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Pastywhyte
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: MudaFuka]
#23964447 - 12/29/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Calgary doesn't get real winters.
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Dabrit



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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: MudaFuka]
#23964948 - 12/29/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Calgary doesn't get real winters.
They are not as bad as they used to be global warming for sure is a factor as I noticed the duration of cold snaps decreasing through the years. However I remember one winter it got down to -45 without the windchill if that's not a real winter I would hate to think what is...Perhaps just being dipped in liquid nitrogen!?!
Chinooks do help in Calgary though
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Dabrit]
#23964968 - 12/29/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I lived in Calgary about 10 years ago. They get a few cold snaps here and there but they never last more than a few weeks. I live in Manitoba now and used to work 6 hours north of Edmonton. I'm used to seeing temps like that last for months. Moste winters I'd give my left nut to live out west.
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Dabrit



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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: MudaFuka]
#23965438 - 12/29/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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MudaFuka said: I lived in Calgary about 10 years ago. They get a few cold snaps here and there but they never last more than a few weeks. I live in Manitoba now and used to work 6 hours north of Edmonton. I'm used to seeing temps like that last for months. Moste winters I'd give my left nut to live out west.
Yeah it can be brutal up there.
Still compared to where I live now Calgary is a frozen tundra. It's also a head fuck due to the chinooks you'll start thinking winter is ending when you get a week of plus 10...then a week later -30 and your car won't start....FUCK
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Dabrit] 1
#23965454 - 12/29/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dabrit said:
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MudaFuka said: I lived in Calgary about 10 years ago. They get a few cold snaps here and there but they never last more than a few weeks. I live in Manitoba now and used to work 6 hours north of Edmonton. I'm used to seeing temps like that last for months. Moste winters I'd give my left nut to live out west.
Yeah it can be brutal up there.
Still compared to where I live now Calgary is a frozen tundra. It's also a head fuck due to the chinooks you'll start thinking winter is ending when you get a week of plus 10...then a week later -30 and your car won't start....FUCK
Damnnn. Humbles me that I live in sunny FL where it's like 70 rn 
I'll be moving to the NW in about a year tho!
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OldNuts
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23967561 - 12/30/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Frank ran a set and forget setup with really tight poly making a fan important. He also had a more reasonable RH in his house than I do in mine. We all need to dial in differently depending on our specific location and how much time we can devote to our grows. What works great for one person will be an utter disaster for someone else. That's why we stress reading a substrate to see what it needs rather than try to use one size fits all approaches. If I run a fan it dries my whole tub out.
I think this hits the nail on the head. May only be my first grow, but, my house is very air tight, the room the tub was in gets almost 0 circulation even with the door open.
I also live in a very, very cold and very dry environment. So, I think I need to loosen up the poly greatly (as I slowly dialed it in during the 2nd half of the 1st flush coming in) and mist a couple times a day to make up for evaporation (which is what I'm doing as of yesterday and I'm already seeing some rapid expansion of the mycelium and some pins forming).
My next grow, I'll likely not pack the poly as tight as I did this time around and see how it goes, I'll have a fan ready just in case. I thought initially my substrate being too wet may have been part of the issue but in hindsight my theory now is if I do it up the same way but have more airflow and just monitor how moist the sub is, I can get better results.
So, a lesson for me. People argue about "the best way", the problem is, as you've stated, we all are in different climates/environments. The variables that we deal with will change how we approach our grow.. In a lot of those discussions, all sides of the argument are probably correct.
Frank's set and forget, just won't work for me to get the best results I think so now it's time for a little trial and error. Gave me a great starting place though!
I got a decent flush, 2nd one seems to be coming along, I'll use that for my foundation and tweak a few things and see how the next one comes along.
Again, appreciate the passion you all have and the input you give. I may be an old fucker but I've embraced the internet fully since the early 90's and this, on the whole, is a damn fine group.
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: MudaFuka]
#23967577 - 12/30/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Sometimes fuzzy feet are just fuzzy feet. With short fat fruits like those I don't think FAE is an issue. When you do use a fan. Be sure to point it away from your grow. You just want to create air movement in the room.
True. And they still tasted good. Just want to maximize potential.
I think FAE was a problem at the start - it spent 5 days in a closet and barely had pins. If I had been running a fan (pointed at the wall as you've mentioned), I'm betting I'd have more explosive growth. Or looser poly in the room it went into after those 5 days.
But that's my newbie outlook, trying it will be what tells me if I'm right or wrong on that theory.
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: OldNuts]
#23967634 - 12/30/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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More FAE is always good. Give your tubs as much fresh air as possible without drying them out. I use very loose or sometimes no polly in my monos. It means I have to mist but for me the extra FAE IS worth it.
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Dabrit



