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Ultimately, I think that the problem of consciousness, of the universe, of existence and reality, is so complex, so mind-boggingly elaborate that any of our petty explanations are bound to fall short. Due to Godel's incompleteness theorem, we cannot possibly know where this system came from and how it truly functions from within the system. "God" or "Aliens" is a cop-out. There is only the unknown. We just don't fucking know, or understand, and aliens is too simplistic and easy to be the real answer.  Metaphysics and other unfalsifiable theories are to me, quite unsatisfactory. There is an artistic world where things are irrational and that is great, but let art be art and let reason be reason, don't try to understand the physical universe in terms of the inner experience. Empirical, shared reality is the only thing we can be certain of. And don't even try to get solipsistic on me, that's the biggest cop out of all.
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Even if someone felt as though they had come to some sort of understanding, I don't believe it is possible to articulate it. Words simply do not have enough meaning to explain the unexplainable.
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: egobrain]
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egobrain said: Even if someone felt as though they had come to some sort of understanding, I don't believe it is possible to articulate it. Words simply do not have enough meaning to explain the unexplainable.
Yeah, a lot of religious/spiritual experiences make sense if you've had them, like I know the burning bush and resurrection because I've experienced them first hand and was like "Aha!" but people get all caught up in the words and the symbols, the finger pointing to the moon, and go astray of the actual experience. That's the difference between "religion" and "spirituality" IMO.
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Bill_Oreilly said: Then why dont i get UFO's everytime?
Why don't you have the same trip every time? Or the same dreams every night? I would say it would be more convincing if your entities were always the same and were more elaborate.
Recurring dreams are pretty common and even then, my butt-alien nightmares are never the same and are very sketchy and dreamlike in their nonsensical, psycho-mimetic nature.
I have had a shit-ton of entity contact on psychedelics and were I an ignorant native in the jungle I'd think they were hekura or deities, sure. They always have a very numinous aura about them and they have a physical, palpable otherness and psychic connection where I feel their thoughts telepathically. I don't generally dose high enough to hear them outright.
I always listen to classical music while tripping with the lights off and while really tripping hard the instruments become the voices of the entities and the entities are the physical embodiment of the sound, it's a form of synesthesia. Psychedelics have a powerful way of making you feel another presence, which is again a naturally evolved cognitive heuristic because we are highly social animals and need to know when an "other" is present.
Take the LSD "psychic" phenomenon, lots of people feel psychically connected to each other during group trips, but if you have a sober sitter who doesn't believe in woo, they won't feel that connection and will tell you you're full of shit and weren't reading their mind, that their experience was totally different, it's a projection of the "other" from your mind and group psychology tends to make people all tripping together more gullible to the power of suggestion. I think that feeling of connection with the other is the first stage of ego loss, where you merge with the universe and realize that the only thing that separates Brahman from Atman is your ego. Only, here, you feel connected to the other because your self has not quite merged with it.
I have high school friends that suffer from schizophrenia. They have entity contact all the time. At a certain point, pareidolia can be so extreme as to not only find faces in nothing, but to put a voice and a sense of otherness on those hallucinations and believe they are actually a truly separate being. I know I won't sway you toward a more reasonable stance, but really, try reading more neuroscience and less mojojojo. It does a body good.

You just werent there therefore you cannot understand. Your entity contact and your friends sounds neat and whatnot but what i met wasn't just another entity...it was the soul .it was god..it was..syntax mind and machine all in one.
Before the spaceship split time and space and crossed dimensions it literally started raining hard out of nowhere. This thing was so "holy" that it entered upon making it rain plus when slowly hovered up to me..it wouldn't let me look at it directly. I could only see 95% of it despite looking right at it. Also after a minute or 2 i outstretched my hand in sttempt to touch it and the exact moment before i could touch it it slowly hovered away. Point being...this thing was far more aware of me. It knew me better than i knew myself
But wait it was just my imagination and it proves nothing and was a useless experience 
I have had other entity experiences which were all nice and dandy but this was "THEE ENTITY" straight up nothing to fuck with. It was "IT"
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
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Eclipse3130 said: Interesting I will keep that in mind.. Yeah you manifested it through subconscious, it actually happened in your reality. I bet if someone was right next to you when it did, they wouldn't be able to see it though. In that sense it's not as real as you thought it was, it's only real as you know real to be: your perspective of reality. In that sense, we are the creators of our own reality, we are a clone or reflection of something the same but not the creator of Reality. A dream of a dream of sorts
I have had many experiences of having shared visuals with other people. Maybe these beings are only able to be experienced in psychedelic states. That seems more plausible to me than many people experiencing the same kinds of beings because of some subconscious yearning we all somehow have.
