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DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought...
#23871477 - 11/27/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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OMG....I smoked roughly 1\10 of a gram.....I was telling myself "just let go!" Over and over.... I got to a place that was vibrating so intensely and it appeared as though endless buzzing coils of color changing electricity we're all around me. After what must have been two to three minutes of trying to let go but not entering the porthole I eventually was just like make it stop! In my brain I locked on that fact and I began to just wait it out.... I'm not sure if I've ever felt so awful and regretful...
The whole room was rolling through color bars and there was a click clack sound each time the colors changed and it was so f****** pronounced. It was a real circus or Carnival like atmosphere with strobe light kind of feel and just a maniacal clown like craziness... at about 10 minutes it got to the point where the awfulness or off a little bit and I could talk with my friend and the visuals were still pretty crazy. There was a photograph of a waterfall in the woods on the TV and I just couldn't believe how Wild it looked like all the detail was there too but every little piece was some crazed out color like bright orange or red or white or cream.... I wish I could get into that state of visuals but avoid the sledgehammer to my headspace....
The headspace was awful!
... my friend did a similar size dose and at first felt all the awful feelings and just wanted it to stop but then tried going in again at about 5 to 6 minutes and actually had a breakthrough and danced with entities. He said it was amazing but he's not sure if he wants to go through the up-front part again...
Maybe I'm a pussy....but that shit really got to me...
I'm thinking maybe smoke one or two small doses at the end of Peaking on a mushroom or acid trip but I don't know if I can do the full blast off again it just rocked me to my soul.
I would love to get some of those visuals I experienced at the end but m awestruck and fearful of that headspace....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000] 5
#23871493 - 11/27/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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DMT isn't about "getting some rad visuals" or "dancing with entities" Sounds like you are using it in an egotistical and frivolous way, makes sense that it is fucking with you.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: xzylocybin] 2
#23871532 - 11/27/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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xzylocybin said: DMT isn't about "getting some rad visuals" or "dancing with entities" Sounds like you are using it in an egotistical and frivolous way, makes sense that it is fucking with you.
...thanks for the feedback ASSHOLE!....
....also, Fuck You...
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: xzylocybin]
#23871547 - 11/27/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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in my experience, you are better creeping the dose up. this is sort of why I am trying to get it into a vape pen of sorts. It would make life easy for me. I could get consistent hits and dosages each time. maybe dose it at 10mg per hit etc. Start low. then add 5mg per experience until you hit breakthrough. I even waited a week between dmt sessions just to integrate. take it ez. take your time. theres no rush
Also; at least for me, taking xanax, GHB or alcohol (never all at once) helped me ease into the experience. some people are against that. but if I got the pre flight jitters, then getting G'ed out helped a lot. I have heard mdma has a positive effect in that regard
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: topdog82]
#23871555 - 11/27/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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also; somewhat relevant to you. make you are in a place in your life where you have time to reflect. I am super stressed and bouncing from activity to activity at the moment. as such, taking psyches is not an option. Psyches are about sitting back and reflecting. asking questions that may not even yield answers etc.
make sure you are in the relaxed mindset going in. yoga and meditation helped me a lot in that regard. but even then, with daily yoga and meditation, I am on the job hunt and working my ass off. I am also in school. So now is not the time to toy with em
my 2 cents
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: topdog82]
#23871582 - 11/27/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: also; somewhat relevant to you. make you are in a place in your life where you have time to reflect. I am super stressed and bouncing from activity to activity at the moment. as such, taking psyches is not an option. Psyches are about sitting back and reflecting. asking questions that may not even yield answers etc.
make sure you are in the relaxed mindset going in. yoga and meditation helped me a lot in that regard. but even then, with daily yoga and meditation, I am on the job hunt and working my ass off. I am also in school. So now is not the time to toy with em
my 2 cents
Thanks Bro.... I have been pretty busy running my business and such but I seem to find time to trip every two weeks on mushrooms and acid. Always having a good time and valuable experiences. I thought it was all hardcore about the DMT experience but maybe I'm just good with mushrooms and acid....IDK?
... the only thing that compares is when I smoked a half gram of 80x salvia
I didn't experience the awful physical Sensation that I got on salvia but this almost seemed more intense overall....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: topdog82]
#23871593 - 11/27/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: in my experience, you are better creeping the dose up. this is sort of why I am trying to get it into a vape pen of sorts. It would make life easy for me. I could get consistent hits and dosages each time. maybe dose it at 10mg per hit etc. Start low. then add 5mg per experience until you hit breakthrough. I even waited a week between dmt sessions just to integrate. take it ez. take your time. theres no rush
Also; at least for me, taking xanax, GHB or alcohol (never all at once) helped me ease into the experience. some people are against that. but if I got the pre flight jitters, then getting G'ed out helped a lot. I have heard mdma has a positive effect in that regard
i usually have a couple beers beforehand, which really helps ease into it
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: crackbaby]
#23871602 - 11/27/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: in my experience, you are better creeping the dose up. this is sort of why I am trying to get it into a vape pen of sorts. It would make life easy for me. I could get consistent hits and dosages each time. maybe dose it at 10mg per hit etc. Start low. then add 5mg per experience until you hit breakthrough. I even waited a week between dmt sessions just to integrate. take it ez. take your time. theres no rush
Also; at least for me, taking xanax, GHB or alcohol (never all at once) helped me ease into the experience. some people are against that. but if I got the pre flight jitters, then getting G'ed out helped a lot. I have heard mdma has a positive effect in that regard
i usually have a couple beers beforehand, which really helps ease into it
Will keep it in mind....omg! Luv your avatar! Lmfao!.. I saw that a couple years back and thought it was so f****** great!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23871789 - 11/27/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im getting a gram of some dream sand(white) dmt fairly soon. Hope to finally breakthrough, ive hit a threshold a few times, but never what a full breakthrough would be.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: LSDollar] 2
#23871809 - 11/27/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Respect DMT. It has very much to teach you but it will scare you away if you are not in the right mindset.
