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Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US?
    #23874400 - 11/28/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've always found cubensis in cow dung and never in horse dung but there are mushrooms that grow in horse dung that look similar to cubensis but have a white veil instead of purple and the caps are whiter. Any clue what the horse dung shrooms are?


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Bigmarv329]
    #23874410 - 11/28/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I've always found cubensis in cow dung and never in horse dung but there are mushrooms that grow in horse dung that look similar to cubensis but have a white veil instead of purple and the caps are whiter. Any clue what the horse dung shrooms are?




Please post some pictures of them, including good shots of gills and stem.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23875109 - 11/28/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've always found cubensis in horse dung and not cow dung


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23875172 - 11/28/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ive read that some wild cubenis prefer horse dung. But more commonly they like cow dung.

Take pics or write a real good description to ID.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23875176 - 11/28/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I am in the South and we always went to cow pastures and found them, never once found any on horse dung, but then again we never tromped through horse pastures.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Cagney]
    #23875183 - 11/28/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

more likely to find in open horse pastures for sure.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23875305 - 11/28/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've seen Panaeolus grow in horse dung and I think i've heard of Panaeolus cinctulus growing in it.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: gpjforce]
    #23875327 - 11/28/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think it grows directly from dung some much as around the edge of it or when its really well decaying and has basically turned to soil or in dung heap. Not like Panaeolus papilionaceus does.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23875886 - 11/28/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Horse pastures are underrated. And cow pastures seem a bit overrated


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23875904 - 11/28/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I find thousands of panaeolus cinc and cyan as well as beautiful cubes in my horse pasture, however the 5000 acre cow pasture bordering it only ever produces Pans, never once found a cube there but they love the horse pasture.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23876505 - 11/28/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Horse pastures are underrated. And cow pastures seem a bit overrated



Horse pastures aren't under rated, a lot of horse owners ride their horses and spray the field for anti fungals and stuff like that.
Also a lot of horse pastures are dirt, the horses are fed grain and feed and hay.
Therefore it's difficult for mycelium to grow without grass.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23876627 - 11/28/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't have any pics, I run across them every time that I hunt for cubes. Random question, thought someone may know. They are white with purple gills but they don't bruise purple.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23876666 - 11/28/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Hammer92 said:
Horse pastures are underrated. And cow pastures seem a bit overrated



Horse pastures aren't under rated, a lot of horse owners ride their horses and spray the field for anti fungals and stuff like that.
Also a lot of horse pastures are dirt, the horses are fed grain and feed and hay.
Therefore it's difficult for mycelium to grow without grass.





Horse pastures are most certainly underrated... Everybody and their brother knows"magic mushrooms=cow fields. But the horse pasture is underestimated. People spraying antifungals? Lmao. U must not know many horse owners. Most are grain fed???! You don't know horses obviously. The parts of horse pastures that are "dirt" are actually the most prime spot... That "dirt" is composted grass horse manure hay and whatever other supplements like grain sweet feed. And the mycelium loves it.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23876694 - 11/28/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Hammer92 said:
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Dmt_psilocybin said:
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Hammer92 said:
Horse pastures are underrated. And cow pastures seem a bit overrated



Horse pastures aren't under rated, a lot of horse owners ride their horses and spray the field for anti fungals and stuff like that.
Also a lot of horse pastures are dirt, the horses are fed grain and feed and hay.
Therefore it's difficult for mycelium to grow without grass.





Horse pastures are most certainly underrated... Everybody and their brother knows"magic mushrooms=cow fields. But the horse pasture is underestimated. People spraying antifungals? Lmao. U must not know many horse owners. Most are grain fed???! You don't know horses obviously. The parts of horse pastures that are "dirt" are actually the most prime spot... That "dirt" is composted grass horse manure hay and whatever other supplements like grain sweet feed. And the mycelium loves it.



I didn't say most are fed grain i said alot. It has more nutrients than grass and hay. Equestrian centers tend to do that more often.
I've owned horses and been to many horse pastures some even right next to a cow field with pan cyans, pan subbs, and cubensis.
Also every outdoor tek for shrooms requires hay, so...