All reality is based on perception, even sober reality, so that claim is invalid. Everyone has different life experiences, that they then base what the call reality to be off of. I am a firm believer that these states of mind allow us to contact intelligent life forms we would otherwise have no way communicating with.
Thats just my two cent, though, and I am fully aware that I could be totally wrong. But based on my experiences it is true to me, and thats all that really matters.
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23878435 - 11/29/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You just werent there therefore you cannot understand. Your entity contact and your friends sounds neat and whatnot but what i met wasn't just another entity...it was the soul .it was god..it was..syntax mind and machine all in one.
I have seen the face of God, death, become one with the void, felt eternity and the universal oneness and all that shit bro. Take a year or two off psychedelics and look back with perspective, the illusions will wear off. You are stuck very deeply in the ghost cave.
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You just werent there therefore you cannot understand. Your entity contact and your friends sounds neat and whatnot but what i met wasn't just another entity...it was the soul .it was god..it was..syntax mind and machine all in one.
I have seen the face of God, death, become one with the void, felt eternity and the universal oneness and all that shit bro. Take a year or two off psychedelics and look back with perspective, the illusions will wear off. You are stuck very deeply in the ghost cave.


And why not quote my whole reply instead of chopping half of it off just to make your sorry attempt to impress me look even worse?
Step up your game there, champ
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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All reality is based on perception, even sober reality, so that claim is invalid. Everyone has different life experiences, that they then base what the call reality to be off of. I am a firm believer that these states of mind allow us to contact intelligent life forms we would otherwise have no way communicating with.
Our perception of "reality" is incomplete. One thing we know is that our senses play tricks on us all the time. Study the mind, I mean actually study it, with science and not metaphysical word games, and you can see the way in which your mind plays tricks, get a feel for your cognitive biases and then, with low doses of psychedelics you can throw a stone in the water and see the reflections warp and scatter, you can get a feel for what you're seeing in the mirror and get a feel for the imperfect lens through which you're seeing. Go further and the image shatters and is gone, with DMT the outside world is completely cut off and everything is a manifestation of the inner world and inner self. The inner eye is named that for a reason. If you want to believe there are whole worlds inside you, sure, ok, but even then any "aliens" you encounter will not be true aliens because they are not outside your own experience. If you believe the patterns you see when completely whited out you have lost the outside for a funhouse mirror, you have danced with the trickster and been led astray. It's very sad to see people take these drugs and destroy their old delusions only to gain new, completely absurd ones. If anything, you should have learned to doubt your senses by now, and to doubt them most when using these drugs.
If you believe in your self as manifestation of perception and external reality, which you must in order to avoid solipsism, which states that only the inner experience is real, then you must take careful, judicious stock of your perceptions, measure them with other actors from the outside and use empiricism to justify claims of veracity.
Any sensory perception that is not empirically verifiable with other sober people from the outside must be assumed to be internal and of the mythopoeic realm, or magical thinking starts to creep in. To give more weight to the dream state, to altered perceptions that are manifestly internal (just trip sit sober a few times to get a feel for how internal those experiences are) is to lose your touchstone with reality and remain in the dreamworld. If that gets you through your day and makes you happy, have fun with it, but it's mental masturbation and completely ludicrous.
We can agree to disagree but the fact that you believe your claims does not mean they are not unfalsifiable, solipsistic and irrational. 
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Eclipse3130 said: Interesting I will keep that in mind.. Yeah you manifested it through subconscious, it actually happened in your reality. I bet if someone was right next to you when it did, they wouldn't be able to see it though. In that sense it's not as real as you thought it was, it's only real as you know real to be: your perspective of reality. In that sense, we are the creators of our own reality, we are a clone or reflection of something the same but not the creator of Reality. A dream of a dream of sorts
I have had many experiences of having shared visuals with other people. Maybe these beings are only able to be experienced in psychedelic states. That seems more plausible to me than many people experiencing the same kinds of beings because of some subconscious yearning we all somehow have.
All reality is based on perception, even sober reality, so that claim is invalid. Everyone has different life experiences, that they then base what the call reality to be off of. I am a firm believer that these states of mind allow us to contact intelligent life forms we would otherwise have no way communicating with.
That's the reason why you think it's intelligent life forms is because that's what you saw. If you saw oranges, if you saw nothing instead of beings what would you think, you would of never came to this conclusion. That's why your hallucinations are directly a subjective unique experience to the reality that you perceive and chose to believe in, For your mind to first be open, accept and believe in the "higher power" your subconscious had to show you in form of manifestation of beings as a way of "seeing is believing" not everyone has to see to believe. There's many ways to arrive at the higher states of mind, and there's not one right answer what consciousness is. In your reality beings are the source of this higher power and send you the higher information, in someone else's it just pops in their head as thoughts or realizations. Most people are just visually orienated, outwardly searching, others look inward and feel.
