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InvisibleMollyLucyMaryJane

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Wdf is this anyways
    #23873425 - 11/27/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why is there existence?
Why is matter here.
Why isnt there nothing?
These questions frustrate me almost more than any other thing in "life"


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane] * 1
    #23873433 - 11/27/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

To experience.

If you were infinity, than your sincerest desire would be to be limited.
To experience limitation, as a person, as a lizard, as a tree.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane] * 1
    #23873435 - 11/27/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"Nothing" cannot exist except as a concept in relation to something. 

Since non-existence cannot exist, everything has to exist.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23873437 - 11/27/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



WE have all the answers, but do not share them lightly. :nono:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23873439 - 11/27/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Or perhaps the entire meaning of existence is to ask these questions:

Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:
Why is there existence?
Why is matter here.
Why isnt there nothing?
These questions frustrate me almost more than any other thing in "life"




:lol:

It's all a play.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23873451 - 11/27/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



It's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt!


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InvisibleMollyLucyMaryJane

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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23873465 - 11/27/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Excellent replies Tmethyl and MrBlueYoMind ... and OrgoneConclusion
Thanks


Edited by MollyLucyMaryJane (11/27/16 10:59 PM)


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23873469 - 11/27/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Welcome back to enjoying life without all that mind sound.
Now make it all worth it, by loving every moment.

:bashful:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23873593 - 11/27/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:
Excellent replies Tmethyl and MrBlueYoMind
Thanks




I don't get an Honorable Mention? :waits:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23873629 - 11/27/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:
Excellent replies Tmethyl and MrBlueYoMind
Thanks




I don't get an Honorable Mention? :waits:




Dis-honorable discharge?

:hahthatsrich:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23873640 - 11/27/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:
Why is there existence?
Why is matter here.
Why isnt there nothing?
These questions frustrate me almost more than any other thing in "life"




Quantum fluctuations yo
:sagetrip:
Pilot wave theory n shit


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane] * 1
    #23873673 - 11/27/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:
Why is there existence?
Why is matter here.
Why isnt there nothing?
These questions frustrate me almost more than any other thing in "life"




frustrate you? no they dont.  thats something else.  It makes me feel joy to question like this, I feel a sense of release and like being settled when I do.

Tonight is a mystery.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23873678 - 11/27/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I depends on the look in your eye when you say it.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: Khancious]
    #23873695 - 11/27/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Khancious said:
Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:
Excellent replies Tmethyl and MrBlueYoMind
Thanks




I don't get an Honorable Mention? :waits:




Dis-honorable discharge?

:hahthatsrich:




On your face?

:burn:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23873701 - 11/27/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

MrBlueYoMind said:
"Nothing" cannot exist except as a concept in relation to something. 

Since non-existence cannot exist, everything has to exist.




How bout this.

"Something" cannot exist except as a concept in relation to nothing.

Since something can exist everything has to be nothing.


Clever word twists don't necessarily have any substance nor truth.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23873746 - 11/27/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:
Excellent replies Tmethyl and MrBlueYoMind
Thanks




I don't get an Honorable Mention? :waits:




tbh ur right it is all fun and games until someone gets hurt.


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InvisibleMollyLucyMaryJane

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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: pineninja]
    #23873749 - 11/27/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

pineninja said:
Quote:

MrBlueYoMind said:
"Nothing" cannot exist except as a concept in relation to something. 

Since non-existence cannot exist, everything has to exist.




How bout this.

"Something" cannot exist except as a concept in relation to nothing.

Since something can exist everything has to be nothing.


Clever word twists don't necessarily have any substance nor truth.





Excellent point, many of the "philosophical questions" i see are just language problems not a real problem.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23873774 - 11/27/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

Khancious said:
Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:
Excellent replies Tmethyl and MrBlueYoMind
Thanks




I don't get an Honorable Mention? :waits:




Dis-honorable discharge?

:hahthatsrich:




On your face?

:burn:




:drinkingproblem:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: Khancious]
    #23873776 - 11/27/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Fuck diabetes!


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23873789 - 11/27/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There is no such thing as matter.

Matter is an illusion dreamed up by God out of boredom.

To know this is to be insane, which is why you will protect your sanity by denying it.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: viktor]
    #23873826 - 11/27/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And this folks, is a prime example of a 'deepity'!



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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23873841 - 11/27/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Eat this and ego-die for your sins

:pope:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: Khancious]
    #23873849 - 11/27/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



OK.


Seriously though, these women are certainly going to hell!



Who will join me?


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: Khancious]
    #23873851 - 11/27/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:derail:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23873859 - 11/27/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Don't make me get all funky!


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23873862 - 11/27/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How much funk are you harboring exactly?