Be festive but solemn.
This is THE most widespread Entheogen, present in all lifeforms that decarboxylate and methylate.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: LSDollar]
#23871822 - 11/27/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you had a crazy experience because you did an insane dose, my friend! Hahaha. 100mg is A LOT to do in one sitting. Some people even think 50mg is too much. I'd get a milligram scale (if you don't already have one) to start out with 20mg, then increasing the dose by 10mg till you hit 50mg or your desired dose.
Don't give up on dmt just yet. It can be pretty wild, but not too much at the lower doses. Good luck!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Asante]
#23871925 - 11/27/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: Respect DMT. It has very much to teach you but it will scare you away if you are not in the right mindset.
Be festive but solemn.
This is THE most widespread Entheogen, present in all lifeforms that decarboxylate and methylate.
Blessings..... that video is hilarious
The Idea of going through that again without breakthrough is daunting to say the least
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Kinshino]
#23871937 - 11/27/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kinshino said: I think you had a crazy experience because you did an insane dose, my friend! Hahaha. 100mg is A LOT to do in one sitting. Some people even think 50mg is too much. I'd get a milligram scale (if you don't already have one) to start out with 20mg, then increasing the dose by 10mg till you hit 50mg or your desired dose.
Don't give up on dmt just yet. It can be pretty wild, but not too much at the lower doses. Good luck! 
WORD.....
I actually worked up a little...
1st dose... it was a very small amount on the end of a butter knife and basically didn't hardly do anything I felt a little tingle but more like I'm just really stoned and no apparent visuals whatsoever..
2nd dose.... this one I could definitely feel it like a buzzing in my brain and the visuals were like a tight grid of lines but I definitely had the feeling that I needed significantly more to really blast off.
3rd dose... after my buddy apparently saw and 2ds on his dose I kind of went for it because I really wanted to get the full experience... I have no idea how much I actually use I'm just basing it on how much is left in the bag..
Is it possible to access the lower levels and not get the complete Sledgehammer in the face because that shit was totally f****** up. Or do I have to ride the wave over the top and then catch that more pronounce stuff on the downswing?
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23871943 - 11/27/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It made my high dose acid and mushrooms trips seem like child's play....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23872167 - 11/27/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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voodoochild1000 said: It made my high dose acid and mushrooms trips seem like child's play....
Child's play[flash=425,344]http:///flash]
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: topdog82]
#23872186 - 11/27/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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voodoochild1000 said: It made my high dose acid and mushrooms trips seem like child's play....
Child's play[flash=425,344]http:///flash]
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23872193 - 11/27/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23872367 - 11/27/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't seem to have an enjoyable experience on it yet either, but that doesn't mean it's not teaching me - oral DMT I can do anyday, smoked not so much. Even at 5mg, as soon as I blow it out I basically get a feeling of trapped energy in my body, a feeling of not being able to escape, a sense of being heated up from the inside out and stuck in a state of anxiety, I've also had the same experience on 40mg except every cell in my body evaporated and I disintigrated into the bleakness of hell. I've also had neutral experiences, but don't really get anything out of it. 50% of the time they are unenjoyable. I don't think I'll be able to "let go" from a sober mindstate, it's kind of hard to let go when you're shot in the head and the heart. Instead I would rather be slowly brought to my death, it's more enjoyable in my experience
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23872390 - 11/27/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: I can't seem to have an enjoyable experience on it yet either, but that doesn't mean it's not teaching me - oral DMT I can do anyday, smoked not so much. Even at 5mg, as soon as I blow it out I basically get a feeling of trapped energy in my body, a feeling of not being able to escape, a sense of being heated up from the inside out and stuck in a state of anxiety, I've also had the same experience on 40mg except every cell in my body evaporated and I disintigrated into the bleakness of hell. I've also had neutral experiences, but don't really get anything out of it. 50% of the time they are unenjoyable. I don't think I'll be able to "let go" from a sober mindstate, it's kind of hard to let go when you're shot in the head and the heart. Instead I would rather be slowly brought to my death, it's more enjoyable in my experience 
maybe the harmalas just did wonders for you? try oral harmalas and vaped D
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: topdog82]
#23872765 - 11/27/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you sure you vaporized it cprrectly?