A shared experience is a different story and requires all users to be under the influence, sober people don't see what tripping people see.
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23879384 - 11/29/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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We're all here together inhabiting the same consciousness, embodied through manifestation. We are living an illusion of our own projection, everything in existance is created in our minds through consciousness, we would never be able to explore the external "physical" world without first exploring internally. The external world as I know it, is just a projection of the internal world - literally physically manifested collectively. Our minds are vast like the universe, knowing we will never be able to explore it thoroughly as it ever expands and changes infinitely in flux. You cannot make a rocket without first imaging it. Literally everything in existance is a mere projection, there's no such thing as real. We are dreaming.
Consciousness is projecting our existance like virtual reality projects a simulation, we aren't confined to the box of reality, reality is confined to the box of consciousness. Essentially meaning we are reaching a point of understanding where we are replicating existance within a new dimension or new reality(the virtual reality system)or a new self illusion. We are raising our vibration so to speak to be able to inhabit other states of mind or realms of consciousness(dimensions)
If you assume any rate of advancement virtual reality will become indistinguishable from this current reality. And at that point whose to say we won't be living a dream within a dream, at that point, whose to say the cycle won't continue infinitely, what happens if the dreamer doesn't wake up? It would make sense they get lost in their own illusion. Consciousness is demanding to evolve to adapt to these changes, you must first realize you are dreaming in the first place, to gain awareness of self/consciousness or existance won't make sense to you.
What happens if the dreamer realizes they are in a dream? It's the first step to ascending into the next dream. An infinite cycle of existance, and if you never wake up then you'll never know any different.
You can experience consciousness or you can be confined to a human experience(accepting you are not an illusion of the self)and be stuck in the 3rd dimensional plane, you won't evolve
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23881429 - 11/30/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eclipse, I get what you're saying and there is a lot of philosophy that agrees with you, the whole Zen school, and the Taoist underpinnings of much of Eastern philosophy all corroborate what you're saying and you are in good company in believing what you do. You have a sophisticated ken of it and I respect that. I know of Chuang Tzu's butterfly dream, however I cannot get behind it.
Having experienced various states of consciousness, from hypnogagic psychotic states, varying levels of psychedelic gnosis from ego death and merging with a universal consciousness to full dissolution of external reality/consciousness into a blank slate of awareness that is merged with the void (all these things are difficult to describe but I assume you can draw parallels from your own experience) I have come to different conclusions about the separation from the internal and external worlds.
There is a substrate consciousness that we share, that much we can agree. Whether you call this "God," "The Universe," "Brahman," "The Dream," whatever, I think most psychonauts have experienced it. Beyond that, we are an individual looking through a lense and getting light in. We don't know if that lens is truly connected to an outer reality, or simply creating the light in and of itself. That lens is our "human" mind. We can't really prove or disprove either theory, so in the end it is a matter of belief. However, I find solipsism to be a self defeating and useless philosophy that impedes learning about the miraculous wonders outside our own mind, whether you think you're a God creating them or that they come from something outside, you have to admit that "reality" is incredibly fascinating.
From my experiences in warping and manipulating the lens, through my own atypical neurology, I have found it to seem most likely that what we call "conscious" thought and awareness is indeed connected to an external force. The senses may be pitiful reductions of infinite complexity, but it is out there. One of the reasons I distrust dreams and the whole Taoist metaphor of dreaming life is that I have a disrupted dream cycle and don't dream properly. As a child my dreams were more typical and they felt "real," as real as reality, but as my REM sleep deteriorated, they became more fragmentary, psychotic, incomplete and paltry, until they hardly resemble waking life at all and thus are very easy to differentiate from consciousness. My wife has very vivid dreams, the dreams she has are basically just as real as true experiences. I have a handful of dreams that vivid in my life. It is easy to believe dreams and hallucinations when they're well formed and believable, but I have had so many half-assed, malformed ones that they are very easy to dismiss. I also have bi-polar disorder and journal regularly, and through constant monitoring of my own thoughts I have learned pretty well to spot and discard manic, paranoid, and irrational thought patterns.