:scarybeat:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23873864 - 11/27/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm a funkie for junk

:wellidunno:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: Khancious] * 1
    #23874127 - 11/28/16 03:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There is only the Self and that is without choices, so you cannot choose to become the Self.

Everything is without choice, it is just God.

God Alone Is

and got is the ultimate bliss, forever and ever,

Amennnnnnnn


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23874135 - 11/28/16 03:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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God Alone Is

and got is the ultimate bliss, forever and ever,

Amennnnnnnn




Life is suffering

But

All suffering, like life, is illusion.

God alone is

And God is the ultimate bliss, forever and ever.

Thus, all sensations to the contrary are not-God, and being not-God are fleeting and temporal.

Thus, all suffering exists to the exact degree that we cling to it.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: viktor]
    #23874150 - 11/28/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Very, very good! Very wise words.

Everything we do is ignorance.

Only God is real.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: viktor]
    #23874161 - 11/28/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

God is nothing compared to infinity, If you want to believe in a god believe in Infinity


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane] * 1
    #23874226 - 11/28/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We're talking about God as Yourself.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23874300 - 11/28/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Infinity is contained within God.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: viktor]
    #23874323 - 11/28/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah well I love it !


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: viktor]
    #23880376 - 11/30/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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viktor said:
Infinity is contained




This cannot happen. It is one of the key concepts of infinity.
Its not a number or something that can be contained and that is why it is so remarkable.

Infinity is unlimited/unbounded/immeasurable
The only thing that can ever be greater than infinity is another form of infinity.

So basically Infinity can only ever be contained by another form of infinity.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23880461 - 11/30/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

bleh everyone thinks there god!  yea right!  one with, sure ill buy that.

your all just some sperm grown up :smile::jimmies:

carry on


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23880480 - 11/30/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I honestly dont see where you came to that conclusion and I really wish "god" would have never come up in this thread.
Whenever I try to make a thread about discussing things like this it always boils down to "god" and completely derails the thread and starts an argument about "god".

Religion is the #1 thing I think this world would do better without.

I know people cant help it because somehow they believe "god" is the answer to everything and to stop thinking because its all just "god" but for once I would love to see actual input instead of the usual dont bother thinking, sum it all up to "god" and abandon your ideas.

I consider myself a philosopher and maybe I am maybe im not either way its extremely frustrating to have such a simple, ridiculous answer to such amazing questions, constantly thrown in your face.

Why does matter exist? = god
Where did god come from? = god
How did god make god? = god

Its childish and it needs to stop.

Go ahead and hate me for saying all this but its true.


Edited by MollyLucyMaryJane (11/30/16 01:55 AM)


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane] * 1
    #23881814 - 11/30/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So what we're saying is -

Reality is. You are That. You don't get a choice, you can only pay attention to illusion, but since it is illusion you do not see it, so you never pay attention to it.

The Self is not in the flow of time, the Self is in eternity, when one pays attention to Self by simply paying attention, one is "out of time and into eternity."

Since there is only That, what ever That does, it happens outside of time, so that, when returning to itself, it never left.

So I use 'God' because it's kind of what religion was originally about. Also I'm egotistical. ha.

It's just a matter of losing sight of other things.

So as for causes, who does the caused events appear to? No one in time. Therefore, the world is unborn, since the world is a manifestation of Self.

..."Illusion" is a bit of a put down.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23881869 - 11/30/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:
Why is there existence?
Why is matter here.
Why isnt there nothing?
These questions frustrate me almost more than any other thing in "life"




they better question is "Why not"
why isn't there more?
why is it so hard to accurately perceive things?
Why not a limitless existence of perpetually more complex creation?


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #23882059 - 11/30/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

to ask about an experience you must separate from it
nobody says: " why am i orgasaming?" while orgasaming

nobody says: " why am i drinking water?" while drinking water

nobody says: " why am i enjoying silence?" while being silent

just as folks talk to themselves without realizing how peculiar it is
people assume they can separate from life
and comment on it
but in reality one can't be separate from the activity of life
this is also a trick of language
that sentence really should be:
"but in reality one can't be separate from the continuous activity of living",
here 'life' has been changed from a noun into a verb
but notice 'activity' remains a noun!

We are often fooled by language, habit, assumptions, and convention,
when thinking about 'philosophical' questions.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23882156 - 11/30/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:



"Something" cannot exist except as a concept in relation to nothing.

Since something can exist everything has to be nothing.


Clever word twists don't necessarily have any substance nor truth.



words are a direct connection with truth. anyone saying otherwise makes themself a liar.


indeed, something exists, and it is Nothing.

Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:
Quote:

viktor said:
Infinity is contained




This cannot happen. It is one of the key concepts of infinity.
Its not a number or something that can be contained and that is why it is so remarkable.

Infinity is unlimited/unbounded/immeasurable
The only thing that can ever be greater than infinity is another form of infinity.

So basically Infinity can only ever be contained by another form of infinity.



wrong. infinity as a set is finite, it only contains infinity, therefore it is 1.


infinity is a process. we are all working on it together. it arises from the Spark whirling around Nothing.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: nothing exists]
    #23882446 - 11/30/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nothing exists said:

Clever word twists don't necessarily have any substance nor truth.




words are a direct connection with truth. anyone saying otherwise makes themself a liar.





tut tut

words vs words = truth
or
words vs words = silly or "themself" or anything ...

tut tut

words vs words = words vs words = words vs words = words vs words =


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: laughingdog]
    #23882765 - 11/30/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Some pretty great points Laughingdog. While I dont completely agree with your point that nobody thinks about things while doing them,
I do agree that to ask about an experience or even think about one subjectively, you must be separate and "step outside the box" of what your thinking about if you want to be unbiased.
I also agree that language fools people very often thinking that it means far more than it does.

It is very confusing to me. Whenever I think to myself "why isnt there nothing?" "Why is what I am perceiving right now even here?"
I often think it is only confusing because in our life everything has a start and an end, everything is finite.

The only thing I can think of that would make sense to me is infinite possibility/Infinite change.
I really do believe that to be the answer to everything, The fact that infinity exists.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: nothing exists]
    #23882776 - 11/30/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nothing exists said:
"infinity as a set"  "it only contains"  "it arises"





These are things that are not possible with infinity. It always has and it always will be. It is completely unlimited in infinite ways. Nothing can every be greater than it, save for other infinities, things can only ever be within it.
Infinity is a very difficult thing to talk about as so much in our lives we use ideas like "contains,begins,ends,measures" These are things that just stop making sense with infinity.


Also words can contradict themselves in many ways. Here is an example:
The following statement is true. The previous statement is false.


Edited by MollyLucyMaryJane (11/30/16 07:43 PM)


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23883161 - 11/30/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

It is very confusing to me. Whenever I think to myself "why isnt there nothing?" "Why is what I am perceiving right now even here?"



indeed, Nothing is a very confusing topic, but very important to understand.

Nothing is the fabric of the universe. it is the 'space' in an atom, the void which Charge is wrapped around. infinity is a property of this coupling. infinity does not describe a property of the universe but rather the process of being a part of it.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: nothing exists]
    #23883180 - 11/30/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I dont mean the nothing contained within the universe. I mean nothing as No matter period. Absolute, complete, infinite nothingness.
Thats what confuses me. Why isnt it that way? why does this shit exist.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23883202 - 11/30/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont mean the nothing contained within the universe. I mean nothing as No matter period. Absolute, complete, infinite nothingness.
Thats what confuses me. Why isnt it that way? why does this shit exist.



matter does not exist, if you think otherwise, please explain using clear terms.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: nothing exists]
    #23883373 - 11/30/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Obviously I cant prove matter actually exists lol thats beside the point. The fact that im here typing this right now proves there is more than absolute purgatory.

Why dosent that absolute purgatory exist instead of this? To me it would make a lot more sense for there to be complete nothingness.

Are you trying to suggest that  this life/reality is what nothing looks like?

These questions are clearly unanswerable but definitely fun to debate.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23883410 - 12/01/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Why dosent that absolute purgatory exist instead of this? To me it would make a lot more sense for there to be complete nothingness.



this is the nature of reality, a grand unification of disparate ideas, where Nothing is all there is.


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Are you trying to suggest that  this life/reality is what nothing looks like?



once again, there is one reality, thats it, and furthermore, there is one life, we all live it, forever if you want, its infinitely variable.

yes, we are the Nothing that is the universe, it is animated by Charge or Spark, that is all there is, and since Spark is just a shadow of the energy that created it, it doesnt exist either, we simply see the effect like the wind blowing leaves, so technically, all that is real is Nothing.


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These questions are clearly unanswerable but definitely fun to debate.



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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23883419 - 12/01/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

why can't both exist?

an interesting debate on the nature of nothing:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23883445 - 12/01/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

the 'nothing' they attempt to discuss is not the same as the Nothing that forms the universe. the closest they come to realizing the Nothing is the concept of dark energy, which is still orders of magnitude removed from reality.

Nothing exists, as in, it is real.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: nothing exists]
    #23883475 - 12/01/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

skip to about 38 min


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: nothing exists]
    #23883486 - 12/01/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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all questions have clear answers.