I've been doing dmt on my domeless titanium and a few times I got sub breakthrough experiences like you explained where I tripped for 3 minutes and then felt trapped and uncomfortable for the rest of the duration.
A full breakthrough you wouldn't even be an "I" to process what goes down, hell I can barely remember my breakthroughs, just pieces.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: xzylocybin] 1
#23873056 - 11/27/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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xzylocybin said: DMT isn't about "getting some rad visuals" or "dancing with entities" Sounds like you are using it in an egotistical and frivolous way, makes sense that it is fucking with you.
This is the truth
Use DMT alone for curiosity of the inner self.
Go dance on MDMA
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23873220 - 11/27/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: I can't seem to have an enjoyable experience on it yet either, but that doesn't mean it's not teaching me - oral DMT I can do anyday, smoked not so much. Even at 5mg, as soon as I blow it out I basically get a feeling of trapped energy in my body, a feeling of not being able to escape, a sense of being heated up from the inside out and stuck in a state of anxiety, I've also had the same experience on 40mg except every cell in my body evaporated and I disintigrated into the bleakness of hell. I've also had neutral experiences, but don't really get anything out of it. 50% of the time they are unenjoyable. I don't think I'll be able to "let go" from a sober mindstate, it's kind of hard to let go when you're shot in the head and the heart. Instead I would rather be slowly brought to my death, it's more enjoyable in my experience 
..omg....so much anxiety! I kept waiting to breakthough...let go let go let go.....just fucked... ...it was too much to bear.....uuuughhhh... ....then it changed to survive survive survive....so glad to know my bro was there....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: impaired420]
#23873232 - 11/27/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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impaired420 said: Are you sure you vaporized it cprrectly?
I've been doing dmt on my domeless titanium and a few times I got sub breakthrough experiences like you explained where I tripped for 3 minutes and then felt trapped and uncomfortable for the rest of the duration.
A full breakthrough you wouldn't even be an "I" to process what goes down, hell I can barely remember my breakthroughs, just pieces.
....I smoked it on weed.......more like I was out for 4 or 5 min...then came back and was fucked for another 5 min of oev....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23873242 - 11/27/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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xzylocybin said: DMT isn't about "getting some rad visuals" or "dancing with entities" Sounds like you are using it in an egotistical and frivolous way, makes sense that it is fucking with you.
This is the truth
Use DMT alone for curiosity of the inner self.
Go dance on MDMA 
I agree.... but I don't think I'm being egotistical or frivolous.... that's some Bullshit assumption ...... I was simply stating what happened... I take things seriously and respect all substances...
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23873315 - 11/27/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think dmt is better when you break through completely compared to being half way there and then stuck in your body, IMO.
I'm sure if you try a few more times you'll get your method down pact and figure things out.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: impaired420]
#23873345 - 11/27/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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impaired420 said: I think dmt is better when you break through completely compared to being half way there and then stuck in your body, IMO.
I'm sure if you try a few more times you'll get your method down pact and figure things out.
...I hope so ....lol
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23873517 - 11/27/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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xzylocybin said: DMT isn't about "getting some rad visuals" or "dancing with entities" Sounds like you are using it in an egotistical and frivolous way, makes sense that it is fucking with you.
This is the truth
Use DMT alone for curiosity of the inner self.
Go dance on MDMA 
I agree.... but I don't think I'm being egotistical or frivolous.... that's some Bullshit assumption ...... I was simply stating what happened... I take things seriously and respect all substances...
Yeah I don't know where that guy got that assumption. Maybe he misinterpreted your approach and thought you weren't serious.
You did say you might try them on shrooms, and you should. Being on shrooms and smoking dmt is one of the best combos. Instead of just diving straight in the deep end, it's like you're in the shallow end and gently swim towards the deep. It's not as hard and confusing on the mind. I'm sure Bill_Oreilly can agree.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23873839 - 11/27/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Next time, try vaping a sub-breakthrough hit, then loading a fat hit and blasting off. The best time I had on vaped DMT was when the trip fizzled and went no where, then I put more on and that time I heard this hissing metallic voice saying the universal "YES!!!!" and a swirl of fractals like a portal opened in front of me and then I was just consumed by holy fire and gone into a maelstrom of color and shifting patterns of indescribable complexity, it was the weirdest, most disorienting feeling of otherness, nothingness and electric pleasure, I was sitting in front of a picture window looking at a nice green lawn and gradually in shades the contours of the real world came back with a crazy alternate reality super imposed. Vaped DMT is hit and miss and can really be awful when it is bad. It is kind of awful when it is good too, though, after the breakthrough my adrenaline is pumping so hard I'm shaking and can't really enjoy the nice shroom like visuals and headspace and that horrible taste in my mouth is suddenly noticeable, like I just ate burning tires. A few sips of tea helps.
Other trips that were shitty I had that weird thing where geometrical beings were attacking me and stabbing at me with weird shifts of perspective and warped space, just pure nothingness where there was nothing but an odd orange and then white glow and I completely disappeared body and soul. Every time I break through I'm like, fuck this shit I'm never doing it again. Then a few days later, I'm like, let's see if I can have a good breakthrough. After first really good breakthrough, which was about my 5th, I said I think I've had enough vaped DMT. It really is not my bag.
