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Why so racist?
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Maybe the only reason there are racists is because some populations disagree with the instrumental choices of the others, e.g. The white christian man and his rock/metal, the coloured man and his rap/hiphop.
Now personally I reckon there are some good and bad songs in all genres but it also seems likely some people in this American uprising are just in it for the music.

What do you think causes racism?
I think it's also influenced by the impoverishing effects of the open Oligarchy America finds itself in.
And don't forget that nowadays Alt-Right really means Republican Neo-Nazis.
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: sudly]
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I think mostly its people buying into the m medias lies that generates the hate.. The races are certainly different though and I think accepting that would be a step in the right direction. We have entirely different natural comfort zones and things that we need to be happy... The suggestion race is only skin deep is an incredibly damaging lie for all people.. People in homogenous society's have deeper connections and can understand each other in ways beyond the words. The destruction of tribal society's and forced integration is a divide and conquer strategy that goes back to at least the roman empire. There are hundreds of species of foxes. Yet they classify us all as one species it couldn't be more obvious its for political reasons and not biology. Foxes, coyotes, wolves and dingos can all interbreed. They all are "dogs" but have different personal and social needs... I'm sure you can imagine how stressful it would be for a fox to live in a pack of coyotes, or a wolf to live as a fox. The media is intentionally pushing a race war on the masses right now to avoid the class war.
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As a former racist thinker in the past Iv'e discovered my own truth along the journey and that is that there are far more similarities between all people of all cultures than there are differences. All the things I used as an excuse to divide myself from other races or cultures now seem extremely shallow and I think came only from a fear based mindset. It wasn't the government, media or friends or family that changed my mind but spending time with other cultures and seeing past those weak barriers I had put up in my mind.
At the most basic level we are all sentient consciousness experiencing the world. I could be white, black, brown, yellow, olive or any colour of skin and I would still be the same thing - sentient consciousness experiencing a reality. I find most people just want to live in peace and try to be happy.
I think the recent rise in racist thinking has come mainly from the media and government controlled groups stirring things up. Maybe it makes people feel like they have to choose a side, but the only sides are the people vs the governments (and those controlling the governments). It's the usual divide and conquer that has been used to weaken the populations for time immemorial, and so many still get sucked into this manipulation. The media and government will tell us 'don't be racist' while pouring tons of propaganda onto us that is designed to give us racist thoughts and opinions. Maybe people think they are rebelling against the governments 'don't be racist' line and are doing the opposite of what those governments want, when actually racist divide is exactly what they want.
They do not want the masses of all cultures and races to be united and able to join together and say 'we're not having any more of your bullshit'. They want us all fragmented so that the people don't have the power of numbers to say 'enough'.
Each individual can do what they want, but we each have a choice of what the future will be. It's as is said in the Pink Floyd song 'Hey you' (together we stand, divided we fall).
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People think they can eliminate what they do not identify with. I dislike many things about lot's of people. Yet I know I cannot eliminate their culture or identity. So ignorance in believing your identity is somehow supreme causes a practice of hate.
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Most hatred of other cultures is that, hatred of their culture, not the actual color of their skin, maybe that's just over blown stereotyping,
Cultural rot is real and there are cultures that are toxic to other cultures, there are other cultures that simply cannot exist with other cultures, to deny that is ignorant
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Cultural is not real?
How so,mister?
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There is a lack of racism today given it does still exist though not nearly as prevalent as libs like to cry. For all the cries of sexism or misogyny, there is as every bit more misandry. The narrative pedals victim to anybody that will listen. At one point crying racist was enough to shut the argument down in cowardice without the use of reason, logic, intelligence, and evidence.
With Trump and making America great again, cowardice leftist lib jargon no longer matters. All that pc jazz, participation ribbons, and low testosterone is a sad joke at this point. Being adverse to the free market and expecting government handouts just cause you cry racist is a thing of the past.
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It's a whole new generation of racists. In every race, creed and religion.