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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: OldNuts]
#23967840 - 12/30/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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OldNuts said:
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Pastywhyte said: Frank ran a set and forget setup with really tight poly making a fan important. He also had a more reasonable RH in his house than I do in mine. We all need to dial in differently depending on our specific location and how much time we can devote to our grows. What works great for one person will be an utter disaster for someone else. That's why we stress reading a substrate to see what it needs rather than try to use one size fits all approaches. If I run a fan it dries my whole tub out.
I think this hits the nail on the head. May only be my first grow, but, my house is very air tight, the room the tub was in gets almost 0 circulation even with the door open.
I also live in a very, very cold and very dry environment. So, I think I need to loosen up the poly greatly (as I slowly dialed it in during the 2nd half of the 1st flush coming in) and mist a couple times a day to make up for evaporation (which is what I'm doing as of yesterday and I'm already seeing some rapid expansion of the mycelium and some pins forming).
My next grow, I'll likely not pack the poly as tight as I did this time around and see how it goes, I'll have a fan ready just in case. I thought initially my substrate being too wet may have been part of the issue but in hindsight my theory now is if I do it up the same way but have more airflow and just monitor how moist the sub is, I can get better results.
So, a lesson for me. People argue about "the best way", the problem is, as you've stated, we all are in different climates/environments. The variables that we deal with will change how we approach our grow.. In a lot of those discussions, all sides of the argument are probably correct.
Frank's set and forget, just won't work for me to get the best results I think so now it's time for a little trial and error. Gave me a great starting place though!
I got a decent flush, 2nd one seems to be coming along, I'll use that for my foundation and tweak a few things and see how the next one comes along.
Again, appreciate the passion you all have and the input you give. I may be an old fucker but I've embraced the internet fully since the early 90's and this, on the whole, is a damn fine group. 
I'm sure Pasty will come in here and comment pretty soon and he's the guy you should really trust on this. However if your grow room has zero air flow and you have an " airtight" house then FAE is gonna be an issue even though you live in a dry climate I'd still recommend using a fan to help increase your FAE. If you do this still keep your bottom holes stuffed tight and have loose poly in the top two holes. This way the tub retains moisture at the surface level of the substrate while still allowing decent FAE to come through the upper holes. I wouldn't recommend loosening up all the poly and using a fan however as this will for sure dry out the substrate.
If you do introduce a fan maybe just have it on low and a fair ways away from the tub pointed at the same wall it's up against but not at the tub, or maybe just pointed into the corner of the room away from the tub. Especially if the room your growing it in has a number of obstacles obstructing airflow such as pieces of furniture etc. With B+ its very common to get large tall fruits which can touch the lid of your mono if dialed in right.
Genetics do vary from variety to variety but if you read the description of B+ on the various vendor sponsor sites they usually describe it as a large fruiter with Stipes averaging between 15-20cm long and caps between 2.5cm to 7.5cm. I'm betting if you get more air into the equation you're gonna start getting larger sized fruits and somewhere between 6-8oz on First Flush and second flush typically has even larger sized fruits.
If you're still concerned about the substrate drying out you could always just pull out one piece of the tight stuffed poly in one of the bottom holes once in a while and then use a spray bottle to mist through the hole onto the surface level of the substrate to help retain humidity(Obviously stuff the poly nice and tight once done spraying)
This way you don't have to open up the top lid risking losing an unnecessary amount of humidity.
My two cents for what it's worth.
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Dabrit]
#23967860 - 12/30/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The tub is designed to circulate air on its own. If your tub is dialed in properly it shouldn't matter if you have a fan in a room wit little to no air circulation.
I keep my tubs in a small room with the door closed and the only time I'm in there is to make transfers or check on the growth once in a while
Although like that MudaFuka said! More FAE the better so a fan can be good, but you have to make sure your mono is dialed in for a fan! Or you're compensating by misting more often
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Dabrit