So I have to ask you Voodoo, you do a bunch of super high dose mushroom trips, are they not like DMT? Do you not breakthrough and lose utter touch with reality on them? I always imagined those 20+g mushroom trips to be akin to a DMT breakthrough, but it sounds like you couldn't hang with the deems.
PS, this was a pretty epic piece of music to go into cyperspace with.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
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DMT aint nothin' to fuck with!
DMT kicks everyones ass, doesnt matter how prepared u think u are, it destroys all who face it, without mercy.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
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P.Zappatecorum said: Next time, try vaping a sub-breakthrough hit, then loading a fat hit and blasting off. The best time I had on vaped DMT was when the trip fizzled and went no where, then I put more on and that time I heard this hissing metallic voice saying the universal "YES!!!!" and a swirl of fractals like a portal opened in front of me and then I was just consumed by holy fire and gone into a maelstrom of color and shifting patterns of indescribable complexity, it was the weirdest, most disorienting feeling of otherness, nothingness and electric pleasure, I was sitting in front of a picture window looking at a nice green lawn and gradually in shades the contours of the real world came back with a crazy alternate reality super imposed. Vaped DMT is hit and miss and can really be awful when it is bad. It is kind of awful when it is good too, though, after the breakthrough my adrenaline is pumping so hard I'm shaking and can't really enjoy the nice shroom like visuals and headspace and that horrible taste in my mouth is suddenly noticeable, like I just ate burning tires. A few sips of tea helps.
Other trips that were shitty I had that weird thing where geometrical beings were attacking me and stabbing at me with weird shifts of perspective and warped space, just pure nothingness where there was nothing but an odd orange and then white glow and I completely disappeared body and soul. Every time I break through I'm like, fuck this shit I'm never doing it again. Then a few days later, I'm like, let's see if I can have a good breakthrough. After first really good breakthrough, which was about my 5th, I said I think I've had enough vaped DMT. It really is not my bag.
So I have to ask you Voodoo, you do a bunch of super high dose mushroom trips, are they not like DMT? Do you not breakthrough and lose utter touch with reality on them? I always imagined those 20+g mushroom trips to be akin to a DMT breakthrough, but it sounds like you couldn't hang with the deems.
PS, this was a pretty epic piece of music to go into cyperspace with.
....No.... none of my high doses did anything like this hit of dmt...like I said "child's play". ...I mean I was super tripped out but a head space I can deal with. I would take my roughest combo (9n9) anyday!
I hate to say it.. but maybe I'm not hardwired to "let go" ...
It's hard give up your survival instinct...
My question is.... will Ayahuasca be less intense? Less anxiety?...I still really wanna try it... but have a lot of intrepidation...
I feel like DMT should be the last psychedelic to try...so it doesn't turn u off....
...anyways thanks for the feedback!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000] 1
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P. Zap...... check this out if you like keys... seriously! Do u Jan Hammer?
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said: DMT aint nothin' to fuck with!
DMT kicks everyones ass, doesnt matter how prepared u think u are, it destroys all who face it, without mercy.
Just like Wu Tang clan....
But seriously..... what the he'll is going on in my brain when it's happening?....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: impaired420]
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impaired420 said: Are you sure you vaporized it cprrectly?
I've been doing dmt on my domeless titanium and a few times I got sub breakthrough experiences like you explained where I tripped for 3 minutes and then felt trapped and uncomfortable for the rest of the duration.
A full breakthrough you wouldn't even be an "I" to process what goes down, hell I can barely remember my breakthroughs, just pieces.
I used a quartz nail. I attempted to breakthrough with 40mg, but I guess it wasn't enough. But I'm more so leaning to say I resisted too much, I think 40mg can break me through if I was able to "let go"
So I'm trying to build the courage again to go back to the breakthrough dose after hellishly and terrifyingly dying last time. Burned alive from the inside out, every cell exploded, evaporated into the nothingness of hell, hardly and visual stimulation besides a spinning mandala with eyes closed, imagine breakthrough intensity but your anxiety and fight or flight response keep you grounded, very uncomfortable. I looked up into the sky and said this is it you've killed yourself as I anxiously awaited my return, facing my own hell head on.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Eclipse3130]
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I'm not hard wired to let go either, we have too much anxiety from a sober minds tate. We would have to breakthrough on a trip already, imo. Ego death doesn't have to be like being shot in the head or heart, it's simply too intense and too fast for me to ever be able to relax into the experience therefore I'm stuck in anxiety the entire time. Smoked DMT isnt natural in the sense it wouldn't be here without humans, DMT is meant to be taken orally, as it comes in Nature in form of Mushrooms or Ayahuasca, extracting DMT and using your lungs to absorb it is a human process, not a natural process in the sense of the word you cant find NN DMT on the ground in smokable amounts you need humans to extract it, in that sense it's a human invented psychedelic but still found in Nature. Just like Hash, it would never be here without Humans. But that's where the difference lies THC is already here in smokable form, DMT is not. Maybe smoked DMT is just concentrated reality, so truthful it becomes alien and confuses. These manifestations appear in people's trips because their minds portray it through subconscious manifestation
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000] 2
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P.Zappatecorum said: So I have to ask you Voodoo, you do a bunch of super high dose mushroom trips, are they not like DMT? Do you not breakthrough and lose utter touch with reality on them? I always imagined those 20+g mushroom trips to be akin to a DMT breakthrough, but it sounds like you couldn't hang with the deems.
