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First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub (progress updates with pictures)
    #23871749 - 11/27/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hi all,

New to cultivation, did my research, used the search function and mapped out what I was going to do and got on it.

Used Pastywhyte's Pasty Plate Tek and used a B+ print with the TigerDrop 1.0 tek.. (I missed the fact there was the 2.0/TicTacToe drop) using a SAB made with the help of SpitBallJedi's SAB guide into jars that I prepped Rye Berries with SpitBallJedi's Rye Berry Prep guide.

I have a monotub ready to go (SpitBallJedi again), I plan on prepping bulk spawn using FrankHorrigan's bulk spawn guide here "soon".

Things seemed to have gone smoothly, I did make some newb mistakes along the way:
  • I either did not pour enough agar in my plates and/or my platform in the PC wasn't level enough (I'm thinking this is really the case) causing the agar to pool on one side of the rounds causing for uneven growth.
  • I think my agar had too much nutrients (Karo) in them.  From what I could find in the search function, grainy looking agar/agar with too much nutrients can slow initial growth and make your mycelium "fuzzy" looking, which mine was both slow and fuzzy, I was worried I had a contaminate but it appears fine.


  • Multiple inoculation points on the plates themselves which caused multiple points of growth (no pictures of this step) which if I had been isolating would have made it difficult to get clean cuts.
  • Did not isolate from the plates and transplants on new plates to get the best growth possible.  I've got supplies coming to start a new batch of agar and do this again for the next batch.
  • Due to uneven plates I did not get maximum growth per round on the agar (since agar surface area was around half the size of the round), so after weighing the risks I decided to use two rounds per jar of rye berries when I did the Tiger Drop.


I did make a "control" Pasty Plate as well as a "control" rye berry jar just to make sure my sterilization technique was good.. Both have no signs of any growth as of today.

All that said, as far as I can tell my rye berry jars are coming along fine, in fact, one of them I feel may be getting close to spawn ready status but I wanted some input, I feel the others are only a day or two behind.

My initial growth on the agar was slow, very slow.  Once I transferred to the jars I shook hard to break the agar up and there was a few days of no activity and within a week it was going nuts.  One jar (#6) was ready for a shake (maybe 25-30%), I shook it good and hard and it only took a day, maybe two, to bounce back and growth went crazy after that.

The other 5 jars were just a day or two behind, I've since shook them and they too bounced back after about a day and are coming along nicely (they are obviously not ready for spawn).

Any time estimates or other critiquing is appreciated.  I'm a retired old fucker, so I've got plenty of time to use to get it right.

Example Pasty Plate:


Plates ready for PC:


RB Jars after PC:


Jars after Tiger Drop 1.0:


Jar #6:


Example of Jars 1-5:


Thanks.


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub (criticism/time estimate on jars requested) [Re: OldNuts]
    #23871787 - 11/27/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey man congrats, You're doing an excellent job!! The members here will appreciate and respect that you did your research before coming here to ask questions about easily answerable stuff!

Youe spawn looks great man, congratulations!! Keep up the good work you retired old fucker! I'm so jealous lol....:jah:


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub (criticism/time estimate on jars requested) [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23871855 - 11/27/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks!  I can't lie, it's nice to be able to work on whatever projects I want to.  Appreciate the words of encouragement, it's been fun!

Shroomery is a fantastic resource.  I can understand some peoples issues with the search function but once you get used to it, it's easy to filter out (usually) what you're not looking for.  I lurked for quite awhile before I decided to take this on, love the personality here.

Not sure how much you've done RB/WBS bulk, but, any idea on how far off is #6 from being ready to spawn?  I can use estimates on this, then use that to figure out how far 1-5 still have to go.

Based on other photos I've seen through the forums and the jars growth the last few days, I think it's only a couple days out at most.  I may have to throw it in the fridge so the others can catch up.


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub (criticism/time estimate on jars requested) [Re: OldNuts]
    #23871873 - 11/27/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would consider jar 6 fully colonized....But you dont have to refrigerate it just leave it be while the others catch up! It will just continue to colonize and consolidate the grain. There is no real rush to spawn once you have clean spawn(unless your personally in a rush). Once all your jars are finished you can prep your sub. Or you can spawn the first jar to a mini mono and watch that and learn while the rest of your jars catch up!


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub (criticism/time estimate on jars requested) [Re: OldNuts]
    #23871875 - 11/27/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

First off, great first post! Probably the best one I've seen in the three years I've been in the community.

Secondly, is no one else worried about the black spots on those jars? From what I can see, they are either burned grains, a trick of the light caused by the photo, or (hopefully not) black mould. I've had black mould before on jars a few times and it started out looking just like that, with small black spots tucked just behind or in between grains.

Anyone else care to chime in? Hopefully. Just seeing things.

In response to your question, assuming that Jar #6 is contam-free, I would say it's ready in about two days.


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub (criticism/time estimate on jars requested) [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23871881 - 11/27/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Peteyboy said:
There is no real rush to spawn once you have clean spawn(unless your personally in a rush).




This. I have left jars fully colonized for up to two weeks before breaking them up and spawning them to bulk, due to a lack of time and/or space. Once they're good to go, there's no rush to spawn to bulk immediately.


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub (criticism/time estimate on jars requested) [Re: benis12]
    #23871886 - 11/27/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think those black specks are shadows cast by the lighting overhead.

There is a thread in mush cult right now where a guy left his jars for months and they still look A OK!

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23871708


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23871896 - 11/27/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Peteyboy said:
I would consider jar 6 fully colonized....But you dont have to refrigerate it just leave it be while the others catch up! It will just continue to colonize and consolidate the grain. There is no real rush to spawn once you have clean spawn(unless your personally in a rush). Once all your jars are finished you can prep your sub. Or you can spawn the first jar to a mini mono and watch that and learn while the rest of your jars catch up!




