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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: ruaware]
#23874583 - 11/28/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you ever heard of the concept of the multiverse? It stipulates that there are roughly 10^(10^(10^7)) universes in the multiverse, each with different physical constants and different chemistry. Potentially, conditions and physical attributes could be so different in certain other universes that we cannot even imagine what things would be like there. The possibilities are endless. Anything you could possibly imagine might exist in such a huge set of parallel universes. There could be universes that have essentially nothing to do with physics or chemistry as we know them.
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: ruaware]
#23875380 - 11/28/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Physics on other plants are different to those on Earth in the sense of how powerful they are, e.g. less/more gravity, different atmosphere, temperature etc.
Some planets rain molted iron and some have a core of diamond, heck it's even theorised some white dwarf stars have a core of pure quarks.
If you changed the fundamental laws of physics and chemistry the Universe itself would be entirely re-organised. Maybe the Universe we live in only exists because of the specific natural laws that exist.
You don't have to have a whole new set of natural laws to have physical phenomenon that would surprise even Einstein.
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: sudly]
#23875400 - 11/28/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right, and in parallel universes, with different basic physical constants, things could be really weird compared to our neck of the woods. With such a truly astronomical number of different individual universes in the inflaton, literally anything is possible.
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23875460 - 11/28/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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But those worlds would STILL have rules and laws; i.e. physics.
At this moment in another universe, I am wealthy, young and partying with twins!
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23875801 - 11/28/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: But those worlds would STILL have rules and laws; i.e. physics.
At this moment in another universe, I am wealthy, young and partying with twins! 
Yeah, and later on you got sucked into a black hole.
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: LunarEclipse]
#23875983 - 11/28/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: But those worlds would STILL have rules and laws; i.e. physics.
At this moment in another universe, I am wealthy, young and partying with twins! 
Yeah, and later on you got sucked into a black hole.
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: Khancious]
#23876047 - 11/28/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: But those worlds would STILL have rules and laws; i.e. physics.
At this moment in another universe, I am wealthy, young and partying with twins! 
Yeah, and later on you got sucked into a black hole.
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Death? That's your problem.
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: LunarEclipse] 1
#23876083 - 11/28/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Death, that's my problem ever since my first breath toss me in a forest and I'll blossom product of a florist by autumn
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: Khancious]
#23876103 - 11/28/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Death, that's my problem ever since my first breath toss me in a forest and I'll blossom product of a florist by autumn
Assume the lotus position Hold it Now fart
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: LunarEclipse]
#23876119 - 11/28/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Death, that's my problem ever since my first breath toss me in a forest and I'll blossom product of a florist by autumn
Assume the lotus position Hold it Now fart
Houston, we have lift off
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: ruaware] 1
#23876524 - 11/28/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ruaware said: ...Every time i try to think of this, i stop because i can't comprehend anything else. ...
its a matter of imagination folks who are into for example: pure mathematics science fiction and astral travel
temporarily experience worlds free of these parameters
some time when you aren't trying, you may find your imagination doing the same sort of thing could be reading a story to kids or painting or who knows what?
besides we don't really fully comprehend any advanced physics anyway even the physicist are mystified by dark matter, and dark energy etc. imo we aren't as rational as we think we are
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: ruaware]
#23876538 - 11/28/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ruaware said: So what i mean by this is, we have physics, stuff like electricity, gravity, light, particles, and energy and what not. And we have chemistry, matter, elements, and other stuff...
What i'm trying to suggest is, what if the world existed without these things, and with completely different things.
Every time i try to think of this, i stop because i can't comprehend anything else. What if there was a world where there was no physics, no chemistry, and it was something completely different.
And i don't mean if physics and chemistry were different, that's easily imaginable. I mean something completely different. So nothing at all from our world.
The reason i think this is because, i consider why the world ended up the way it did. It could have been anything. It's definitely possible to think of some cool things and using some of the properties of physics and chemistry that we know, but i can't think of anything at all that has nothing to do with anything we know about physics or chemistry.
Can you guys think of anything?
Do you think it would even be possible to have different things and maybe we just can't imagine it? I mean, why couldn't it right? The world could have been ANYTHING.