Yeah thats what I would have thought too. Reason I am too afraid to go higher than a certain point with shrooms is that I recognize the mushroom headspace to be essentially the DMT headspace and there is no way I'd want to end up in DMT hyperspace for 4-6 hours or more! Dont think the human mind would appreciate such insanity for such a prolonged duration either.
20 grams of shrooms would take me to hyperspace I have no doubt, but I wonder if this would be the case if I had never before broken through with DMT? Did you say you haven't yet broken through on DMT voodoo?
Just how powerful is a full on hyperspace dose of DMT in comparison to say 20 grams of shrooms? And what does '20 grams of shrooms' even mean? Too many variables really.
I have never tried '20 grams of shrooms' to compare, but I remember once thinking in hyperspace that I was seeing effects to the equivalent of a pint or more of LSD. Maybe to get to hyperspace you really do need to break some kind of metaphysical or mental equivalent of a light barrier- meaning either a huge amount of shrooms, or moderate amount of DMT to get there.
It's possible though that at long last Voodoo has just had a bad experience and to be honest the description doesn’t sound like a DMT breakthrough. Bad trips happen without even taking psychedelics and are basically just days that suck ass! No matter how much one usually takes you could have a bad trip on one HBWR seed!
The ability to do heroic doses of psychedelics fearlessly IMO is not really so much to do with any test of mental endurance as much as it is the complete confidence and belief in ones own ability to get through and control the experience. Once this shatters and demonic doubts and fears begin to creep in everything changes...
When I was younger I could eat heroic amounts of psychedelics without any fear because back then there was no fear! I didn’t have any conception of what it was I was even supposed to be afraid of, as of course I had never seen IT. As in Stephen Kings novel (IT) it is belief which gives IT it's power over you, but also belief with which it can be controlled and destroyed. Its all down to belief and nothing more.
Like with a young baby only when you start to educate the poor thing about monsters and 'stranger danger' does the kid start fearing the dark because he knows now there are things and dangers actually out there waiting!
Likewise if you have never had a truly bad trip you can have no real idea of the wretched insanity and genuine danger you may expose yourself and your mental health to by visiting again the next time.
As the old saying goes there is no courage without fear and the extent of a mans bravery you could say correlates closely to how afraid he is of doing something that he is nevertheless willing to do. But nobodies really brave I don’t think, but just afraid of something else a little bit more!
Voodoo, oral DMT can take you to the same place as smoked DMT if you take enough of it and right into hyperspace where even the backdrop to the main circus will seem to possess the power and potency of buckets of LSD.
The worst/best thing with oral ROA is that you don’t just flash by it all in a confused chaotic rocket blast but are there for it all, take off, flight and landing, but also for the walk around mars and alien probings!
If I recall the few times I went to genuine hyperspace I was so terrified while I was there that I went to wolfs happy place in a cowering blabbering and blubbering mess and fetal-position- sucking my own thumb almost! I felt like a baby and was indeed a baby albeit in that particular case a baby alien being bathed in a birthing pool for baby aliens...
Anyone who can go to that place and not feel terrified would be a freak in complete lack of the natural ability to feel any fear but equally I could smoke cannabis tomorrow and perhaps traumatize myself even more.
IMO the oral ROA is the way DMT should be taken because you go in with boots on the ground. It might not be as powerful intensity wise (well try 15 grams of mimosa and tell me its not!) but its much more terrifying in many ways because you are very much conscious of the whole experience.
Unlike smoked DMT -unless you maybe ingested far too much- it doesn’t seem to obliterate the ego in the sense that you wont know where you came from, where you are, or where you are going.
Oral ROA may take a good few attempts to get there if you have not yet broken through to DMT hyperspace but I would imagine 10 grams of mimosa would put anybody there.
For now though I reckon you should forget about psychedelics and integrate. There are more important things, integrate the experience you have just had because I guarantee dude it was telling you something and somewhere inside you now, you will know what that is. It will almost certainly have been brought up during your difficult experience.
The tendency is to write it off as a freak anomally, completely forget what the message was and so rush back in too quickly to suddenly remember again in absolute horror what it was!
HANG UP THE FUCKING PHONE!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: xzylocybin]
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xzylocybin said: DMT isn't about "getting some rad visuals" or "dancing with entities" Sounds like you are using it in an egotistical and frivolous way, makes sense that it is fucking with you.
Everyone is egotistical to some degree...
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Asante] 1
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Asante said: Respect DMT. It has very much to teach you but it will scare you away if you are not in the right mindset.
Be festive but solemn.
This is THE most widespread Entheogen, present in all lifeforms that decarboxylate and methylate.
