aliens manifest in my trip, it just doesn't happen. 5g of mushrooms brings me to a white light waiting room. Smoked DMT brought me to the face of my death and beyond, I didn't see anything though. I can feel. I focus inwards when I trip, I don't focus on visuals, visions or anything of that sense and they don't appear either besides the general morphing/bending/shapes. I'm wondering how and why people are experiencing these manifestations, and in my opinion it's just the way those people's minds work, they need to see to believe. In my case I only need to feel to believe, so I never see anything? -------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Quote: I have tripped many many times. I never thought i would experience such entities but on a special cold windy night if the dose is right...it just may happen TO YOU! and when it does...you will be ready i never go into a trip with expectations. i let whatever happen just happen. i tripped over a hundred times easy and 3 times with entity contact isnt much, but i will say those times it did happen were more than legit. it wasnt just my imagination making it happen...it really happened.. -------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Servant of the Fungi Registered: 10/06/13 Posts: 6,221 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 hour, 56 minutes |
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Interesting I will keep that in mind.. Yeah you manifested it through subconscious, it actually happened in your reality. I bet if someone was right next to you when it did, they wouldn't be able to see it though. In that sense it's not as real as you thought it was, it's only real as you know real to be: your perspective of reality. In that sense, we are the creators of our own reality, we are a clone or reflection of something the same but not the creator of Reality. A dream of a dream of sorts
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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Stranger Registered: 08/30/04 Posts: 1,049 Last seen: 17 hours, 16 minutes |
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Visions of aliens and spaceships are common on Ayahuasca for many people (see below):
From page 416 "Antipodes of the Mind". These are some of the most commonly seen various content items (the core corpus) that Benny Shannon found that he himself and hundreds of interviewers saw with closed eyes on the Caapi/harmala brews: The use of these plants span many thousands of years of history, back to a time where it was once consumed and revered for its ability to bring someone into contact with spiritual realities, the obtaining of secret inner knowledge, and visionary experiences of a divine world. Quote:
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Restful Soul Registered: 03/11/13 Posts: 1,122 Loc: 5th Dimension Last seen: 8 months, 5 days |
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I think that psychedelics peel back the "fabrics of reality", and show you the real truth of what's out there. The reality we're living in right now is fake, and it's on purpose because some people couldn't handle the surrealness 24/7. But when we take psychedelics, we peer into other dimensions layered on top of ours.
The entities reside in the other dimensions, and we can see/talk to them while on psychedelics. Every entity I've talked to doesn't feel like it's me. They feel so separate. Just my take. -------------------- ![]()
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Stranger Registered: 08/30/04 Posts: 1,049 Last seen: 17 hours, 16 minutes |
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Agree with Kinshino, in that there are multiple realities or dimensions.
Graham Hancock recounts how he saw an alien appear on Ayahuasca in his book "Supernatural" (short quote): Quote: More elaboration on ET's seen on Ayahuasca from Benny Shannon's book "Antipodes of the mind" short quote: Quote: Edited by tregar (11/28/16 11:47 AM)
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Servant of the Fungi Registered: 10/06/13 Posts: 6,221 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 hour, 56 minutes |
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Quote: And don't all those dimensions reside within our minds.. Perhaps it doesn't feel like you because it is "Alien" to you. You don't understand it. You have amnesia from the death and rebirth cycle Maybe the "aliens" abduct and probe the unconscious, to make them conscious and track their progress. The people that don't experience alien hallucinations already fully believe in them(selves?) Maybe we are the aliens, time traveling back in time from the future to save ourselves from our inevitable destruction. It would make sense to also have alien consciousness in forms of human embodiment, "old souls" could just be a higher evolved species of human, brought here to save a dying breed. At least that's what it feelslike. The higher evolved forms of humans(high spirits) may innately be connecting with their higher self or power which is their futuristic self consciousness. Time traveling through spirit to find yourself. The aliens(futuristic us) time travel backwards to learn about our history from amnesia due to the death and rebirth cycle. The humans (us currently) time travel forward to learn about the futuristic us, to see where we are headed. Present, past and future all exist simutaneously it would make sense that "time travel" is just layers of reality in other words dimensions of reality, they all exist simutaneously and to peer into them is as easy as allowing your consciousness to shift and drift in a psychedelic (vulnerable open state) As we all tread the homeward path. Bound infinitely and innately by the great unifying force - Love Alien has a similar etymology to monster (ungenauer). It means foreigner, or not one of us. Jung spoke of the shadow, of the alienation of self. To Nietzsche evolution that makes the monster. "All great things must first wear monstrous and terrible masks", he said. The future us is backwards, horrifying and abhorrent. To us that future is distant, forgiven, alien. The vengeful gods of rabbit culture are drawn like falcons, and our own fearful gods are drawn like more evolved versions of ourselves, they touch the future. -------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself" Edited by Eclipse3130 (11/28/16 12:04 PM)
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Bloomer Registered: 05/15/14 Posts: 2,867 Last seen: 2 hours, 34 minutes |
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I think the visuals are all very subjective. One person may see their religious idol, another person may see their family or themself, another person may see aliens or self dribbling basketball elves. I think it has a lot to do with our expectations and imaginative structure. You can't see something that you're not open to imagining. So you'll never see aliens if they're not a concept you believe is possible.