Got it!  For now I'll plan on just letting it be while the others catch up and throw them all into the mono at once.  I'll be starting another batch of Pasty Plates next week likely and will be more cautious with my agar recipe and do some isolation transfers to see if it ups the game any.

I have a feeling the tub will grow quick, if the jars are any indication.

Thanks for the insight!


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23871922 - 11/27/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

benis12 said:
Secondly, is no one else worried about the black spots on those jars? From what I can see, they are either burned grains, a trick of the light caused by the photo, or (hopefully not) black mould. I've had black mould before on jars a few times and it started out looking just like that, with small black spots tucked just behind or in between grains.





Quote:

Peteyboy said:
I think those black specks are shadows cast by the lighting overhead.





Those black specks are the grains (they're actually a combo of black/normal RB color splotches), they started out that color out of the package, even before PC.  I didn't pick them out (only the floaters when I was rinsing) as it seemed like they were thoroughly interspersed with the other berries, just not a whole lot of them.

btw, thanks for the input on #6, benis, (and the compliment on my post).


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: OldNuts]
    #23871949 - 11/27/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I soak my grains in coffee, It probaby ends up at like a 1/2 to 2/3 strength coffee. I just brew a pot of coffee add that then run two more cycles with same ground coffee and its gets progressively clearer by the third pot. But it usually makes my grains really dark, and I always have black grains everytime. I wouldnt sweat it brotha!


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23872068 - 11/27/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Looks good so far :thumbup:

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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23872139 - 11/27/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Looks good so far :thumbup:

:popcorn:




And now you know without a doubt! :jah:


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23872297 - 11/27/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Pastywhyte said:
Looks good so far :thumbup:

:popcorn:




Quote:

Peteyboy said:

And now you know without a doubt! :jah:




When the legend themself stops in and says it's going alright, I guess I can breath easy :wink:

Thanks Pasty, always have appreciated the info you give to the teaming hordes.  I'll use this as my log and will update once there's something to update about.  If all goes as I expect it to based on the current rate, next weekend I'll throw it into the tub, maybe see fruits by Christmas.  :sporedrop:


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: OldNuts]
    #23872304 - 11/27/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup: off to a good start.


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: MudaFuka]
    #23911777 - 12/09/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Alright, a bit late updating and still need to upload the pictures but here's where I'm at:

On Sunday (the 4th) I spawned to the pasteurized coir/verm as planned and I think I did great.

Opened each jar and smelled, very-very strong mushroom smell, like eating a fresh dried one but in smell only.  No off smells on any of the jars.
Really made my mouth water and made me anticipate harvest time.

Followed the tek exactly, had no problems.  Shook the jars to break them up and then soaked for about 20 minutes, drained, layered with the substrate, mixed well.. then evened it out.  Holes are taped on the monotub, have a 7000k adjustable light set at 6500k for 12/12.

It's now day 5 and there's mycelium growth completely covering the damn thing with moisture beading up a little on the sides of the monotub.
It's in a room that ranges from 68 to 72'ish degrees.

How "dangerous" is it to open the lid to snap a picture?

I've read differing opinions in it.  I'm confident my process is on point, but, I do have a few animals in the house and that causes me concern (although reading RR's work, it appears that doesn't matter).

I'm guessing I'll be ready to fruit in a little over a week.  Pictures may help some of you pro's give me a better estimate, I'll try to get those tomorrow - easier if I can pull off the lid, but didn't want to mess with it without expert opinion. 

What concerns me is, lets say I was to not be around when it's ready to swap into fruiting conditions - will it be "ok" to delay adjusting the monotub to fruiting conditions by about 3-4 days?

And that's that, I'll post pictures tomorrow and I'll go from there.  Will probably prep a new batch of agar while I'm at it.

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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: OldNuts]
    #23911796 - 12/09/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Your ready to fruit now.
Zero danger opening the lid to take pics.
I would personally wait two more days to fruit just cause 7 is my lucky number and there's no harm in waiting. (There's also no harm in fruiting)
Sounds like your tub is on track brotha now let's see some fuckin pics!!
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23911800 - 12/09/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Your ready to fruit now.
Zero danger opening the lid to take pics.
I would personally wait two more days to fruit just cause 7 is my lucky number and there's no harm in waiting. (There's also no harm in fruiting)
Sounds like your tub is on track brotha now let's see some fuckin pics!!
:popcorn:




Thanks.. shit, I may upload them tonight.. I'm just tired and got this bottle of 21yo scotch I'm working on. :smile:

I know it differs from tub to tub, to environment to environment and strain to strain, but how long does it take to go from setting to fruiting conditions to the first flush?


Appreciate the input!


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: OldNuts]
    #23911826 - 12/09/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ah fuck it, here we go.

Spawn before throwing in the tub:



Spawn during my soak:



After my mix:



Tub ready to go:



Shitty picture of the tub with the light on as of 12-06-2016 (two days after setting up the tub):




I'll snap a pic with the lid off tonight to get ya'lls expert opinion.
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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: OldNuts]
    #23911844 - 12/09/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say 5 days is pretty on track when you got clean spawn. Strain to strain usually doesn't make much of a difference.
I've had tubs fruit 3 days after introducing fruiting and my last tubs took a full week.
But your colonization by the sounds of it is healthy. Sounds like a promising tub!
Those pics look good too!


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Re: First Grow - B+ Pasty Plates > Rye Berries > Monotub [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23911943 - 12/10/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Popped the lid, maybe didn't colonize as much as it looked through the tub sides.

Thoughts?





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