I have a lot of friends that are neurosurgeons and neuroscientists. They cut up brains, do surgery on people, etc. etc. I myself have studied a lot of anatomy, neuroscience and cognition in order to understand my own strange neuroanatomy and to become a functioning human being. The more I learn about the external, the more science I read and the better my understanding of it, the more I learn about cognitive bias, mental illness etc. the easier it is to dismiss the Buddhist idea of a dewdrop world. It is a leap of faith yes, to accept that you are not the center of the universe and the substrate of everything, but it an important step to take in getting beyond a bunch of hokey bullshit and understanding the nature of what we're experiencing. Without it we'd just be snorting yopo in the jungle instead of walking on the moon and sending robots to Mars.
And Bill, if I excise portions of text it is because we've already discussed something and I'm responding to a particular point and highlighting it, quoting the whole text entirely is annoying and clogs up threads with redundant bullshit. Anybody who wants to know the whole conversation can go back and read the thread in its entirety. Your experiences seem real to you congrats. I know I'm not going to sway you, I'm just stating my opinion and I think you're delusional and should take a break from drugs.
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Take a break from drugs? I have tripped 3 times in the past 2-3 years
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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P.Zappatecorum said: One word: pareidolia
Your brain has the most sophisticated facial recognition software on earth and it is programmed to recognize potential dangers like people, snakes, spiders etc. When on psychedelics, the "noise" level gets turned up on your brain's interpretive software and it starts inventing more and more rather than taking in stimulus, to where the facial recognition programming and other preset, evolved modes of cognition end up going into overdrive. Where does the stuff it invents come from, if not actual outside? Memory, the unconscious and collective unconscious/archetypal images.
Why are aliens an archetypal image? Good fucking question. 
The thing I find more interesting, is why all the fractals and sacred geometry? If you look at the art in Iranian mosques, it looks so much like LSD or DMT visuals that it's kind of mind blowing. Were they on something or just tapping into the same part of the mind? Why are those patterns in our mind and do they have some kind of significance? They certainly elicit a certain feeling of awe and reverence, but why?

You just said everything you see is from memory then you contradicted yourself saying how it's interesting the fractals and geometry you see are sacred. How can it be from memory if you've never seen them before?
Things iv'e seen on psychadelics i've never seen in my entire life and they are not implicit memories because i could have never been in the position to see them.
Now i'm about to contradict myself. What if, just what if the things you're seeing you've actually seen before, but before you were born, or somehow as a fetus.
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23881832 - 11/30/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bill's always been stubborn, the drugs haven't changed him. If anything, he hasn't tripped enough. 1 alien encounter and he's convinced that's real. The more times you go that far, the more you open your mind and eventually anyone can relax their archetypes into different forms and see the connections / underlying theme. I think it's wrong to put any of the forms on a pedestal, because then you sound like an ego maniac trying to impose a personal version of reality. All we can say for sure is that no one knows exactly what's going on because it's way more complicated than our models of reasoning are capable of processing.
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Dmt_psilocybin said: What if, just what if the things you're seeing you've actually seen before, but before you were born, or somehow as a fetus.
Yep, that's another possibility. Like the akashic library - tapping into experience and knowledge that the species or consciousness has acquired, but was previously unknown or inaccessible to you.
I think all humans are connected, if not every living organism. Even though we've split forms and bodies and grown independently like hairs, we may all be connected at the root to one conscious singularity.
DMT may be giving a glimpse of that unity and wholeness - the source of infinitely wild creations.
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23881862 - 11/30/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: We're all here together inhabiting the same consciousness, embodied through manifestation. We are living an illusion of our own projection, everything in existance is created in our minds through consciousness, we would never be able to explore the external "physical" world without first exploring internally.
Ever astral projected or had a REAL obe? Come back and tell me that wasn't real.
You are saying all of this stuff like your 100% positive, you would be the first person to ever figure that out for 100% positive.
Also, i've heard all of this before this isn't even you're personal experience you heard it from some guy with a UK accent.
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Icon]
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Dmt_psilocybin said: What if, just what if the things you're seeing you've actually seen before, but before you were born, or somehow as a fetus.
Yep, that's another possibility. Like the akashic library - tapping into experience and knowledge that the species or consciousness has acquired, but was previously unknown or inaccessible to you.
I think all humans are connected, if not every living organism. Even though we've split forms and bodies and grown independently like hairs, we may all be connected at the root to one conscious singularity.
I am not familiar with the akashic library. I'll have to look into it.
I have also been pondering that second thought. The only thing that contradicts it is everyone experience reality different because of emotions brain chemistry and that kinda stuff.
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Icon]
#23881963 - 11/30/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You just said everything you see is from memory then you contradicted yourself saying how it's interesting the fractals and geometry you see are sacred. How can it be from memory if you've never seen them before?