OH MY...THIS IS THE GREATEST EVER!! I LOVE IT!!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
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I did 100mg my first time too. It was terrifying but amazingly beautiful and incredibly humbling. At first I panicked with the immediate visuals and especially the noise. I couldn't focus with the panic I felt but then I allowed myself to go with it and i was shown some amazing visuals that seemed impossible. I felt a feeling that I can only describe as enlightenment. I realized that it's actually possible to understand reality (but only while in the DMT realm) and I now believe that concsiousness definitely does not end with death. Our body isn't needed in other realms, nothing in our universe is needed
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: thehighking]
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Just a few days ago I had an incredible first experience on .04 in some weed, it wasn't quite a breakthrough but it was almost like I was propelled right to the hyperspace portal and dangled in front of it before returning back to my body. But the colors were incredible the visions were incredible and I definitely felt the electrical impulses and flashes of light coursing through my body...
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: wolf8312]
#23877532 - 11/29/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: So I have to ask you Voodoo, you do a bunch of super high dose mushroom trips, are they not like DMT? Do you not breakthrough and lose utter touch with reality on them? I always imagined those 20+g mushroom trips to be akin to a DMT breakthrough, but it sounds like you couldn't hang with the deems.
Yeah thats what I would have thought too. Reason I am too afraid to go higher than a certain point with shrooms is that I recognize the mushroom headspace to be essentially the DMT headspace and there is no way I'd want to end up in DMT hyperspace for 4-6 hours or more! Dont think the human mind would appreciate such insanity for such a prolonged duration either.
20 grams of shrooms would take me to hyperspace I have no doubt, but I wonder if this would be the case if I had never before broken through with DMT? Did you say you haven't yet broken through on DMT voodoo?
Just how powerful is a full on hyperspace dose of DMT in comparison to say 20 grams of shrooms? And what does '20 grams of shrooms' even mean? Too many variables really.
I have never tried '20 grams of shrooms' to compare, but I remember once thinking in hyperspace that I was seeing effects to the equivalent of a pint or more of LSD. Maybe to get to hyperspace you really do need to break some kind of metaphysical or mental equivalent of a light barrier- meaning either a huge amount of shrooms, or moderate amount of DMT to get there.
It's possible though that at long last Voodoo has just had a bad experience and to be honest the description doesn’t sound like a DMT breakthrough. Bad trips happen without even taking psychedelics and are basically just days that suck ass! No matter how much one usually takes you could have a bad trip on one HBWR seed!
The ability to do heroic doses of psychedelics fearlessly IMO is not really so much to do with any test of mental endurance as much as it is the complete confidence and belief in ones own ability to get through and control the experience. Once this shatters and demonic doubts and fears begin to creep in everything changes...
When I was younger I could eat heroic amounts of psychedelics without any fear because back then there was no fear! I didn’t have any conception of what it was I was even supposed to be afraid of, as of course I had never seen IT. As in Stephen Kings novel (IT) it is beleif which gives IT it's power over you, but also beleif with which it can be controlled and destroyed. Its all down to belief and nothing more.
Like with a young baby only when you start to educate the poor thing about monsters and 'stranger danger' does the kid start fearing the dark because he knows now there are things and dangers actually out there waiting!
Likewise if you have never had a truly bad trip you can have no real idea of the wretched insanity and genuine danger you may expose yourself and your mental health to by visiting again the next time.
As the old saying goes there is no courage without fear and the extent of a mans bravery you could say correlates closely to how afraid he is of doing something that he is nevertheless willing to do. But nobodies really brave I don’t think, but just afraid of something else a little bit more!
Voodoo, oral DMT can take you to the same place as smoked DMT if you take enough of it and right into hyperspace where even the backdrop to the main circus will seem to possess the power and potency of -I honestly couldn’t even say how much(but a loooot)- LSD.
The worst/best thing with oral ROA is that you don’t just flash by it all in a confused chaotic rocket blast but are there for it all, take off, flight and landing, but also for the walk around mars and alien probings!
If I recall the few times I went to genuine hyperspace I was so terrified while I was there that I went to wolfs happy place in a cowering blabbering and blubbering mess and fetal-position- sucking my own thumb almost! I felt like a baby and was indeed a baby albeit in that particular case a baby alien being bathed in a birthing pool for baby aliens...
Anyone who can go to that place and not feel terrified would be a freak in complete lack of the natural ability to feel any fear but equally I could smoke cannabis tomorrow and perhaps traumatize myself even more.
IMO the oral ROA is the way DMT should be taken because you go in with boots on the ground. It might not be as powerful intensity wise (well try 15 grams of mimosa and tell me its not!) but its much more terrifying in many ways because you are very much conscious of the whole experience.
Unlike smoked DMT -unless you maybe ingested far too much- it doesn’t seem to obliterate the ego in the sense that you wont know where you came from, where you are, or where you are going.
Oral ROA may take a good few attempts to get there if you have not yet broken through to DMT hyperspace but I would imagine 10 grams of mimosa would put anybody there.