The subject may be different for anyone, but the underlying theme seems to be awe-striking intelligence from beyond. Colorful, infinite, divine. From beyond our spacious earth, or beyond this dimension, or beyond our awareness of ourselves.
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Quote: I disagree. I grew up christain and never thought of aliens or UFOs and didnt read anything before my DMT breakthrough where a spaceship slowly flew up to me. It resembled the Millennium Falcon in shape and i absolutely hated star wars. -------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Bloomer Registered: 05/15/14 Posts: 2,867 Last seen: 2 hours, 34 minutes |
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Quote: But the fact that you know what ufo's and aliens are enables you to imagine them, even if you've never seen anything like it before. That's why you're most likely to compare an unbelievable dmt visual to a spaceship or alien because they're conceptual icons of the unknown and unrealized. Just like anyone who's watched a pop-youtube video on dmt has probably familiarized themselves with the term "elf". The description is vague and open to imagination but for many new users it's the only reference they know so it's all they can describe their experience as.
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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One word: pareidolia
Your brain has the most sophisticated facial recognition software on earth and it is programmed to recognize potential dangers like people, snakes, spiders etc. When on psychedelics, the "noise" level gets turned up on your brain's interpretive software and it starts inventing more and more rather than taking in stimulus, to where the facial recognition programming and other preset, evolved modes of cognition end up going into overdrive. Where does the stuff it invents come from, if not actual outside? Memory, the unconscious and collective unconscious/archetypal images. Why are aliens an archetypal image? Good fucking question. ![]() The thing I find more interesting, is why all the fractals and sacred geometry? If you look at the art in Iranian mosques, it looks so much like LSD or DMT visuals that it's kind of mind blowing. Were they on something or just tapping into the same part of the mind? Why are those patterns in our mind and do they have some kind of significance? They certainly elicit a certain feeling of awe and reverence, but why?
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Warrior Registered: 10/01/14 Posts: 1,613 Loc: UK Last seen: 2 months, 30 days |
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Quote: Agreed on pareidolia. I think this is more apparent in some than others, Even low dose LSD and I'm seeing 'entities' ![]() Quote: Form Constants. Quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fo
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Quote: i disagree ![]() i refuse to sweep it under the rug because i simply knew what UFOs were. This doesnt explain why one flew up to my left eye that night -------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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Quote: Think about it this way. Have you ever seen a movie with a UFO? Bam. Now you know where it came from. Anything in your memory can pop up in the psychedelic realm, which has been shown to be very similar cognitively to the dreamspace. You're basically dreaming awake. If you think your dreams are real then ok sure, your visions are too. They're real in the sense that they are valid psychological phenomena that may have personal, subjective veracity, but in terms of the shared, external reality they are nothing but electrical charges running through your meat computer. I have REM sleep disorder, which basically means my brain doesn't dream properly and I have a weird state of half-dream half- psychosis and I'm not paralyzed during it so I run around the house, attack my wife, break lamps yell and scream at invisible monsters and all kind of stupid bullshit if I don't take medication. One of the recurring delusions I have at night is that aliens with tentacles are coming in and butt probing me. God knows why. I think my hairy ass gets sweaty and tickles me in the middle of the night. The neighbors have an automatic spotlight that shines through the curtains and looks like fucking Roswell in the middle of the night and sets me off too. So, if I were some hillbilly living in the sticks alone, I would probably be convinced that I am special, that aliens visit me all the time and want to probe my butt. Luckily, I am not an inbred halfwit dingus, I realize I have a medical condition, that my ass hair is probably tickling me in the middle of the night, that the alien spotlights are from the neighbor, the sounds of the mothership are the streetsweeping machine passing by and if I take some Klonopin I will have regular dreams like a normal person and the "aliens" will leave me the fuck alone. Don't let drugs sell you on a line of bullshit my friend. Enjoy them, but keep it rational in your waking life. Or not, I know some people love the Tao of Woo and there's no arguing with them. But really, if there were aliens they'd either save us from ourselves, enslaves us or kill us off. They wouldn't send UFOs through plant smoke and dreams and obsessively probe our anal cavities.
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Then why dont i get UFO's everytime?