When I was in catholic school a new kid showed up. He was black and there never was a black kid or teacher in the school. He didn't stay very long as he was treated very badly. He had an out belly button and was not a white kid. That's all that took for the only kid who's mom was a teacher, to treat the new kid with hate.
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Morel Guy said: It's a whole new generation of racists. In every race, creed and religion.
When I was in catholic school a new kid showed up. He was black and there never was a black kid or teacher in the school. He didn't stay very long as he was treated very badly. He had an out belly button and was not a white kid. That's all that took for the only kid who's mom was a teacher, to treat the new kid with hate.
Isolated incident. You hear that piece of shit CNN panel guy go on a tangent about White Lash? How about the city of baltmore? Black cops kill a black criminal and the city goes full retard. Another black cop kills a black criminal for pulling a gun, another riot ensues.
There is so much push for white guilt but lets look at the Japanese. A country that had two atom fucking bombs dropped on them. They have the fastest fucking train on the planet. In America, our buses don't line up. The Japanese are not flipping cars and burning down their cities. Too busy innovating and advancing technology.
I have watched objectively the use of shaming language and means of manipulation to extract resource (ie welfare state). Anybody that isn't easily manipulated can see the race baiting and cultural Marxist rubbish for what it is. It is so off putting hearing the race baiting, or my personal favorite, American white women going on about the patriarchy and white privilege. Its about as absurd as Dave Chappell's KKK skit screaming white power lol
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Morel Guy said: Cultural is not real?
How so,mister?
Never said that. Learn to read
I said "cultural rot is real"
Cultures change, sometimes for the better, sometimes they rot 
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Morel Guy said: It's a whole new generation of racists. In every race, creed and religion.
When I was in catholic school a new kid showed up. He was black and there never was a black kid or teacher in the school. He didn't stay very long as he was treated very badly. He had an out belly button and was not a white kid. That's all that took for the only kid who's mom was a teacher, to treat the new kid with hate.
Sounds like you went to a real shitty school
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Not really a shitty school. The academics were excellent. It's just how white people are. Italians, Irish, those sort of Catholics can be very racist.
It's just North of what the southerns do and not as extreme.
Explains nothing either. Because you don't ask questions.
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Seemed like a typo.
Culture rot? You mean like all the inbreeding and shitty drugs in confederate country?
Everyone I knew from down south was as uneducated white trash as they get. They thought joining the military would give the power they seek. It didn't. It broke them like the cowards they are.
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Morel Guy said: Not really a shitty school. The academics were excellent. It's just how white people are. Italians, Irish, those sort of Catholics can be very racist.
It's just North of what the southerns do and not as extreme.
Explains nothing either. Because you don't ask questions.
No i think it's just a shitty school,
I went to an all white school up until ninth grade, when our little town had the first black person move in, he was treated no different and we all happily accepted him. I'm sure he felt out of place as he was the only one, but there was no bullying and harassment of him over his race. Kids are taught racism by their liberal parents, if the parent don't condone it, it won't manifest
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Butthurt much?
It's the best school in the City. It's private and every kid that went there went on to do very well in life.
Don't ask me why Italians don't like black people.
There also were not any black kids at Culver either. Also one of the top schools in the world. Lot's of Colombians and some Muslims, but no black people. Culver is also an extremely conservative school.
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It's the best school in the City. It's private and every kid that went there went on to do very well in life.
Don't ask me why Italians don't like black people.
There also were not any black kids at Culver either. Also one of the top schools in the world. Lot's of Colombians and some Muslims, but no black people. Culver is also an extremely conservative school.
You went to an elite school then? Best in the city?
Cities are run by liberals, just ask any liberal
When I called your school Shitty, I wasn't referring to it academically, I was referring to the shitty attitudes of the staff and students towards blacks.
I see now you are defending a racist school, da fuq?
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Lol, I'm not defending the actions of one person as the action of an entire history of a school. Only a nitwit would assume such a thing. Nitwit?
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You know this how?
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There was one black guy in my High School, he was treated great and did outstanding in academics, athletics and socially.
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You know this how? 
Because I went to school with him and lived in that town...