For now though I reckon you should forget about psychedelics and integrate. There are more important things, integrate the experience you have just had because I guarantee dude it was telling you something and somewhere inside you now, you will know what that is. It will almost certainly have been brought up during your difficult experience.
The tendency is to write it off as a freak anomally, completely forget what the message was and so rush back in too quickly to suddenly remember again in absoloute horror what it was!
HANG UP THE FUCKING PHONE!
...I've never done 20g....10.5 g or 7g.cyan is my max...
I feel like I have pushed my personal limits with mush and acid over the last 6 months.Even at the most uncomfortable moments, I have never felt so terrorized and regretful.
I was prepared for the visuals (kinda)but nothing can prepare you that headspace..Omg!
I'm gonna be 44 soon and am questioning what my body and mind can endure. This experience really shocked me..
Still interested in Aya,cactus and in doing Mush and L...
Smoking more deems?...mmmmmm not shure...
Messages? 1. Recreational tripping is great!...
2. sobriety,life,love,adventure,and nature are so fucking great! Live Life to the fullest!
3. I'M so lucky to have people that care about me! Bless bless!
I gotta say, my last trip (6n6) I felt more tripped out than ever..really made me feel like set and setting can really effect your trip. I was stepping it down after months of 7n7 or higher. My Bro agreed! Trippiest shit ever!...more than 9n9,10.5,7g cyan,ect...
After blast off these doses seem quite manageable in comparison.
In the back of my mind I've always been worried about going too far and being trapped in a place and scared and overwhelmed. Now I have experienced that
After DMT I feel like Mush and L at the levels I've been doing would never throw me in the ditch like that blast off...maybe if I did 20n20 but that will never happen. I mean the idea of even 14g of these shrooms would be gripping!
20g. Might take you to hyperspace... but I don't think the headspace would be quite as awful and thus make the experience more manageable and less scary... maybe
....just something about that headspace 
I feel that if mushrooms or combos have the potential to do anything even close to that I would have already experienced it. I would describe my rough patches as uncomfortable or maybe extremely uncomfortable but never pure Terror..
The experience made me think how f****** great it is tripping on mushrooms and LSD and how I can work my way through it and enjoy the experience....
Anyways....thanks for the feedback!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Kinshino]
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This is the truth
Use DMT alone for curiosity of the inner self.
Go dance on MDMA 
I agree.... but I don't think I'm being egotistical or frivolous.... that's some Bullshit assumption ...... I was simply stating what happened... I take things seriously and respect all substances...
Yeah I don't know where that guy got that assumption. Maybe he misinterpreted your approach and thought you weren't serious.
You did say you might try them on shrooms, and you should. Being on shrooms and smoking dmt is one of the best combos. Instead of just diving straight in the deep end, it's like you're in the shallow end and gently swim towards the deep. It's not as hard and confusing on the mind. I'm sure Bill_Oreilly can agree. 
... that's what I'm thinking. Do a smaller dose may be .025-.050 zone at tail end of trip...mmmmmmaybe....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said: DMT aint nothin' to fuck with!
DMT kicks everyones ass, doesnt matter how prepared u think u are, it destroys all who face it, without mercy.

OMG...totally....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
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voodoochild1000 said: ... that's what I'm thinking. Do a smaller dose may be .025-.050 zone at tail end of trip...mmmmmmaybe....
Yeah, or like I said, do a small rip that doesn't take off, wait a minute then load a fatty. Even that tiny step up gets your brain primed. I don't know that I'd want to deal with the post-flight heart racing in the middle of a mushy trip, but that's just me.
If you do ever manage to get it just right, you can have a DMT experience where if you close your eyes you get the breakthrough experience of unfolding hyperspace without utter and complete dissolution of awareness/logical thought process and that is really nice, mellow and pleasant. I have only gotten that perfect dose once though, it's usually either a fizzle or balls to the wall. Maybe with tiny doses on mushrooms it is easier to hit that sweet spot.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23881440 - 11/30/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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One question voodoo when you did mushrooms in high doses before did you get sucked into the tryptamine circus inhabited by all those crazy and often clownish/creepy entities?
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: wolf8312]
#23881452 - 11/30/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I want to see these clowns or elves everyone is talking about!!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: topdog82]
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Also; at least for me, taking xanax, GHB or alcohol (never all at once) helped me ease into the experience. some people are against that. but if I got the pre flight jitters, then getting G'ed out helped a lot. I have heard mdma has a positive effect in that regard
this is true for me also, I usually wont even touch the shit with a 10 foot pole nowadays without a benzo first... zopiclone is the best IMO, it's not a benzo really, sorta like ambien... I get far more from the experience if I take some of that first, and it tends to be a lot less uncomfortable on take off.
I really don't care if people find that 'impure' or whatever... the best experiences I've ever had on DMT are with a bit of benzos (or something similar) in my system first.
MDMA is a bit iffy for me, I had one really good experience mixing dmt with it, and one that blew me so far out of the fucking water I don't think I really ever fully came back
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: LuSiD9]
#23883291 - 11/30/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hahaha oh man...when you say you don't think you ever fully came back...what effects are you experiencing?