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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Quote: Why don't you have the same trip every time? Or the same dreams every night? I would say it would be more convincing if your entities were always the same and were more elaborate. Recurring dreams are pretty common and even then, my butt-alien nightmares are never the same and are very sketchy and dreamlike in their nonsensical, psycho-mimetic nature. I have had a shit-ton of entity contact on psychedelics and were I an ignorant native in the jungle I'd think they were hekura or deities, sure. They always have a very numinous aura about them and they have a physical, palpable otherness and psychic connection where I feel their thoughts telepathically. I don't generally dose high enough to hear them outright. I always listen to classical music while tripping with the lights off and while really tripping hard the instruments become the voices of the entities and the entities are the physical embodiment of the sound, it's a form of synesthesia. Psychedelics have a powerful way of making you feel another presence, which is again a naturally evolved cognitive heuristic because we are highly social animals and need to know when an "other" is present. Take the LSD "psychic" phenomenon, lots of people feel psychically connected to each other during group trips, but if you have a sober sitter who doesn't believe in woo, they won't feel that connection and will tell you you're full of shit and weren't reading their mind, that their experience was totally different, it's a projection of the "other" from your mind and group psychology tends to make people all tripping together more gullible to the power of suggestion. I think that feeling of connection with the other is the first stage of ego loss, where you merge with the universe and realize that the only thing that separates Brahman from Atman is your ego. Only, here, you feel connected to the other because your self has not quite merged with it. I have high school friends that suffer from schizophrenia. They have entity contact all the time. At a certain point, pareidolia can be so extreme as to not only find faces in nothing, but to put a voice and a sense of otherness on those hallucinations and believe they are actually a truly separate being. I know I won't sway you toward a more reasonable stance, but really, try reading more neuroscience and less mojojojo. It does a body good.
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Registered: 11/17/16 Posts: 180 Loc: Canada |
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Quote: If I close my eyes, and focus intently long enough, I can see entities which were a lot more profound while tripping. Quote: I always wondered about this..
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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Ultimately, I think that the problem of consciousness, of the universe, of existence and reality, is so complex, so mind-boggingly elaborate that any of our petty explanations are bound to fall short. Due to Godel's incompleteness theorem, we cannot possibly know where this system came from and how it truly functions from within the system. "God" or "Aliens" is a cop-out. There is only the unknown. We just don't fucking know, or understand, and aliens is too simplistic and easy to be the real answer.
![]() Metaphysics and other unfalsifiable theories are to me, quite unsatisfactory. There is an artistic world where things are irrational and that is great, but let art be art and let reason be reason, don't try to understand the physical universe in terms of the inner experience. Empirical, shared reality is the only thing we can be certain of. And don't even try to get solipsistic on me, that's the biggest cop out of all.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (11/29/16 11:15 AM)
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Registered: 11/17/16 Posts: 180 Loc: Canada |
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Even if someone felt as though they had come to some sort of understanding, I don't believe it is possible to articulate it. Words simply do not have enough meaning to explain the unexplainable.
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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Quote: Yeah, a lot of religious/spiritual experiences make sense if you've had them, like I know the burning bush and resurrection because I've experienced them first hand and was like "Aha!" but people get all caught up in the words and the symbols, the finger pointing to the moon, and go astray of the actual experience. That's the difference between "religion" and "spirituality" IMO.
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Quote: You just werent there therefore you cannot understand. Your entity contact and your friends sounds neat and whatnot but what i met wasn't just another entity...it was the soul .it was god..it was..syntax mind and machine all in one. Before the spaceship split time and space and crossed dimensions it literally started raining hard out of nowhere. This thing was so "holy" that it entered upon making it rain plus when slowly hovered up to me..it wouldn't let me look at it directly. I could only see 95% of it despite looking right at it. Also after a minute or 2 i outstretched my hand in sttempt to touch it and the exact moment before i could touch it it slowly hovered away. Point being...this thing was far more aware of me. It knew me better than i knew myself But wait it was just my imagination and it proves nothing and was a useless experience ![]() I have had other entity experiences which were all nice and dandy but this was "THEE ENTITY" straight up nothing to fuck with. It was "IT" -------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Time Traveler Registered: 03/04/15 Posts: 347 Loc: Here Last seen: 5 years, 1 month |
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Quote: I have had many experiences of having shared visuals with other people. Maybe these beings are only able to be experienced in psychedelic states. That seems more plausible to me than many people experiencing the same kinds of beings because of some subconscious yearning we all somehow have. All reality is based on perception, even sober reality, so that claim is invalid. Everyone has different life experiences, that they then base what the call reality to be off of. I am a firm believer that these states of mind allow us to contact intelligent life forms we would otherwise have no way communicating with. Thats just my two cent, though, and I am fully aware that I could be totally wrong. But based on my experiences it is true to me, and thats all that really matters.
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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Quote: I have seen the face of God, death, become one with the void, felt eternity and the universal oneness and all that shit bro. Take a year or two off psychedelics and look back with perspective, the illusions will wear off. You are stuck very deeply in the ghost cave.