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: qman]
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So you hung out with him 24-7 to know this was the case? I'd like to hear his perspective.
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Ya that's just one black guy. If it was a group of black guys would have th community been so open arms?
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qman said: There was one black guy in my High School, he was treated great and did outstanding in academics, athletics and socially.
So you hung out with him 24-7 to know this was the case? I'd like to hear his perspective. 
It's funny because of buddy of mine bumped into his sister who also attended the HS at a bar last year.
My buddy asked her how was it to be the only black person in an all white high school. She was kind of surprised by the question and said she never even thought of it in that manner, but her answer was the experience was just fine and race never played any sort of role.
Also remember this was over 25 years ago, people didn't really get into this racist nonsense like we do today. He and his sister were more "popular" than I was, he did very well in the environment because it was a good high school.
BTW, their mother was white and the father was black.
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Ignorance and fear stifle empathy result racism.
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qman said: There was one black guy in my High School, he was treated great and did outstanding in academics, athletics and socially.
So you hung out with him 24-7 to know this was the case? I'd like to hear his perspective. 
It's funny because of buddy of mine bumped into his sister who also attended the HS at a bar last year.
My buddy asked her how was it to be the only black person in an all white high school. She was kind of surprised by the question and said she never even thought of it in that manner, but her answer was the experience was just fine and race never played any sort of role.
Also remember this was over 25 years ago, people didn't really get into this racist nonsense like we do today. He and his sister were more "popular" than I was, he did very well in the environment because it was a good high school.
BTW, their mother was white and the father was black.
Are you in Iowa or the Dakotas?
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You all need to spread the love, progressives are progressive.
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hostileuniverse said: Kids are taught racism by their liberal parents
so that's why liberals dominate the KKK & white nationalist groups. i always wondered about that.
(holy shit, dude)
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: relic]
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so that's why liberals dominate the KKK & white nationalist groups. i always wondered about that.
(holy shit, dude)
Yeah, because only white people can be racist? Shall we examine "reverse racism"?
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: qman]
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qman said: There was one black guy in my High School, he was treated great and did outstanding in academics, athletics and socially.
So you hung out with him 24-7 to know this was the case? I'd like to hear his perspective. 
It's funny because of buddy of mine bumped into his sister who also attended the HS at a bar last year.
My buddy asked her how was it to be the only black person in an all white high school. She was kind of surprised by the question and said she never even thought of it in that manner, but her answer was the experience was just fine and race never played any sort of role.
Also remember this was over 25 years ago, people didn't really get into this racist nonsense like we do today. He and his sister were more "popular" than I was, he did very well in the environment because it was a good high school.
BTW, their mother was white and the father was black.
this makes perfect sense to me, the race issue is actually, predominantly a class issue imo, with the misfortune blacks have of being almost equivalent to a visible underclass stereo-typically
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so that's why liberals dominate the KKK & white nationalist groups. i always wondered about that.
(holy shit, dude)
Yeah, because only white people can be racist? Shall we examine "reverse racism"? 
sure, we can "examine" reverse racism. but you'll have to go slow with me as i've never seen it, never experienced it, never known anyone to experience it, and never discussed it with anyone credible.
frankly, reverse racism sounds like some fantasy, pussy beta junk that some whiny conservative made up. don't you hate that? conservatives whine so much online. anyway, back on topic. are you sure people who subscribe to this made up thing called reverse racism don't just need to buck up and break their cycle of perpetual victimhood?
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so that's why liberals dominate the KKK & white nationalist groups. i always wondered about that.
(holy shit, dude)
Yeah, because only white people can be racist? Shall we examine "reverse racism"? 
sure, we can "examine" reverse racism. but you'll have to go slow with me as i've never seen it, never experienced it, never known anyone to experience it, and never discussed it with anyone credible.
frankly, reverse racism sounds like some fantasy, pussy beta junk that some whiny conservative made up. don't you hate that? conservatives whine so much online. anyway, back on topic. are you sure people who subscribe to this made up thing called reverse racism don't just need to buck up and break their cycle of perpetual victimhood?
