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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23856729 - 11/22/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its not that trump is the greatest its because hes not hillary or bernie. And i suppose were talking about the evolution of politics now haha

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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI] * 1
    #23857850 - 11/22/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

  • Obama didn't cut military spending.
  • Obama has deported more people than previous Presidents
  • Corporations send jobs overseas and I guess Obama influences that by not removing citizens united.
  • No one is trying to ban firearms in America, they want to implement background checks so that you can't buy a gun easier than aspirin.
  • Clinton is an establishment insider, Bernie Sanders is a progressive representative of the people.
  • Obama was continuing Bush era wars, as horrible and wasteful as they have been.
  • And yes, tax the rich and give to the poor because the rich have insane tax loop holes where a CEO pays as many taxes as a teacher and they can store profits in tax havens such as the Panamas to not pay tax.


Who's going to pay for roads? Who's going to pay for schools? Hospitals? Government agencies? Maybe it's the governments role to allocate tax payer money to areas that help the entirety of a society instead of the 1%.

I feel your pain at the misfortune being brought upon America but you should steer that anger towards the establishment and not the progressives like Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein and Elizabeth Warren who are fighting to improve the lives of all Americans.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: sudly]
    #23857984 - 11/22/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

hey sudly
your political knowledge surpasses your scientific theory
good!


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23858096 - 11/22/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Cheers but I still don't see sense in your apparent fear of my Triune theory.

If it's true wouldn't it be nice to have an anatomical understanding of the human experience?

Or is it what it would mean to you if scientific reality really is that obscure?


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: sudly]
    #23858252 - 11/22/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

it cant be true because it is not consistent with
a) vocabulary
b) physiology
c) chemistry
d) physics

in triune theory you are attempting to attribute and localize concepts of brain activity that are not consistently defined or are completely not necessary.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23858295 - 11/22/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

a) Name a word I used in it that doesn't make sense to you?
b) It's in sync with the human nervous system so you are incorrect.
c) The chemistry involved is that of anxiolytic interactions between entheogens and the human nervous system.
d) The physics of the human nervous system involve chemical and electrical interactions which are consistent with physics.

In Triune theory I am trying to remove colloquial interpretations of what makes a human unique because we are all evolved and we all share common ancestry.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: sudly]
    #23859674 - 11/23/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
  • Obama didn't cut military spending.
  • Obama has deported more people than previous Presidents
  • Corporations send jobs overseas and I guess Obama influences that by not removing citizens united.
  • No one is trying to ban firearms in America, they want to implement background checks so that you can't buy a gun easier than aspirin.
  • Clinton is an establishment insider, Bernie Sanders is a progressive representative of the people.
  • Obama was continuing Bush era wars, as horrible and wasteful as they have been.
  • And yes, tax the rich and give to the poor because the rich have insane tax loop holes where a CEO pays as many taxes as a teacher and they can store profits in tax havens such as the Panamas to not pay tax.


Who's going to pay for roads? Who's going to pay for schools? Hospitals? Government agencies? Maybe it's the governments role to allocate tax payer money to areas that help the entirety of a society instead of the 1%.

I feel your pain at the misfortune being brought upon America but you should steer that anger towards the establishment and not the progressives like Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein and Elizabeth Warren who are fighting to improve the lives of all Americans.




Your going to pay for those roads regardless besides my mother was mayor and the city pays for roads not the federal government, whats needed most is to cut government spending, she told me tha majority of debt comes from art, or a stadium for a highschool team. And trust me my anger goes to every establishment house their is. The american people need to stand up and shut down the blm and those who killed and stole the bundys land. That was a modern day indian removal.. Did you know it took good ol bernie 40 years before he went to work? Jill stein and elizabeth warren should be hanged alngside hillary cunton, look into the clinton foundation and how they stole haties earthquake money. Or how she released thousand upon thousand of emails to god knows who.. Clinton as a insider... Yeah the inside of everyones pocket book. What happened to basic business skills. If you dont have the money you cant buy it, with all these educated college graduates you would think someone knew how to balance a checkbook. 20 trillion in debt holy fuck me thats insane like reallybro really? And you wanna put the same minded people back in power.. Get outta here lmao

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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI] * 2
    #23859728 - 11/23/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Over half the discretionary spending of America goes to the military and that's with tax payer money which could be spread among all government organisations and agencies.

You sound as ignorant as they come.

Your intentions may be well placed but I can not be bothered to correct your cluster fuck of beliefs about how horrible progressives are because you've bought into biased media interpretations and false partisan labeling when the truth is that both the Republicans and Democrats are corrupt. 

Progressives are fighting for people.
Republicans and Democrats are fighting for corporations.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: sudly]
    #23859993 - 11/23/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
Over half the discretionary spending of America goes to the military and that's with tax payer money which could be spread among all government organisations and agencies.

You sound as ignorant as they come.

Your intentions may be well placed but I can not be bothered to correct your cluster fuck of beliefs about how horrible progressives are because you've bought into biased media interpretations and false partisan labeling when the truth is that both the Republicans and Democrats are corrupt. 

Progressives are fighting for people.
Republicans and Democrats are fighting for corporations.




Nicely said. :thumbup:


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: sudly]
    #23860311 - 11/23/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
Over half the discretionary spending of America goes to the military and that's with tax payer money which could be spread among all government organisations and agencies.





Who is going to pay for the military?