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Quote: ![]() And why not quote my whole reply instead of chopping half of it off just to make your sorry attempt to impress me look even worse? Step up your game there, champ -------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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Quote: Our perception of "reality" is incomplete. One thing we know is that our senses play tricks on us all the time. Study the mind, I mean actually study it, with science and not metaphysical word games, and you can see the way in which your mind plays tricks, get a feel for your cognitive biases and then, with low doses of psychedelics you can throw a stone in the water and see the reflections warp and scatter, you can get a feel for what you're seeing in the mirror and get a feel for the imperfect lens through which you're seeing. Go further and the image shatters and is gone, with DMT the outside world is completely cut off and everything is a manifestation of the inner world and inner self. The inner eye is named that for a reason. If you want to believe there are whole worlds inside you, sure, ok, but even then any "aliens" you encounter will not be true aliens because they are not outside your own experience. If you believe the patterns you see when completely whited out you have lost the outside for a funhouse mirror, you have danced with the trickster and been led astray. It's very sad to see people take these drugs and destroy their old delusions only to gain new, completely absurd ones. If anything, you should have learned to doubt your senses by now, and to doubt them most when using these drugs. If you believe in your self as manifestation of perception and external reality, which you must in order to avoid solipsism, which states that only the inner experience is real, then you must take careful, judicious stock of your perceptions, measure them with other actors from the outside and use empiricism to justify claims of veracity. Any sensory perception that is not empirically verifiable with other sober people from the outside must be assumed to be internal and of the mythopoeic realm, or magical thinking starts to creep in. To give more weight to the dream state, to altered perceptions that are manifestly internal (just trip sit sober a few times to get a feel for how internal those experiences are) is to lose your touchstone with reality and remain in the dreamworld. If that gets you through your day and makes you happy, have fun with it, but it's mental masturbation and completely ludicrous. We can agree to disagree but the fact that you believe your claims does not mean they are not unfalsifiable, solipsistic and irrational. ![]()
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Servant of the Fungi Registered: 10/06/13 Posts: 6,221 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 hour, 56 minutes |
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Quote: That's the reason why you think it's intelligent life forms is because that's what you saw. If you saw oranges, if you saw nothing instead of beings what would you think, you would of never came to this conclusion. That's why your hallucinations are directly a subjective unique experience to the reality that you perceive and chose to believe in, For your mind to first be open, accept and believe in the "higher power" your subconscious had to show you in form of manifestation of beings as a way of "seeing is believing" not everyone has to see to believe. There's many ways to arrive at the higher states of mind, and there's not one right answer what consciousness is. In your reality beings are the source of this higher power and send you the higher information, in someone else's it just pops in their head as thoughts or realizations. Most people are just visually orienated, outwardly searching, others look inward and feel. A shared experience is a different story and requires all users to be under the influence, sober people don't see what tripping people see. -------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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Servant of the Fungi Registered: 10/06/13 Posts: 6,221 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 hour, 56 minutes |
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We're all here together inhabiting the same consciousness, embodied through manifestation. We are living an illusion of our own projection, everything in existance is created in our minds through consciousness, we would never be able to explore the external "physical" world without first exploring internally. The external world as I know it, is just a projection of the internal world - literally physically manifested collectively. Our minds are vast like the universe, knowing we will never be able to explore it thoroughly as it ever expands and changes infinitely in flux. You cannot make a rocket without first imaging it. Literally everything in existance is a mere projection, there's no such thing as real. We are dreaming.
Consciousness is projecting our existance like virtual reality projects a simulation, we aren't confined to the box of reality, reality is confined to the box of consciousness. Essentially meaning we are reaching a point of understanding where we are replicating existance within a new dimension or new reality(the virtual reality system)or a new self illusion. We are raising our vibration so to speak to be able to inhabit other states of mind or realms of consciousness(dimensions) If you assume any rate of advancement virtual reality will become indistinguishable from this current reality. And at that point whose to say we won't be living a dream within a dream, at that point, whose to say the cycle won't continue infinitely, what happens if the dreamer doesn't wake up? It would make sense they get lost in their own illusion. Consciousness is demanding to evolve to adapt to these changes, you must first realize you are dreaming in the first place, to gain awareness of self/consciousness or existance won't make sense to you. What happens if the dreamer realizes they are in a dream? It's the first step to ascending into the next dream. An infinite cycle of existance, and if you never wake up then you'll never know any different. You can experience consciousness or you can be confined to a human experience(accepting you are not an illusion of the self)and be stuck in the 3rd dimensional plane, you won't evolve -------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself" Edited by Eclipse3130 (11/29/16 07:33 PM)
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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Eclipse, I get what you're saying and there is a lot of philosophy that agrees with you, the whole Zen school, and the Taoist underpinnings of much of Eastern philosophy all corroborate what you're saying and you are in good company in believing what you do. You have a sophisticated ken of it and I respect that. I know of Chuang Tzu's butterfly dream, however I cannot get behind it.