"i've never seen it"
Are you joking? 
Shall we discuss Affirmative Action and quotas in the academic and employment world?
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Laws here are individualized and specifically targeted at raising the living standards of the aboriginal people "reverse racism". Whether you agree or not with it is a reality here. I'm not a conservative and I do agree with it as a positive step in trying to fix the gaps in eqaulity.
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So you hung out with him 24-7 to know this was the case? I'd like to hear his perspective. 
It's funny because of buddy of mine bumped into his sister who also attended the HS at a bar last year.
My buddy asked her how was it to be the only black person in an all white high school. She was kind of surprised by the question and said she never even thought of it in that manner, but her answer was the experience was just fine and race never played any sort of role.
Also remember this was over 25 years ago, people didn't really get into this racist nonsense like we do today. He and his sister were more "popular" than I was, he did very well in the environment because it was a good high school.
BTW, their mother was white and the father was black.
this makes perfect sense to me, the race issue is actually, predominantly a class issue imo, with the misfortune blacks have of being almost equivalent to a visible underclass stereo-typically
Lets not forget, they were outnumbered 500 to 2 in the school, the outcome might be totally different if there were many more blacks at the school, they tend to sabotage each others futures.
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Shouldn't the goal be equal opportunities instead of equal outcomes? You do realize the people on the receiving end know the difference and adjust their behavior accordingly?
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I agree. Eqaulity should pertain to opportunity, I never said otherwise though. Here the employment and educational opportunities are unequal.
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Lets not forget, they were outnumbered 500 to 2 in the school, the outcome might be totally different if there were many more blacks at the school, they tend to sabotage each others futures.
 lol, I think the correlation there isn't that blacks put together can't acheive, I think it's more that predominantly black communities are overwhelmingly lower-class, and lower classes tend to underacheive generally (
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Lets not forget, they were outnumbered 500 to 2 in the school, the outcome might be totally different if there were many more blacks at the school, they tend to sabotage each others futures.
 lol, I think the correlation there isn't that blacks put together can't acheive, I think it's more that predominantly black communities are overwhelmingly lower-class, and lower classes tend to underacheive generally (
Unfortunately you're wrong, I have spoken to lots of educators and the general consensus is the minorities (black and Hispanics) tend to ridicule other minorities that are "acting white" (taking school seriously and speaking in proper English) in the academic environment.
In fact, many minorities in middle class environments still suffer from underachievement in school, you're trying to find a direct correlation when there isn't one, there are many variables at work.
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leveling a playing field that has for so long been purposefully tipped in the other direction is not reverse racism; it's removing built-in barriers in order to allow everyone equal opportunity to succeed. allowing equal opportunity is not the same thing as trying to guaranty equal results.
when a group has been discriminated against for a couple hundred years in academia for instance, it's right to open opportunities for them to succeed (or fail as it may be).
if that's the sort of thing you're calling reverse racism then you've never really experienced first hand racism...or you're just getting into a semantics game. either option is just intellectual dishonesty when boiled down.
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Lets not forget, they were outnumbered 500 to 2 in the school, the outcome might be totally different if there were many more blacks at the school, they tend to sabotage each others futures.
 lol, I think the correlation there isn't that blacks put together can't acheive, I think it's more that predominantly black communities are overwhelmingly lower-class, and lower classes tend to underacheive generally (
Unfortunately you're wrong, I have spoken to lots of educators and the general consensus is the minorities (black and Hispanics) tend to ridicule other minorities that are "acting white" (taking school seriously and speaking in proper English) in the academic environment.
In fact, many minorities in middle class environments still suffer from underachievement in school, you're trying to find a direct correlation when there isn't one, there are many variables at work.
i have spoken to lots of educators and the general consensus is the whites (rednecks) tend to ridicule other whites that are "acting like know-it-alls" (taking school seriously and speaking in proper English) in the academic environment.
in fact, many rednecks in rural environments still suffer from underachievement in school, you're trying to find a direct correlation when there isn't one, there are many variables at work.