Things iv'e seen on psychadelics i've never seen in my entire life and they are not implicit memories because i could have never been in the position to see them.
Now i'm about to contradict myself. What if, just what if the things you're seeing you've actually seen before, but before you were born, or somehow as a fetus.
We do have memories from before our life. It's called DNA. The archetypes are hardwired into our minds. Also, see the post a while back on form constants.
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Icon said: Bill's always been stubborn, the drugs haven't changed him. If anything, he hasn't tripped enough. 1 alien encounter and he's convinced that's real. The more times you go that far, the more you open your mind and eventually anyone can relax their archetypes into different forms and see the connections / underlying theme. I think it's wrong to put any of the forms on a pedestal, because then you sound like an ego maniac trying to impose a personal version of reality. All we can say for sure is that no one knows exactly what's going on because it's way more complicated than our models of reasoning are capable of processing.
Agreed. His manic/hyperactive posting style gets under my skin from time to time. We must remain skeptical of everything, though there are certainly some things that require more scrutiny and a greater burden of proof than others.
One thing that I haven't mentioned that leads me to believe in an external reality is dissociative states, where there is no psychedelia or distortion of normal perception/reality, only a delirium in which you are taking in that undistorted, normal perception but the mind doesn't recognize it. Also, black-out states where your conscious mind is gone but you're still functioning, writing, talking, fucking, whatever and other people can tell you what happened, take pictures/videos, or you've posted something online or written it down and yet you have no memory of it, or with your conscious mind you remember the confusion of a dissociative state and what you were seeing and are able to put it all back together and see how whacked out of your skull you were.
Saying the totality is all a matter of a single consciousness doesn't account for those times we're unconscious but still interacting with reality and there is a confused or dimmed awareness of the external, but the ego/consciousness is incapacitated. I had a long period of alcoholism that made me quite familiar with those states.
I think an overuse of tryptamines, trusting in them blindly and putting them forward as the soul arbiters of truth is a common problem in this community. There are other tools, and when used together can give you a more balanced, rounded picture of self, reality and illusion. The late Robert Aitken, a prominent teacher of Zen, warned of the dangers of "pernicious oneness" which is confusing the interconnectedness, the interpenetration and interelations of things with a bland unity. Saying "we're all one," and things like that is reductive. We are all one, and we are all unique and separate, and yet we are not one, and not separate.
Our conscious experience is a reduction, a map of something more complex, and from what we can learn from that map, and external sources it, is apparent that there is both the koinos kosmos, or shared reality, and the idios kosmos, or inner reality. It is helpful to learn to differentiate the two. The psychedelic world, the crystal palace and all its inhabitants, are demonstrably part of the idios kosmos.
Bill, I'm curious, what kind of stuff do you read? Where do you get your ideas?
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You just said everything you see is from memory then you contradicted yourself saying how it's interesting the fractals and geometry you see are sacred. How can it be from memory if you've never seen them before?
Things iv'e seen on psychadelics i've never seen in my entire life and they are not implicit memories because i could have never been in the position to see them.
Now i'm about to contradict myself. What if, just what if the things you're seeing you've actually seen before, but before you were born, or somehow as a fetus.
We do have memories from before our life. It's called DNA. The archetypes are hardwired into our minds. Also, see the post a while back on form constants. No, just no. DNA is genetic memory. So DNA would see these entities? No. You were talking about long term memory. Genetic and Long term memory are completely different things. Have any evidence archetypes are hardwired into our brains? Show me.
Notice how i said what if, and wasn't being definite. I say that because they're can't possibly be evidence for that.
However for what you just said there would be evidence for archetypes being hardwired into our brain, if they really are.
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P.Zappatecorum said: Bill, I'm curious, what kind of stuff do you read? Where do you get your ideas?
He clearly gets his ideas from personal experiences. And ideas from people like Terrence Mckenna (only know that because we had a brief discussion about it.
P.S i only quoted that part of your post because that's the only thing i wanted to respond to, not because i'm trying to quote you out of context.
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P.Zappatecorum said: One thing that I haven't mentioned that leads me to believe in an external reality is dissociative states, where there is no psychedelia or distortion of normal perception/reality, only a delirium in which you are taking in that undistorted, normal perception but the mind doesn't recognize it.
This would describe perfectly one of my first experiences on ketamine. Sat on a sofa, seeing the whole room, seeing/hearing my friends, and yet it was like the part of my brain that recognised or understood anything was shut off completely, everything looked incredibly strange and alien, foreign to me, all pattern recognition shut down (which would seem to be the opposite of classic psychs where it's sent into overdrive) It was quite 'psychedelic' in it's own weird way..
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