Having experienced various states of consciousness, from hypnogagic psychotic states, varying levels of psychedelic gnosis from ego death and merging with a universal consciousness to full dissolution of external reality/consciousness into a blank slate of awareness that is merged with the void (all these things are difficult to describe but I assume you can draw parallels from your own experience) I have come to different conclusions about the separation from the internal and external worlds. There is a substrate consciousness that we share, that much we can agree. Whether you call this "God," "The Universe," "Brahman," "The Dream," whatever, I think most psychonauts have experienced it. Beyond that, we are an individual looking through a lense and getting light in. We don't know if that lens is truly connected to an outer reality, or simply creating the light in and of itself. That lens is our "human" mind. We can't really prove or disprove either theory, so in the end it is a matter of belief. However, I find solipsism to be a self defeating and useless philosophy that impedes learning about the miraculous wonders outside our own mind, whether you think you're a God creating them or that they come from something outside, you have to admit that "reality" is incredibly fascinating. From my experiences in warping and manipulating the lens, through my own atypical neurology, I have found it to seem most likely that what we call "conscious" thought and awareness is indeed connected to an external force. The senses may be pitiful reductions of infinite complexity, but it is out there. One of the reasons I distrust dreams and the whole Taoist metaphor of dreaming life is that I have a disrupted dream cycle and don't dream properly. As a child my dreams were more typical and they felt "real," as real as reality, but as my REM sleep deteriorated, they became more fragmentary, psychotic, incomplete and paltry, until they hardly resemble waking life at all and thus are very easy to differentiate from consciousness. My wife has very vivid dreams, the dreams she has are basically just as real as true experiences. I have a handful of dreams that vivid in my life. It is easy to believe dreams and hallucinations when they're well formed and believable, but I have had so many half-assed, malformed ones that they are very easy to dismiss. I also have bi-polar disorder and journal regularly, and through constant monitoring of my own thoughts I have learned pretty well to spot and discard manic, paranoid, and irrational thought patterns. I have a lot of friends that are neurosurgeons and neuroscientists. They cut up brains, do surgery on people, etc. etc. I myself have studied a lot of anatomy, neuroscience and cognition in order to understand my own strange neuroanatomy and to become a functioning human being. The more I learn about the external, the more science I read and the better my understanding of it, the more I learn about cognitive bias, mental illness etc. the easier it is to dismiss the Buddhist idea of a dewdrop world. It is a leap of faith yes, to accept that you are not the center of the universe and the substrate of everything, but it an important step to take in getting beyond a bunch of hokey bullshit and understanding the nature of what we're experiencing. Without it we'd just be snorting yopo in the jungle instead of walking on the moon and sending robots to Mars. And Bill, if I excise portions of text it is because we've already discussed something and I'm responding to a particular point and highlighting it, quoting the whole text entirely is annoying and clogs up threads with redundant bullshit. Anybody who wants to know the whole conversation can go back and read the thread in its entirety. Your experiences seem real to you congrats. I know I'm not going to sway you, I'm just stating my opinion and I think you're delusional and should take a break from drugs. Edited by P.Zappatecorum (11/30/16 12:17 PM)
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Take a break from drugs? I have tripped 3 times in the past 2-3 years
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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White Male Registered: 09/08/16 Posts: 467 Loc: shroom capital o Last seen: 7 years, 1 month |
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Quote: You just said everything you see is from memory then you contradicted yourself saying how it's interesting the fractals and geometry you see are sacred. How can it be from memory if you've never seen them before? Things iv'e seen on psychadelics i've never seen in my entire life and they are not implicit memories because i could have never been in the position to see them. Now i'm about to contradict myself. What if, just what if the things you're seeing you've actually seen before, but before you were born, or somehow as a fetus. -------------------- MDMA is over rated
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Bloomer Registered: 05/15/14 Posts: 2,867 Last seen: 2 hours, 34 minutes |
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Bill's always been stubborn, the drugs haven't changed him. If anything, he hasn't tripped enough. 1 alien encounter and he's convinced that's real. The more times you go that far, the more you open your mind and eventually anyone can relax their archetypes into different forms and see the connections / underlying theme. I think it's wrong to put any of the forms on a pedestal, because then you sound like an ego maniac trying to impose a personal version of reality. All we can say for sure is that no one knows exactly what's going on because it's way more complicated than our models of reasoning are capable of processing.
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Bloomer Registered: 05/15/14 Posts: 2,867 Last seen: 2 hours, 34 minutes |
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Quote: Yep, that's another possibility. Like the akashic library - tapping into experience and knowledge that the species or consciousness has acquired, but was previously unknown or inaccessible to you. I think all humans are connected, if not every living organism. Even though we've split forms and bodies and grown independently like hairs, we may all be connected at the root to one conscious singularity. DMT may be giving a glimpse of that unity and wholeness - the source of infinitely wild creations.