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: relic]
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relic said: leveling a playing field that has for so long been purposefully tipped in the other direction is not reverse racism; it's removing built-in barriers in order to allow everyone equal opportunity to succeed. allowing equal opportunity is not the same thing as trying to guaranty equal results.
when a group has been discriminated against for a couple hundred years in academia for instance, it's right to open opportunities for them to succeed (or fail as it may be).
if that's the sort of thing you're calling reverse racism then you've never really experienced first hand racism...or you're just getting into a semantics game. either option is just intellectual dishonesty when boiled down.
"allowing equal opportunity is not the same thing as trying to guaranty equal results"
Actually, when it comes to getting preferential treatment based on race, which both AA and quotas do, it's seeking equal RESULTS. Guess what happens when the quotas aren't met? The iron hand of the government comes in and makes SURE there's equal RESULTS.
"it's right to open opportunities for them to succeed"
I agree, but that's NOT what AA and quotas do. It's mandates equal results regardless of education, experience and talent. That's called racism.
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assuring that an equal number or percentage of different races gets opportunity for higher learning, for instance, doesn't guarantee equal results.
are universities forced to graduate an equal number or percentage of different races?
is the NFL being reverse racist because teams must interview minorities when head coaching and management positions become available (the Rooney Rule)?
this reverse racism victimhood cloak doesn't look good on you or anyone else. it looks like it was made in china at a trump cloak factory. shed your cloak and come into the light, sir. the sky is sunny and the air is warm here.
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: relic]
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"making the playing field equal"....who determines that? How long (timewise) until its equal?
Im interested see empirical evidence how Affirmative Action or other policies have propelled a certain class/race through the years..... it has been going on for awhile now.
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affirmative action has been going on for a while, you're right. but that 'a while' equals only about a third of the time that the majority here spent subjugating and oppressing black people.
despite what my posts might indicate, i'm not a huge advocate for affirmative action. having said that we all know that in the 184 years of formal US history and the 341 years between the first slaves arriving until the initiation of AA, a tremendous amount of often hideous things were done to hold back and keep down black people as a whole. there are the exceptional who have risen above despite all of that history, but the vast majority were literally subjugated. in light of that a little more leveling is probably the right thing to do.
all in all, it's for people much smarter than me to legislate.
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: relic]
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American schools educate race-consciousness into children by talking about white privilege all the time. So the schools promote antiwhite racism and divide people into people of color and whites and incite people of color against the whites. Then in rebellion against this you have white nationalists who are "reactionaries". In other words they are the reaction to the antiwhite racism of the schools.
Being somewhere in the middle between those two extremes seems to make the most sense to me. In between the far left and the far right seems to make the most sense.
It's actually impossible to understand society by thinking of things purely in terms of race. There is also a social class issue. For instance right now there is a lot of tension between rich educated white liberal elites and working class whites. The white liberal elites are actually trying to replace working class whites by importing a new working class. Then the rich privileged white liberal uses the idea of "white privilege" to silence the working class white when the working class white complains about being dispossessed through his job being sent overseas or his job being given to an immigrant due to a diversity quota.
The rich white liberal is far more of an enemy to the working class white than a random non-White person. So if the working class white were to think of things in terms of "white is good, non-white is bad" he would be using a worldview that does not serve his interests because he would be blind to the fact his biggest social enemy is the white liberal who wants to totally dispossess the white working class in the name of global humanitarianism.
The white liberal is the biggest enemy of the white working class. That being said I am not optimistic about the republicans and what they claim they are going to do for workers. I am willing to wait and see but I am not optimistic about it.
I think the biggest antidote to racism is civic nationalism. An American identity and American pride that transcends race. A unified American identity based around shared patriotism. Not the mindless pro-war patriotism though. People all have their stereotypes about racial and ethnic groups and everyone has their preferences but at the end of the day we are all Americans and should respect equal rights.
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: lines]
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Some of the most insidious and dangerous things hide in plain site....unabated and overlooked.