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23876720 - 11/28/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I guarantee you that a horse dung will not produce p.cubensis


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Bigmarv329]
    #23876794 - 11/28/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I guarantee you that a horse dung will not produce p.cubensis





Haha!!!! Do u wanna see pics of beautiful cubensis in my horse pasture??
The assumptions people make... Smh

I think cubensis prefer horse poo... If you look at indoor grows horse poo is the preferred shit by mycelium, cow poo just doesn't do what horse manure will for cubensis


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23876799 - 11/28/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you could find one in Louisiana is let u kick me in the nuts! I'd have to see it too believe it. Where are u from


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23876801 - 11/28/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)




Lol


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23876809 - 11/28/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm curious where you are from because I've always wondered why they don't grow on hoop here. I've raised horses on nothing but grass next to a field of cows and none on the horses side but cow side flourished. I was just provoking you, I know they grow on hpoo but I've never seen it in the wild


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Bigmarv329]
    #23876815 - 11/28/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Different strokes for ddif folks.. I'm in southeast us too and the actives prefer the horse pop to the cow patties


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23876821 - 11/28/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Hammer92 said:
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Hammer92 said:
Horse pastures are underrated. And cow pastures seem a bit overrated



Horse pastures aren't under rated, a lot of horse owners ride their horses and spray the field for anti fungals and stuff like that.
Also a lot of horse pastures are dirt, the horses are fed grain and feed and hay.
Therefore it's difficult for mycelium to grow without grass.





Horse pastures are most certainly underrated... Everybody and their brother knows"magic mushrooms=cow fields. But the horse pasture is underestimated. People spraying antifungals? Lmao. U must not know many horse owners. Most are grain fed???! You don't know horses obviously. The parts of horse pastures that are "dirt" are actually the most prime spot... That "dirt" is composted grass horse manure hay and whatever other supplements like grain sweet feed. And the mycelium loves it.



I didn't say most are fed grain i said alot. It has more nutrients than grass and hay. Equestrian centers tend to do that more often.
I've owned horses and been to many horse pastures some even right next to a cow field with pan cyans, pan subbs, and cubensis.
Also every outdoor tek for shrooms requires hay, so...



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Dmt_psilocybin said:
Quote:

Hammer92 said:
Quote:

Dmt_psilocybin said:
Quote:

Hammer92 said:
Horse pastures are underrated. And cow pastures seem a bit overrated



Horse pastures aren't under rated, a lot of horse owners ride their horses and spray the field for anti fungals and stuff like that.
Also a lot of horse pastures are dirt, the horses are fed grain and feed and hay.
Therefore it's difficult for mycelium to grow without grass.





Horse pastures are most certainly underrated... Everybody and their brother knows"magic mushrooms=cow fields. But the horse pasture is underestimated. People spraying antifungals? Lmao. U must not know many horse owners. Most are grain fed???! You don't know horses obviously. The parts of horse pastures that are "dirt" are actually the most prime spot... That "dirt" is composted grass horse manure hay and whatever other supplements like grain sweet feed. And the mycelium loves it.



I didn't say most are fed grain i said alot. It has more nutrients than grass and hay. Equestrian centers tend to do that more often.
I've owned horses and been to many horse pastures some even right next to a cow field with pan cyans, pan subbs, and cubensis.
Also every outdoor tek for shrooms requires hay, so...



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Dmt_psilocybin said:
Quote:

Hammer92 said:
Quote:

Dmt_psilocybin said:
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Hammer92 said:
Horse pastures are underrated. And cow pastures seem a bit overrated



Horse pastures aren't under rated, a lot of horse owners ride their horses and spray the field for anti fungals and stuff like that.
Also a lot of horse pastures are dirt, the horses are fed grain and feed and hay.
Therefore it's difficult for mycelium to grow without grass.





Horse pastures are most certainly underrated... Everybody and their brother knows"magic mushrooms=cow fields. But the horse pasture is underestimated. People spraying antifungals? Lmao. U must not know many horse owners. Most are grain fed???! You don't know horses obviously. The parts of horse pastures that are "dirt" are actually the most prime spot... That "dirt" is composted grass horse manure hay and whatever other supplements like grain sweet feed. And the mycelium loves it.



I didn't say most are fed grain i said alot. It has more nutrients than grass and hay. Equestrian centers tend to do that more often.
I've owned horses and been to many horse pastures some even right next to a cow field with pan cyans, pan subbs, and cubensis.
Also every outdoor tek for shrooms requires hay, so...