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White Male Registered: 09/08/16 Posts: 467 Loc: shroom capital o Last seen: 7 years, 1 month |
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Quote: Ever astral projected or had a REAL obe? Come back and tell me that wasn't real. You are saying all of this stuff like your 100% positive, you would be the first person to ever figure that out for 100% positive. Also, i've heard all of this before this isn't even you're personal experience you heard it from some guy with a UK accent. -------------------- MDMA is over rated
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White Male Registered: 09/08/16 Posts: 467 Loc: shroom capital o Last seen: 7 years, 1 month |
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Quote: I am not familiar with the akashic library. I'll have to look into it. I have also been pondering that second thought. The only thing that contradicts it is everyone experience reality different because of emotions brain chemistry and that kinda stuff. -------------------- MDMA is over rated
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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Quote: We do have memories from before our life. It's called DNA. The archetypes are hardwired into our minds. Also, see the post a while back on form constants. Quote: Agreed. His manic/hyperactive posting style gets under my skin from time to time. We must remain skeptical of everything, though there are certainly some things that require more scrutiny and a greater burden of proof than others. One thing that I haven't mentioned that leads me to believe in an external reality is dissociative states, where there is no psychedelia or distortion of normal perception/reality, only a delirium in which you are taking in that undistorted, normal perception but the mind doesn't recognize it. Also, black-out states where your conscious mind is gone but you're still functioning, writing, talking, fucking, whatever and other people can tell you what happened, take pictures/videos, or you've posted something online or written it down and yet you have no memory of it, or with your conscious mind you remember the confusion of a dissociative state and what you were seeing and are able to put it all back together and see how whacked out of your skull you were. Saying the totality is all a matter of a single consciousness doesn't account for those times we're unconscious but still interacting with reality and there is a confused or dimmed awareness of the external, but the ego/consciousness is incapacitated. I had a long period of alcoholism that made me quite familiar with those states. I think an overuse of tryptamines, trusting in them blindly and putting them forward as the soul arbiters of truth is a common problem in this community. There are other tools, and when used together can give you a more balanced, rounded picture of self, reality and illusion. The late Robert Aitken, a prominent teacher of Zen, warned of the dangers of "pernicious oneness" which is confusing the interconnectedness, the interpenetration and interelations of things with a bland unity. Saying "we're all one," and things like that is reductive. We are all one, and we are all unique and separate, and yet we are not one, and not separate. Our conscious experience is a reduction, a map of something more complex, and from what we can learn from that map, and external sources it, is apparent that there is both the koinos kosmos, or shared reality, and the idios kosmos, or inner reality. It is helpful to learn to differentiate the two. The psychedelic world, the crystal palace and all its inhabitants, are demonstrably part of the idios kosmos. Bill, I'm curious, what kind of stuff do you read? Where do you get your ideas?
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White Male Registered: 09/08/16 Posts: 467 Loc: shroom capital o Last seen: 7 years, 1 month |
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Quote: -------------------- MDMA is over rated
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Warrior Registered: 10/01/14 Posts: 1,613 Loc: UK Last seen: 2 months, 30 days |
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Quote: This would describe perfectly one of my first experiences on ketamine. Sat on a sofa, seeing the whole room, seeing/hearing my friends, and yet it was like the part of my brain that recognised or understood anything was shut off completely, everything looked incredibly strange and alien, foreign to me, all pattern recognition shut down (which would seem to be the opposite of classic psychs where it's sent into overdrive) It was quite 'psychedelic' in it's own weird way..
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Quote: I have had other alien experiences but nothing compares to that one time i smoked DMT on mushrooms and god flew up to me. I know it sounds naive to say but i dont think i can get any higher when it comes to NN-DMT. This was THE UFO in its naked form. It was the transcendental object. It wasnt just some ufo or alien amidst the chaos in a psychedelic experience. This thing was IT I may not have tripped enough but i tripped enough to become schizophrenic so i think thats enough
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Quote: Yeah like the other poster said my ideas just come from my personal experiences. Whenever i trip it was always alone so i have gotten near the thing. I read and listen to mckenna..watts..hancock..leary.. -------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Stranger Registered: 11/30/16 Posts: 3 Last seen: 6 years, 11 months |
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So I recently have started up some magic mushrooms! I have in total 6 1 quart jars with WBS colonizing as we speak. Now... It was hard for me to find coco coir anywhere around me. Walmart, home depot, even local feed stores. All a big bust. So I got this stuff called "coco loco" for my substrate. Has earthworm castings, coco coir, oyster, and some other great ingredients. Im a little nervous about using this as my substrate, but I have a feeling it will be okay. Has anyone used this as a substrate or see any issues with it? This is my first time getting into this, and I've grown some Mary j before which was a blast, but I know these are 2 very different ball parks.