Yes, blacks were enslaved; codified into law with the blessing of the government(with Jim Crow and such); now government is the solution? Perpetuating the same under a guise;one could argue?
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: relic]
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relic said: assuring that an equal number or percentage of different races gets opportunity for higher learning, for instance, doesn't guarantee equal results.
are universities forced to graduate an equal number or percentage of different races?
is the NFL being reverse racist because teams must interview minorities when head coaching and management positions become available (the Rooney Rule)?
this reverse racism victimhood cloak doesn't look good on you or anyone else. it looks like it was made in china at a trump cloak factory. shed your cloak and come into the light, sir. the sky is sunny and the air is warm here.
"assuring that an equal number or percentage of different races gets opportunity for higher learning"
That "assuring" discriminates against people based on race that are more qualified for the opportunity, that's called racism. Didn't those people have equal opportunity before the screening process? Did anyone stop those students from preparing for their SAT tests? NO.
Guess what happens when a company if forced to hire incompetent minorities in the workforce? Every minority is viewed as a handout case and gets no respect despite the fact that they are very competent.
Guess what happens when an university accepts incompetent minorities into their schools? It turns into a big mess with both the professors and other students knowing that they don't belong in that environment, it becomes counterproductive for everyone, especially the minority students.
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: relic]
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relic said: affirmative action has been going on for a while, you're right. but that 'a while' equals only about a third of the time that the majority here spent subjugating and oppressing black people.
despite what my posts might indicate, i'm not a huge advocate for affirmative action. having said that we all know that in the 184 years of formal US history and the 341 years between the first slaves arriving until the initiation of AA, a tremendous amount of often hideous things were done to hold back and keep down black people as a whole. there are the exceptional who have risen above despite all of that history, but the vast majority were literally subjugated. in light of that a little more leveling is probably the right thing to do.
all in all, it's for people much smarter than me to legislate.
Yeah, lets leave it up to those brilliant racist liberals to "legislate" equality, even if it discriminates against people that had NOTHING to do with things that occurred hundreds of years ago.
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: qman]
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"assuring that an equal number or percentage of different races gets opportunity for higher learning"
That "assuring" discriminates against people based on race that are more qualified for the opportunity, that's called racism. Didn't those people have equal opportunity before the screening process? Did anyone stop those students from preparing for their SAT tests? NO.
Guess what happens when a company if forced to hire incompetent minorities in the workforce? Every minority is viewed as a handout case and gets no respect despite the fact that they are very competent.
Guess what happens when an university accepts incompetent minorities into their schools? It turns into a big mess with both the professors and other students knowing that they don't belong in that environment, it becomes counterproductive for everyone, especially the minority students.
Very true but with affirmative action you got minorities and women in schools or jobs they had no qualifications nor experience in. Its just the handout generation to fill a quota which in fact makes people look really incompetent.
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: qman]
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relic said: affirmative action has been going on for a while, you're right. but that 'a while' equals only about a third of the time that the majority here spent subjugating and oppressing black people.
despite what my posts might indicate, i'm not a huge advocate for affirmative action. having said that we all know that in the 184 years of formal US history and the 341 years between the first slaves arriving until the initiation of AA, a tremendous amount of often hideous things were done to hold back and keep down black people as a whole. there are the exceptional who have risen above despite all of that history, but the vast majority were literally subjugated. in light of that a little more leveling is probably the right thing to do.
all in all, it's for people much smarter than me to legislate.
Yeah, lets leave it up to those brilliant racist liberals to "legislate" equality, even if it discriminates against people that had NOTHING to do with things that occurred hundreds of years ago. 
Wasn't it liberals that were pro slavery at one point?
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Yes, blacks were enslaved; codified into law with the blessing of the government(with Jim Crow and such); now government is the solution? Perpetuating the same under a guise;one could argue?
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ie Welfare state (single mother victimhood)
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qman said: "assuring that an equal number or percentage of different races gets opportunity for higher learning"
That "assuring" discriminates against people based on race that are more qualified for the opportunity, that's called racism. Didn't those people have equal opportunity before the screening process? Did anyone stop those students from preparing for their SAT tests? NO.