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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: ComebackKid]
#23967876 - 12/30/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ComebackKid said: The tub is designed to circulate air on its own. If your tub is dialed in properly it shouldn't matter if you have a fan in a room wit little to no air circulation.
I keep my tubs in a room with the door closed and the only time I'm in there is to make transfers or check on the growth once in a while
So you're saying you don't use a fan ever either? I guess another factor would be if you have furnaced heating or not. If you do you obviously have a vent somewhere pumping warm fresh air into the room somewhere where as if you live in an old ghetto house like mine I just have an electric radiator which pumps zero air. And having a window open in the winter time is obviously gonna lead to less than ideal grow temps.
I dunno, I'm now wondering whereabouts Frank was located and what sort of climate. Cause I followed his tek to the T and my monotub was a prolific fruiter using a fan like he recommended. Maybe good genetics, maybe just good luck.
I'm just kinda curious though as to how using a fan would be a detriment in a room which has zero airflow? I get that he lives in a dry climate but stuffing the poly tighter in the bottom holes would help stop the substrate from drying out no?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Dabrit] 1
#23967926 - 12/30/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Comeback nailed it. The tub cycles the air on its own via the heat generated by the sub. Insanemike did some tests a year or so ago and the heat generated by a simple coir verm sub is enormous. Even more is generated with things like straw or manure in the mix. Only time I would run a fan is if I was doing a closet grow and I had the poly dialed in super tight. Even then the risk of drying is big.
I always dial holes in less if I want more FAE and a casing can really help if you live in a dry climate. One thing to note is that the more O2 you have in the tub, the more heat is generated due to increased metabolic action. With azurs fruit and case at spawning I often found the condensation got out of hand even if the casing got overrun.
There is no one way to do it. Best thing to do is keep your conditions in mind and respond to what the sub wants. Give the organisim what it needs, not what you think it should have.
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23967962 - 12/30/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Comeback nailed it. The tub cycles the air on its own via the heat generated by the sub. Insanemike did some tests a year or so ago and the heat generated by a simple coir verm sub is enormous. Even more is generated with things like straw or manure in the mix. Only time I would run a fan is if I was doing a closet grow and I had the poly dialed in super tight. Even then the risk of drying is big.
I always dial holes in less if I want more FAE and a casing can really help if you live in a dry climate. One thing to note is that the more O2 you have in the tub, the more heat is generated due to increased metabolic action. With azurs fruit and case at spawning I often found the condensation got out of hand even if the casing got overrun.
There is no one way to do it. Best thing to do is keep your conditions in mind and respond to what the sub wants. Give the organisim what it needs, not what you think it should have.
Today something new was learnt.
Today was a good day....

Sometimes.....
Thanks Pasty.
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Dabrit] 1
#23968048 - 12/30/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Another knowledge bomb dropped on us by the fungi sensai...
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OldNuts
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23968298 - 12/30/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Comeback nailed it. The tub cycles the air on its own via the heat generated by the sub. Insanemike did some tests a year or so ago and the heat generated by a simple coir verm sub is enormous. Even more is generated with things like straw or manure in the mix. Only time I would run a fan is if I was doing a closet grow and I had the poly dialed in super tight. Even then the risk of drying is big.
I always dial holes in less if I want more FAE and a casing can really help if you live in a dry climate. One thing to note is that the more O2 you have in the tub, the more heat is generated due to increased metabolic action. With azurs fruit and case at spawning I often found the condensation got out of hand even if the casing got overrun.
There is no one way to do it. Best thing to do is keep your conditions in mind and respond to what the sub wants. Give the organisim what it needs, not what you think it should have.
Will keep all this in mind as I try to dial in my process. Thanks Pasty <3
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OldNuts
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: OldNuts]
#24077368 - 02/09/17 12:49 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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OldNuts said: Will keep all this in mind as I try to dial in my process. Thanks pasty <3
Don't know what happened.. Probably newb errors from the start, but no 2nd flush. Had a couple stragglers (after adjusting for more FAE the stragglers were larger in size, just less than half a dozen maybe?), but that was it.
Tub was recycled and I've got agar going for the next round. Will call this one closed and will update with a new thread for my next go around.
I appreciate everyones help, here's to the next and more bountiful harvest.
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: OldNuts]
#24179571 - 03/21/17 06:30 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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What size tub did you use?
Id be interested to see a second attempt from you.
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