They will be growing in 6quart tubs, and I have 3 different types. Now... When its time to Fruit and harvest, how do I keep my product going without having to use another syringe? I've done some research and it seems that spore printing is the answer im looking for, but im just not fully understanding the method behind it. Im more of the type of person who has to see something physically done, then Im a professional. Reading things on the Internet to learn new methods, at times, is challenging for me. Can someone explain to me how that process goes? And how I can keep my shrooms going strong/double in yield after my first harvest?
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shoulda died already Registered: 11/03/12 Posts: 36,294 |
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McKenna makes my brain feel like it's tripping. I love Watts though, he is very 'me'. His concepts really agree with me and his voice is kinda cool.
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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I like Watts too, McKenna is spot on at times and completely nutty at others. He's hit and miss for me.
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Stranger Registered: 03/14/04 Posts: 4,828 |
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Quote: makes good sense also why do children believe there are monsters under the bed?and in the closet? or adults believe in spirits, ghosts, and all sorts of very different Gods? so it's really not that exotic a phenomenon In the case of the little kids there is a good psychological explanation. In the middle ages women were burned for being witches in Europe, and in the USA we had the Salem witch trials, rationality seems to be only a fragile veneer which is mediated by the brain, a delicate organ, and psychedelics mess with the brain big time
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Quote: I litterally can never get sick of mckenna. His voice is something i reay grew to enjoy as well. I go to sleep often listening to him. I have heard everything on youtube from him several times
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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Quote: And nearly all of our rationality, that tiny bit that makes us human, puts us above most animals and gives us the consciousness we call "I" is governed by the forebrain (cerebral cortex), which is put out of commission by psychedelics while more ancient parts of the mind become more interconnected, hence why we sometimes feel reversion to childlike, reptilian, and insectoid states, and why following those paths will have you finding new religions and acting in general like a cave man discovering the spirit world in ancient rites. An interesting read is Julian Jaynes' "The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind," his ultimate hypothesis is tenuous at best but the first half of the book, where he defines consciousness in a very precise way, is essential reading and he did predict certain things that were later proven by neuroimaging. You'll see him referenced in footnotes in cognitive science books now and then, it is obscure but one of the most important books in terms of informing my particular views on consciousness.
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I love you guys Registered: 10/14/15 Posts: 167 Last seen: 8 months, 18 days |
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Quote: I too, have seen "It". No one will understand until they themselves see it. You know immediately and are filled with a great feeling of emotion and significance. This book really helped me make sense of it all. Highly recommended if you interact with lots of beings during your trips. -------------------- "Science does not yet really have the faintest idea what hallucinations are." - Graham Hancock
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Lophophilus Registered: 10/15/12 Posts: 2,094 Loc: Cactaceae Last seen: 3 years, 5 months |
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Hancock.
![]() "Canadian author Heather Pringle has placed Graham Hancock within a particular pseudo-intellectual tradition going back at least to Heinrich Himmler's infamous research institute, the Ahnenerbe. She specifically links Hancock's book Fingerprints of the Gods to the work of Nazi archaeologist Edmund Kiss, a man described by mainstream scientists of the time as a 'complete idiot'"
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Bodhi Registered: 08/16/16 Posts: 26,658 Loc: The Primordial Mind |
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Quote: all yeps. -------------------- Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Quote: Bu the sounds of things i do not believe you have yet experienced The Transcendental Object at the end of time -------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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I love you guys Registered: 10/14/15 Posts: 167 Last seen: 8 months, 18 days |
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my favorite author was just compared to a nazi, haha. -------------------- "Science does not yet really have the faintest idea what hallucinations are." - Graham Hancock Edited by Get Shwifty (12/01/16 10:02 AM)
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Servant of the Fungi Registered: 10/06/13 Posts: 6,221 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 hour, 56 minutes |
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The transcendental object at the end of time was White Light for me. Like a waiting room for souls, but maybe you can go past that, but I firmly believe everyone's manifestation is personal to them.
![]() Terence McKenna once spoke of what he referred to as the transcendental object at the end of history as the unifying vision that all seekers see in the hallucinations of mushrooms, LSD, DMT, Mescaline and Ayahuasca. He described this object as the same thing, book looking different. In describing this monolithic object, he cited the mathematical concept of a free floating cone in blank space. He added that if we were to imagine this simple object viewed by many, we would see that no two people would see it in the exact same light, shape and form. In fact the view of that simple object would not be the same for any two people. It’s almost as if they were not seeing the same object at all. And so, we understand that our views are very different even though we may bear witness to the same experience -------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself" Edited by Eclipse3130 (12/01/16 10:44 AM)
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Nah man the transcendental object is (from his mouth) a hologramatic golden disc that is part mind...part syntax..and part machine. Its the oversoul.