You assume that minority kids raised in a slum had equal opportunity to prepare for college. Very poor assumption.
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"assuring that an equal number or percentage of different races gets opportunity for higher learning"
That "assuring" discriminates against people based on race that are more qualified for the opportunity, that's called racism.
wait, i thought it was liberals that were always seeing and claiming racism in everything? that glib comment aside, i would argue that a necessary component of real racism in this context is power. when those in power (in the majority) are humbled by a leveled field, that's not racism, imo. it's giving someone a hand up, not a hand out, so that they can help themselves and either sink or swim. there is no guarantee of results, thus nothing wrong with that. i'm not threatened by someone being given a fair opportunity to beat me; it makes me try that much harder. i guess you're talking about the weak that just give up when the man allows someone who doesn't look like them a similar opportunity.
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Didn't those people have equal opportunity before the screening process? Did anyone stop those students from preparing for their SAT tests? NO.
no, those people don't always have the same quality of education and opportunity; i know you know this but you're just being disingenuous and i doubt you'll ever admit it here. again, they've been systematically marginalized and subjugated for 100's of years. you think 50 years of AA, during most of which large portions of the US have still treated them like shit while doing their level best to hold them back, is enough to erase centuries of oppression? let's be honest for just a minute, at least.
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qman said: Guess what happens when a company if forced to hire incompetent minorities in the workforce? Every minority is viewed as a handout case and gets no respect despite the fact that they are very competent.
only by those who are inherently prejudiced. you just gave a great example of the prejudice that pervades certain parts of this country, well done. now learn something from that, will you? stop treating everyone of a race the same because of your experience with just a couple of said race. grow. evolve. incompetent employees should be retrained, if possible, or fired. i do it all the time at my business no matter what color their skin.
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qman said: Guess what happens when an university accepts incompetent minorities into their schools? It turns into a big mess with both the professors and other students knowing that they don't belong in that environment, it becomes counterproductive for everyone, especially the minority students.
let me help you. strike all that junk after the first sentence and write, "they fail out".
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Yeah, lets leave it up to those brilliant racist liberals to "legislate" equality, even if it discriminates against people that had NOTHING to do with things that occurred hundreds of years ago.
all this deserves is a lolz.
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That "assuring" discriminates against people based on race that are more qualified for the opportunity, that's called racism. Didn't those people have equal opportunity before the screening process? Did anyone stop those students from preparing for their SAT tests? NO.
You assume that minority kids raised in a slum had equal opportunity to prepare for college. Very poor assumption.
Nothing is equal in life, does that mean only some people should get preferential treatment based on that fact?
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: qman]
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The issue here is equal opportunity, which you agreed with above. Everyone deserves a fair chance, and if they're given a fair chance and don't succeed, THEN that's too bad.
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Re: Why so racist? [Re: qman]
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qman said:Actually, when it comes to getting preferential treatment based on race, which both AA and quotas do, it's seeking equal RESULTS. Guess what happens when the quotas aren't met? The iron hand of the government comes in and makes SURE there's equal RESULTS.
What equal results? And I don't know what kind of "iron hand" Affirmative Action possesses, but its funny you don't feel the same way about that "iron hand" beating the shit out of protesters.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The issue here is equal opportunity, which you agreed with above. Everyone deserves a fair chance, and if they're given a fair chance and don't succeed, THEN that's too bad.
"Everyone deserves a fair chance"
Not according to AA, one's person "fair chance" comes at the expense of another person's racial discrimination.
Why should someone who is more qualified get rejected so that people like yourself think they're handing out "fair chances" based on racial discrimination?
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What equal results? And I don't know what kind of "iron hand" Affirmative Action possesses, but its funny you don't feel the same way about that "iron hand" beating the shit out of protesters.
"What equal results?"
Equal percentages based on race for employment relative to the general population.
"feel the same way about that 'iron hand' beating the shit out of protesters"
What "protesters"? Where?
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You grew up monochromatically isolated, and coincidentally developed an acute distate for "the other(s)."