This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen someone write on shroomery. Your making no points it's just a bunch of BS about how you think everybody treats horses. We're talking about shrooms here, and they love horse poo


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23876825 - 11/28/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Every outdoor tek requires hay!?  Why have I grown outdoors without hay?
Maybe you don't know what your saying


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92] * 1
    #23876999 - 11/29/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have solved the riddle.  Check out this tutorial I have prepared on looking up info on cubes and horse manure.

Does Psilocybe cubensis grow on horse manure?


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23877231 - 11/29/16 04:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Of P. cubensis, Guzman says: "Gregarious, rarely solitary or scattered, on cow (rarely on horse) dung, sometimes on rich pasture soils"

Stamets says: "Scattered to gregarious on dung of bovines (cattle, oxen, yaks, buffalo), horse, or elephant dung, and on well-manured grounds"

Shroomery (Joust) says: "Solitary or in groups on dung and manure, especially in cattle pastures; widely distributed in the tropics.
Psilocybe cubensis are coprophilic, and colonize the dung of large herbivores, most notably cows and other grazing mammals."

Three rather credible sources, I'd say.

Also, looking at the various types of cultivation substrates this species can grow on, I assume it isn't that picky.

Apart from that, OP still has to post some pictures...


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23877303 - 11/29/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Stamets doesn't know what the hell he is talking about! Lol


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Bigmarv329]
    #23877352 - 11/29/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Stamets doesn't know what the hell he is talking about! Lol




Possibly. Still Guzman doesn't exclude horse dung from the "menu". I really don't see
why P. cubensis shouldn't grow from it.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23877495 - 11/29/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm just playing hes the man


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23877576 - 11/29/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Every outdoor tek requires hay!?  Why have I grown outdoors without hay?
Maybe you don't know what your saying



I have too in fact i am right now.
Every written tek i've seen says it requires.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23877586 - 11/29/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Horse pastures are most certainly underrated... Everybody and their brother knows"magic mushrooms=cow fields. But the horse pasture is underestimated. People spraying antifungals? Lmao. U must not know many horse owners. Most are grain fed???! You don't know horses obviously. The parts of horse pastures that are "dirt" are actually the most prime spot... That "dirt" is composted grass horse manure hay and whatever other supplements like grain sweet feed. And the mycelium loves it.



I didn't say most are fed grain i said alot. It has more nutrients than grass and hay. Equestrian centers tend to do that more often.
I've owned horses and been to many horse pastures some even right next to a cow field with pan cyans, pan subbs, and cubensis.
Also every outdoor tek for shrooms requires hay, so...



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Hammer92 said:
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Dmt_psilocybin said:
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Hammer92 said:
Horse pastures are underrated. And cow pastures seem a bit overrated



Horse pastures aren't under rated, a lot of horse owners ride their horses and spray the field for anti fungals and stuff like that.
Also a lot of horse pastures are dirt, the horses are fed grain and feed and hay.
Therefore it's difficult for mycelium to grow without grass.





Horse pastures are most certainly underrated... Everybody and their brother knows"magic mushrooms=cow fields. But the horse pasture is underestimated. People spraying antifungals? Lmao. U must not know many horse owners. Most are grain fed???! You don't know horses obviously. The parts of horse pastures that are "dirt" are actually the most prime spot... That "dirt" is composted grass horse manure hay and whatever other supplements like grain sweet feed. And the mycelium loves it.



I didn't say most are fed grain i said alot. It has more nutrients than grass and hay. Equestrian centers tend to do that more often.
I've owned horses and been to many horse pastures some even right next to a cow field with pan cyans, pan subbs, and cubensis.
Also every outdoor tek for shrooms requires hay, so...




This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen someone write on shroomery. Your making no points it's just a bunch of BS about how you think everybody treats horses. We're talking about shrooms here, and they love horse poo



*sigh* i said a lot and that's why in a lot of horse pastures shrooms don't grow.
I understand shrooms love horse poo.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23877621 - 11/29/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Stamets doesn't know what the hell he is talking about! Lol




Possibly. Still Guzman doesn't exclude horse dung from the "menu". I really don't see
why P. cubensis shouldn't grow from it.




It definitely prefers cattle dung, but I see it quite often on horse dung and have posted plenty of photos. I find P. cubensis in the stall where the arabian quarter horse I use for work is kept almost every month of the year.

In response to posts mentioned in this thread, fungicides applied in agricultural settings do not hamper mushroom growth whatsoever.  The ranch and groves I work on all use it and during the citrus season we will feed cows grapefruit and oranges. My largest hauls have been on fields that I personally fed cattle oranges and applied anti-fungal treatments to the livestock.