It has nothing to do with white light or any of that. Its a spaceship that has haunted history like a ghost Im not trying to say you havent got deep with psychedelics just please dont confuse a white light or anything else with the real thing. It's exactly what hovered up to my left eye on dmt + mushrooms. Once you experience it you know it. The amazing part is that i experienced it before i even knew who mckenna was. I was in absolute shock when i heard him describe the exact thing i saw -------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Servant of the Fungi Registered: 10/06/13 Posts: 6,221 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 hour, 56 minutes |
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I don't doubt you had the experience for a second, I'm just saying not everyone sees Aliens, UFOS and entities on trips and it's odd how some do and some don't.
I would assume they only occur in visionary trances, maybe everyone will eventually see an alien appear on their trip, but it's less common than not, but more so the link between psychedelics and aliens is what is interesting. Why these people see UFOS and aliens and why other people don't is intruiging. It's not like you can see them on command, to me it sounds randomly occurring These experiences are totally different than "ego death" and "Oneness" experiences which recenter you in yourself. What's the outcome of experiencing the vision? Did it do anything for you besides leaving you with more questions. Like what's the message it gave you, this alien is different than your "higher self" so now you have 2 forms of higher intelligence?? are they two separate experiences? I don't get it. Aliens are gonna give me messages alongside my higher selfs messages? They just sound like the same thing to me. Manifesting in form of the intelligence isn't gonna change anything, but if I'm understanding right there's an alien intelligence alongside the higher self intelligence, and both are separate messages? Like what's an alien appearing going to tell me that I already don't ponder or know? Fill me with significance and meaning? I already get that enoughMaybe people like you need to be told and shown, you won't get it any other way and the people that already know don't need to be shown.
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself" Edited by Eclipse3130 (12/02/16 11:31 AM)
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Servant of the Fungi Registered: 10/06/13 Posts: 6,221 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 hour, 56 minutes |
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The outcomes of these visions and the messages you guys are receiving sounds like the same messages I receive on my ego death trips, except aliens don't directly tell me in form of visual manifestation, I receive the messages simply by staring into the sky in a trance, or with eyes shut meditating - nothing of these experiences or visions "stand out" besides it was a unique *personal* experience, it meant something to you and that's all that matters. For non "spiritual" people it only sounds obvious one would see an Alien entity as "proof" of higher power. In my opinion, the higher power is you man. You are the alien, my conclusion wasn't through physically seeing this higher power either and many people have many different opinions.
There's many different theories, but we could even be time traveling from the future back in time to save ourselves, learn about our past or help ourselves in a sense, the Aliens could be an entirely separate species, but I doubt that, I believe the Aliens are us and we are using our past selves for something - if you've seen any pictures of a common "Alien" there's one thing they're all missing is Genitals, they don't have genitals, it would make sense the only way for them to have "Sex" anymore would be through telepathic means, they comminucate and interact with us through higher consciousness as a way of "getting off", as a way of furthering their species which they can't no longer physically do. They(we) realize we will become extinct, they realize they will be merging with the Light soon, going back home, they will no longer be here to teach us and guide us, they are doing the best they can to leave as much conscious knowledge and impact as we can on our young selves without fucking up our species.(If they came down in a fleet of UFO's the world would go into chaos) they must do it secretly and leave clues for the open minded to catch on - It's all precisely planned long ago in history to unfold exactly how it is now. We are SPIRALING into a evolution of self realization. Mckenna mentioned how 4-Phosphorloxy DMT(Mushrooms) is the only 4-Phosphoro indole in the WORLD, it's odd for there to be only one of one in the world, its never been recorded before in history as any other 4-phosphoro indole in existence, if anything was to be alien, it would be Mushrooms and Psychedelics. Through no means of reproduction, our species will eventually become extinct and a new one will take our place, we will evolve until we become Light, until we go back to Day 1, until we become True Consciousness in its Raw form, the cycle will repeat and restart - Eventually we will become our futuristic views of ourselves, and we will infinitely repeat the cycles of existance.
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Omnidimensional Metakinesis!!! Registered: 09/14/15 Posts: 999 Loc: • (omnimetathe Last seen: 4 months, 13 days |
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Quote: It's known that Peganum Harmala is utilized as a sacred entheogenic sacrament in Iran; it's functions include being medicine, an Apotropaic & used for carpet coloring. It is believed that while handling the carpet coloring substance made from Peganum seeds transdermal absorption of the alkaloids occurred which led to psychoactivity in effects, thus leading to the sacred geometric patterns which compose the carpets, as well as the folklore of "flying carpets", also contributed by the experiences facilitated by the Harmala alkaloids, perhaps intentionally sought (one can surmise that the sensation of flight was felt or perhaps Visionary/transdimensional flight took place). Edited by voidjester_entheo (12/06/16 11:38 PM)
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The archetypes are hardwired into our minds. Also, see the post a while back on form constants.