:archiebunker:


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #23860726 - 11/23/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Crazy_Horse said:
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Who is going to pay for the military?





well partly they (weapons / arms manufacturers) sell weapons to lots of other countries on the side
and the government representatives are in bed with the lobbyists
and whole communities are dependent on military jobs
so the government representatives are motivated to vote in ways to keep those jobs
etc
the corruption is many levels deep
so it's not just tax money that funds it
then there is the related war on drugs,
and the reshaping of police into a more militarized force,
and the DEA, FBI, CIA, NSA, School of the Americas, & God knows what else
and don't forget Olie North
But remember we are the worlds' greatest democracy ever !!

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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: laughingdog]
    #23860812 - 11/23/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Is that supposed to answer my question?


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #23860855 - 11/23/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

partly, yes, it was an attempt to answer your question

by suggesting some factors involved such as:

taxes as well as

arms sales

instigated and unreported wars and 'advisors'

hidden deals involving drugs for arms such as the Olie North deal

and

to suggest all these are connected

and so connected and hidden
that a complete answer is not possible.

Wiki leaks and Edward Snowden both revealed
how all sorts of hidden deals also influence these matters.

Do you think there is a straight forward simple answer anyone could give you?

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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: laughingdog]
    #23861306 - 11/23/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i see what you mena
oh what a tangled (gary) webb
we weave
a bag on the runway
is worth two in the bush


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23861332 - 11/23/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

have you taken a basic course in getting over women who dumped you?  do you know what the words "good bye" even means?



BURN.


that wAS from Jesus btw. 


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI] * 1
    #23872876 - 11/27/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

just for fun

the question really should be reframed:
To: "What are the flaws in evolution?"

then we can answer
from whose point of view?
the lions or the zebras?
men or women's point of view?
the malaria parasite, mosquitoes, humans, or the gene for sickle cell anemia?
the wolves or the raindeers' point of view?

from the point of view of the wolves it's a lot of hard work to get a meal
and then you have to fight your brothers and wait for the alpha male and female to eat first, unless you are the alpha male ...
from the point of view of a slower deer it sucks big time.
from the point of view of evolution it keeps them all fit.
As humans save more and more unfit people health wise,
the results maybe less than optimal
As human culture gives advantage to a peculiar subset of humans
that are good at prospering economically
the results maybe less than optimal in terms of what human potential potentially was

As life is synonymous with evolution
the only conclusion is that life itself
does not have human values
it obviously just does what it does
it is we who project purpose

Just as the sun will turn into a red giant
and incinerate the inner planets
so the universe itself
does not have human values
it obviously just does what it does

adult humans seem to fixate on conscious purpose
whereas if babies didn't babble
they would never learn to speak;
the universe and life maybe just babbling

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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: laughingdog]
    #23872894 - 11/27/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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“The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”

Richard Dawkins




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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23873528 - 11/27/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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1.  Man lost his fur to keep his brain from overheating.  The need to keep a cool head is what made us the naked ape.  We do not know for sure why we lost our primate strength, but it is theorized that since the human brain has much higher energy requirements, our muscles had to lose out in our development.

2.  As the poster above said, humans evolved in a more or less equatorial/tropical environment.  The temperature was in an ideal range all year long.  Northern tribes in Europe, for example, developed a cultural evolution in habitat technology to remain alive in colder climes after migrating there for whatever reason.

3.  Man in his natural state does not cultivate food or engage in farming of any kind.  When agriculture appeared in the Fertile Crescent ~10,000 ya, it was a cultural change, not a biological one.  We do not know why agriculture formed in the way that it did, because it is a much more difficult way to make a living than foraging.  Some think it was population pressure, some think it was an ideological revolution -- we simply don't know.  But ultimately the answer to your question is that we engage in it, in part, because we are the only species with the brains and the opposable thumbs to do so.  How it began remains a mystery.




1.  That is a counter-intuitive explanation considering the place where the brain is located contains the most hair.

2.  People living in a tropical climate still require shelter from the elements and animals eating you in your sleep.

3.  :shrug:



One thing I don't understand about random-mutation driving evolution: At some point, the species will have to contain a different number of chromosomes than its parent. 

Based on what we see today, two species with different chromosomes tend to have sterile offspring or none at all.

We also can see that if a species drops below a certain population, it goes extinct.

In order for a species to change to a new species, the mutation would have to occur in a large number of the prior species in order to ensure survival of the new species.  This seems counter-intuitive towards randomness.

Also, the odds of a random mutation being beneficial rather than something benign or cancerous seems pretty low.  Based on the vast variety of species and the amount of time it takes for one species to transform to a similar species with slightly different beak sizes makes one wonder if there is enough time for evolution to occur randomly, unless it is a process that slows down.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23873549 - 11/27/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Two different species don't reproduce because they usually can't although there are some exceptions. 

Certain mutations can have an accumulative effect on other mutations e.g. one mutation could activate another dormant mutation.

Over many generations dormant mutations can accumulate until a new one comes along that can activate new genes to form a new species.

Normally a mutation is rather minute and consists of a small change such as thicker hair, longer nails, larger nostrils etc.

Evolution is a slow process that takes millions of years and thousands of generations.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23873573 - 11/27/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe what's selected for does not complexify randomly, or complexifies in a process not directly related to selection.

Check out this Scientific American article:

Quote:

The Surprising Origins of Evolutionary Complexity:  Scientists are exploring how organisms can evolve elaborate structures without Darwinian selection

In Brief:


    Conventional wisdom holds that complex structures evolve from simpler ones, step-by-step, through a gradual evolutionary process, with Darwinian selection favoring intermediate forms along the way.
    But recently some scholars have proposed that complexity can arise by other means—as a side effect, for instance—even without natural selection to promote it.
    Studies suggest that random mutations that individually have no effect on an organism can fuel the emergence of complexity in a process known as constructive neutral evolution.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-surprising-origins-of-evolutionary-complexity/




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