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"assuring that an equal number or percentage of different races gets opportunity for higher learning"
That "assuring" discriminates against people based on race that are more qualified for the opportunity, that's called racism.
wait, i thought it was liberals that were always seeing and claiming racism in everything? that glib comment aside, i would argue that a necessary component of real racism in this context is power. when those in power (in the majority) are humbled by a leveled field, that's not racism, imo. it's giving someone a hand up, not a hand out, so that they can help themselves and either sink or swim. there is no guarantee of results, thus nothing wrong with that. i'm not threatened by someone being given a fair opportunity to beat me; it makes me try that much harder. i guess you're talking about the weak that just give up when the man allows someone who doesn't look like them a similar opportunity.
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Didn't those people have equal opportunity before the screening process? Did anyone stop those students from preparing for their SAT tests? NO.
no, those people don't always have the same quality of education and opportunity; i know you know this but you're just being disingenuous and i doubt you'll ever admit it here. again, they've been systematically marginalized and subjugated for 100's of years. you think 50 years of AA, during most of which large portions of the US have still treated them like shit while doing their level best to hold them back, is enough to erase centuries of oppression? let's be honest for just a minute, at least.
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qman said: Guess what happens when a company if forced to hire incompetent minorities in the workforce? Every minority is viewed as a handout case and gets no respect despite the fact that they are very competent.
only by those who are inherently prejudiced. you just gave a great example of the prejudice that pervades certain parts of this country, well done. now learn something from that, will you? stop treating everyone of a race the same because of your experience with just a couple of said race. grow. evolve. incompetent employees should be retrained, if possible, or fired. i do it all the time at my business no matter what color their skin.
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qman said: Guess what happens when an university accepts incompetent minorities into their schools? It turns into a big mess with both the professors and other students knowing that they don't belong in that environment, it becomes counterproductive for everyone, especially the minority students.
let me help you. strike all that junk after the first sentence and write, "they fail out".
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Yeah, lets leave it up to those brilliant racist liberals to "legislate" equality, even if it discriminates against people that had NOTHING to do with things that occurred hundreds of years ago.
all this deserves is a lolz.
"when those in power are humbled by a leveled playing field, that's not racism"
How is a broke white person who is discriminated based on race for a job being "humbled"? Yes, that is racism. 
"it's giving someone a hand up"
No, it's giving someone preferential treatment based solely on race, that's racism.
"I'm not threatened by someone being given a fair opportunity to beat me"
I'm not either, but there's nothing fair about giving someone less qualified a job based on race, that's racism.
"those people don't always have the same quality of education and opportunity"
The same could be said for anyone in the US, or is race the only criteria you're interested in using discrimination?
"learn something from that, will you"
I think you need to learn that when you give handouts to less qualified people, if affects the whole demographic. How do they now gain respect from co-workers, clients and management?
I knew of a black girl that got accepted to a very high level university a few years back, she went to the orientation one weekend and I asked her how did she like it. The first thing she said was that she hated the school and will not be attending.
I asked why? She said all the students asked what her SAT scores and when she told them the scores they basically told her she was stupid and had no business attending that school, she was devastated.
The point is she should have NEVER been put into the position, it made her feel like shit, it doesn't work.
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The Ecstatic said: You grew up monochromatically isolated, and coincidentally developed an acute distate for "the other(s)."
Total nonsense, when I went to college and after I got to receive all of the great aspects of "cultural diversity".
"acute distate for 'the other'"
Not at all, I just don't want to live in dangerous areas.
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qman said: There was one black guy in my High School
Its all coming together.
Your point?
His point is whitey is racist, it's the same shit he's been spewing, it's all he knows.
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The Ecstatic said: You grew up monochromatically isolated, and coincidentally developed an acute distate for "the other(s)."
Total nonsense, when I went to college and after I got to receive all of the great aspects of "cultural diversity".
"acute distate for 'the other'"
Not at all, I just don't want to live in dangerous areas.
You don't even realize that this response is proving my point.
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