Saying that citrus and anti-fungal treatments hamper or in anyway inhibit mushroom growth is blatant misinformation.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: MidnightCity]
    #23877810 - 11/29/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Grain fed cattle won't produce mushrooms. It's the chemical composition of the feed. It disorientes the natural order of organic food. I've seen cubes growing in a field with both cows and horses but never horses alone. I've never seen anyone let their horses grade strictly on grass as well.


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    #23877822 - 11/29/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23878037 - 11/29/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Grain fed cattle won't produce mushrooms. It's the chemical composition of the feed. It disorientes the natural order of organic food. I've seen cubes growing in a field with both cows and horses but never horses alone. I've never seen anyone let their horses grade strictly on grass as well.




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I really hope you're trolling, otherwise I don't even know where to begin with how nonsensical and silly these statements are.


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    #23878183 - 11/29/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't most people cultivate cubensis on grain?


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    #23878203 - 11/29/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't most people cultivate cubensis on grain?




like hotcakes.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23878209 - 11/29/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Too much trolling going on.
Cubes don't need cattle, they do fine in good ole horse pastures. In y experience horse pastures are better. May not be the case for everyone, but I don't care lol. I know what I've seen and horse pastures are generally better locations for finding cubensis.
The OP asked if "horse dung grows mushrooms in the southeast". Well, while dung lacks the intellect and opposable thumbs to cultivate anything, mushrooms do love to grow in it, around it, ect.


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    #23878220 - 11/29/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't most people cultivate cubensis on grain?




Exactly, that's the first tip off he has no clue what he's talking about. Any  type of grass seed is grain. Just like wheat, rice, barley etc.

The rest of what he said makes even less sense. I thought he was kidding at first but after a second look I do believe he is actually that ignorant and uninformed. Which is fine for him but this isn't the place to spread misinformation.


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    #23878230 - 11/29/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly why I said horse pastures are underrated... Look at how much misinformation and ignorance surrounds people's view of horse pastures, it's unbelievable.
They are underrated and just down right lied about.


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    #23878249 - 11/29/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So in the right climate active Psilocybes and Panaeolus grow from the dung of hoofed grazers. I've heard of cubensis growing for Water buffalo dung in Africa, maybe even elephant. Y'all got sheep in the south?


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    #23878277 - 11/29/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So in the right climate active Psilocybes and Panaeolus grow from the dung of hoofed grazers. I've heard of cubensis growing for Water buffalo dung in Africa, maybe even elephant. Y'all got sheep in the south?




Sure do. Pretty sure they have been around long enough to be considered "native" to Florida.


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    #23878613 - 11/29/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Y'all don't have to assholes. I'm just trying to learn. I've just never seen them grow in hpoo for myself. I wasn't trying to spread falsehoods. I was being more inquisitive then anything.


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    #23878894 - 11/29/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I guarantee you that a horse dung will not produce p.cubensis



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I'm curious where you are from because I've always wondered why they don't grow on hoop here. I've raised horses on nothing but grass next to a field of cows and none on the horses side but cow side flourished. I was just provoking you, I know they grow on hpoo but I've never seen it in the wild



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Grain fed cattle won't produce mushrooms. It's the chemical composition of the feed. It disorientes the natural order of organic food. I've seen cubes growing in a field with both cows and horses but never horses alone. I've never seen anyone let their horses grade strictly on grass as well.



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Y'all don't have to assholes. I'm just trying to learn. I've just never seen them grow in hpoo for myself. I wasn't trying to spread falsehoods. I was being more inquisitive then anything.




You're purposefully trolling on another users thread. That's really rude. We will go out of our way to help others learn, but that's obviously not what you're trying to do here.


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Re: Does horse dung grow active mushrooms in the south US? [Re: MidnightCity]
    #23936419 - 12/17/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well I'm sorry buddy I was just trying to figure out something that peaked my curiosity. I know there is no definitive aver because of the different circumstances and environments.  All that I wanted to know is if they actually do grow in hpoo. I've never experienced it outdoors but to what I understand it makes a better substrate than cpoo. Those stupid questions shed light on lots of things.


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    #23936524 - 12/17/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Your question has been answered. They grow in fields fertilized my both cow and horses as well as other large herbivores.


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