While I think you have interesting ideas in the end our ideas are all conjecture.
In the case of questions like this I dont think its just a simple/clear answer. I think there are too many new questions that would show up in trying to answer this to have just 1 answer.

There are so many variables that proof to any idea on the existence of reality would be impossible to find.

In the end we all know nothing, we have a massive lack of information and we cant even come close to understanding these things.


Sometimes I think Infinity may be a cop out like religion but to me its a far more tangible cop out. Something that is a simple, sweet answer.
Infinite possibility and change means that eventually every possible thing is going to happen. even infinite nothingness.

I want to try to understand this reality without just saying everything is infinite but I think that may be the answer and its frustrating.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23883490 - 12/01/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

how is that frustrating?


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: nothing exists]
    #23883494 - 12/01/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Your frustration may be borne from the fact your trying to figure out something you neither can nor need to.
An acceptance of your own insignificance may sound like a cop out but also may eventually be a place of solace.
The tree doesn't question its existence, why would it.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23883496 - 12/01/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Because it makes me feel like a cop out. Like im just giving up like a religious person saying oh its just god that did everything, Instead of working harder to try to find my own logical explanation.

Almost like my hobby is dead because I finished it. It seems like I thought of the best answer im ever going to.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: pineninja]
    #23883497 - 12/01/16 01:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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pineninja said:
Your frustration may be borne from the fact your trying to figure out something you neither can nor need to.
An acceptance of your own insignificance may sound like a cop out but also may eventually be a place of solace.
The tree doesn't question its existence, why would it.




That is basically the opposite of what I feel and believe in.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23883500 - 12/01/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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skip to about 38 min



if you are referring to string theory, then no, not even close to Nothing in concept and really just a bunch of nonsense, go ahead, study up, most theoretical science is utter bullshit.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23883501 - 12/01/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's fine each to their own. I was very much of the same opinion at one time....and may end up back there:shrug:


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23883529 - 12/01/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Because it makes me feel like a cop out. Like im just giving up like a religious person saying oh its just god that did everything, Instead of working harder to try to find my own logical explanation.

Almost like my hobby is dead because I finished it. It seems like I thought of the best answer im ever going to.



not sure where you get the idea you are done already, you are right in the thick of it, seriously, look around, what is the dominate force on this planet... conciousness, the more you got the more you get, at some point you must move on, or you become stuck.

move on does not mean killing yourself until you get it right.

it means you use your life energy to grow your conciousness flower, you work it out for yourself, everyone does. this is what you want, enhanced engagement with the forces of reality.

there is no god as you understand it, not here, with us, sorry.


Mind created the universe. Mind is, without beginning, every now, forever

Mind is Nothing right now, and also, infinite-future Spark energy.

we are part of a large process, it will play out, eventually, no matter what, there is no free will strictly speaking, you are required by law to participate in infinity, because while it has endless variation, it is a set of one, which means it is resolved, we are one...

just not right now...


buddistic practices are nice, work in all forms will free you, if you are mindful and do a good job, this is the best way, even walking will do it.

drugs are for special, carefully planned explorations. i know that sounds prude at this board, but really, psychedelics wont set you free, they are just a tool.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: nothing exists]
    #23883542 - 12/01/16 02:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oh trust me I know manmade religion is fake. Its obvious why it was created in the first place.
As for a higher power who knows? But of one thing im sure even a higher power wouldnt know all the answers or be infinite in any way.
Perhaps your right though. Maybe infinity isnt the end all answer to everything.

Hallucinogens, Tbh, I dont feel like they have any real practical use in philosophy. Ive done alot of them so im definitely biased. Ive gotten drunk and eaten wild cubensis until I was full. Its just mind trickery.
Real philosophical thoughts come through when sober in my experience.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23883679 - 12/01/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Real philosophical thoughts come through when sober in my experience.




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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23883695 - 12/01/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Real philosophical thoughts come through when sober in my experience.




When im fucked up I dont sit around and ponder questions. I party.


Besides I stand by what I said. People like to think that mushrooms lsd ect open this magical gateway in your mind but I dont believe that to be the case.
I think hallus can make you think differently but whether or not that makes someone think more logically is entirely dependent on the person and imo more rare than not.


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: nothing exists]
    #23883992 - 12/01/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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nothing exists said:
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skip to about 38 min



if you are referring to string theory, then no, not even close to Nothing in concept and really just a bunch of nonsense, go ahead, study up, most theoretical science is utter bullshit.




nope, the lady isn't important.  But as soon as she's done, Blue jacket guy starts talking, and the next 10 min are reasonably interesting


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Re: Wdf is this anyways [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23909149 - 12/09/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's as simple as thinking,

"I am God."


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