Yeah, physics might change in the sense that matter would be made of different stuff etc. But would logic be different? In another universe would 1+1=3? That would be really trippy
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: OrgoneConclusion] 1
#23880111 - 11/29/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: But those worlds would STILL have rules and laws; i.e. physics.
At this moment in another universe, I am wealthy, young and partying with twins! 
These guys? 
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: MushroomTrip]
#23880271 - 11/29/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Um... no!
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23880328 - 11/29/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Op: I've got a few, I think. Love, greed, and conciousness? You\we are the only limitation to what is possible and you eluded to your awareness of this. A little of topic.....but I was just having a discussion about chickens and what they thought of our intelligence. We came to the conclusion that they could not comprehend any intelligence higher then their own and would thusly judge us the same, or less ,and the same is true if the roles are reversed.... The wonder and interest for me isn't in the seemingly intrinsic, it's in our ability to be aware of them.
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: pineninja]
#23880343 - 11/29/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Consciousness is being aware of something external to yourself and by the dictionary definition a chicken experiences consciousness because it is aware when you are near it.
I do agree that a chicken could not comprehend an intelligence higher than its own because its brain makeup does not have a large enough neocortex to process and maintain a sense of morality through perception and conceptualisation which is necessary for the development of a conscience, sentience and higher intelligence.
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: sudly]
#23880350 - 11/29/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Be careful, by both our calculations that's also what the chicken would say.
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23881072 - 11/30/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Um... no! 
My crystal globe tells me so!
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: ruaware] 1
#23886811 - 12/02/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ruaware said: So what i mean by this is, we have physics, stuff like electricity, gravity, light, particles, and energy and what not. And we have chemistry, matter, elements, and other stuff...
What i'm trying to suggest is, what if the world existed without these things, and with completely different things.
Every time i try to think of this, i stop because i can't comprehend anything else. What if there was a world where there was no physics, no chemistry, and it was something completely different.
And i don't mean if physics and chemistry were different, that's easily imaginable. I mean something completely different. So nothing at all from our world.
The reason i think this is because, i consider why the world ended up the way it did. It could have been anything. It's definitely possible to think of some cool things and using some of the properties of physics and chemistry that we know, but i can't think of anything at all that has nothing to do with anything we know about physics or chemistry.
Can you guys think of anything?
Do you think it would even be possible to have different things and maybe we just can't imagine it? I mean, why couldn't it right? The world could have been ANYTHING.
the world you are speaking of was the world of 95% of all people in the middle ages, everything was a mystery, superstition and magic.
now it is about 47% except when you account for the electoral college where it is 53%
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: redgreenvines]
#23889026 - 12/02/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I what think OP is referring to is not 'different' types of physics, chemistry etc. but something entirely different. In terms of comprehension, its like trying to imagine a new color that doesn't exist, not a shade or a mix of different colors but an entirely new one. Without seeing and experiencing it for yourself, its just not possible.
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23890052 - 12/03/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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'zackly my point!
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Re: Comprehending a world without physics and chemistry [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23901520 - 12/06/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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wolfiewolfie said: I what think OP is referring to is not 'different' types of physics, chemistry etc. but something entirely different. In terms of comprehension, its like trying to imagine a new color that doesn't exist, not a shade or a mix of different colors but an entirely new one. Without seeing and experiencing it for yourself, its just not possible.
.... "chemistry etc. but something entirely"...
exactly the problem boils down to trying to imagine a thing that isn't a thing. it's a linguistic contradiction that's all.
See it's like this: there are things that aren't things, they're called abstractions, but see how I just felt forced to use the word 'things' at the beginning of the sentence above? That's the problem. Is there a satisfactory word that includes both abstractions and things or objects? I think not.
Abstractions are already free of the characteristics of things, which this question 'wants' to know how to escape. And awareness is an abstraction, but many choke on this point. But it has no color, weight, size, etc etc... Did you catch that language forced me to use the word 'it' and "it's " not an 'it'. It can't be said if it's verb or noun as "it's" context not content. Space is like wise tricky. Funnily it has no size; like wise time has no duration. The world is already very strange even without multiverses, etc. And language is so tricky this may make more sense after rereading.
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