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
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Its hard to prepare for a DMT trip, but the best advice I can give is just let it happen. Nothing will stop it from happening and it happens fast. Just let it wash over you and take you. Your mind will still remain fairly lucid and sober but I find that instant full body/mind euphoria you get kills almost any type of anxiety. Its the most loving beautiful feeling I have ever had.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: SonicTitan]
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Love. Love. Love. Turn on. Enjoy. Love. A toy. Child's play.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: WhoManBeing]
#23883846 - 12/01/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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All's well me bell. Ring ring da to. On and on. That's you.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: SonicTitan]
#23884112 - 12/01/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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SonicTitan said: Its hard to prepare for a DMT trip, but the best advice I can give is just let it happen. Nothing will stop it from happening and it happens fast. Just let it wash over you and take you. Your mind will still remain fairly lucid and sober but I find that instant full body/mind euphoria you get kills almost any type of anxiety. Its the most loving beautiful feeling I have ever had.
Yeah, for me, pre trip and lift off aren't so bad, during a breakthrough I'm literally physically incapacitated, frozen to the spot and there's nothing to do but submit to the experience, plus there's not really any way to "hang on" to any illusions, they're just gone, it's after the breakthrough has passed, when the shock of it all has triggered a massive release of cortisol, adrenaline and endorphin and my whole body is shaking like I just got in a fight with a wildcat or jumped out of an airplane without a parachute that I find unpleasant. That's when I pop a K-pin and lie down, take deep breaths and try to slow my heart rate. It's not mental anxiety so much as a primordial, visceral fear response triggered deep in the brain from a what the mind perceives as a near death experience. I'm sure if you're a high-sensation seeking person who thrives on high risk behaviors and your natural fear response is low then DMT is the shit. For those of us with higher sensitivity to stimuli, it is just far too much stimulation.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
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Wow that was an awesome description, and made total sense...Glad I'm a thrill seeker!!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: wolf8312]
#23884535 - 12/01/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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wolf8312 said: One question voodoo when you did mushrooms in high doses before did you get sucked into the tryptamine circus inhabited by all those crazy and often clownish/creepy entities?
....never....nothing close....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
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SonicTitan said: Its hard to prepare for a DMT trip, but the best advice I can give is just let it happen. Nothing will stop it from happening and it happens fast. Just let it wash over you and take you. Your mind will still remain fairly lucid and sober but I find that instant full body/mind euphoria you get kills almost any type of anxiety. Its the most loving beautiful feeling I have ever had.
Yeah, for me, pre trip and lift off aren't so bad, during a breakthrough I'm literally physically incapacitated, frozen to the spot and there's nothing to do but submit to the experience, plus there's not really any way to "hang on" to any illusions, they're just gone, it's after the breakthrough has passed, when the shock of it all has triggered a massive release of cortisol, adrenaline and endorphin and my whole body is shaking like I just got in a fight with a wildcat or jumped out of an airplane without a parachute that I find unpleasant. That's when I pop a K-pin and lie down, take deep breaths and try to slow my heart rate. It's not mental anxiety so much as a primordial, visceral fear response triggered deep in the brain from a what the mind perceives as a near death experience. I'm sure if you're a high-sensation seeking person who thrives on high risk behaviors and your natural fear response is low then DMT is the shit. For those of us with higher sensitivity to stimuli, it is just far too much stimulation.
PRIMAL FEAR....omg!....everything else was obliterated....no me...no thoughts...just what was happening and so much primal fear....it's the only thing that remains "human"
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23884546 - 12/01/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: Wow that was an awesome description, and made total sense...Glad I'm a thrill seeker!!
....use caution....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: WhoManBeing]
#23884552 - 12/01/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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WhoManBeing said: All's well me bell. Ring ring da to. On and on. That's you.
Ha ha!...hit me up man....I'm in Eugene!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23886205 - 12/01/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Personally I very much disliked the effects of both DMT and Changa when I tried 'em two years ago. I'd been driven back to psychedelics after more than ten years because of my mom dying and my family kinda falling apart.
First of all, I disliked the body load. And second of all, the dmt brought with it the most intense feeling of grieving imaginable...this was two years after my mom died. That said, everytime I smoked it, even when I'd just do a little bit (and hate it), the after-effects were such that it helped my process of grieving immensely. In fact, between the mushrooms and the DMT, and the three month break from life to hunt mushrooms and extract dmt generally, I credit the whole thing with more or less saving my life.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: DavidReishi]
#23886810 - 12/02/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is why I really enjoy changa. It's much more relaxing and ramping up to the breakthrough isn't so chaotic. I highly recommend changa to anyone experiencing anxiety with DMT.
I also think experiences where your just on the edge of the hole are difficult. Once you breakthrough it's hard to feel any anxiety. There's no feelings really. Just being. That's my experience anyway.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: toader123]
#23886847 - 12/02/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wanna make up some changa...does anyone have any reccomendations?
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23886885 - 12/02/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: I wanna make up some changa...does anyone have any reccomendations?
I'd point you to the dmt-nexus for recipes, but my one and only experiment with this was infusing harmine, harmaline and dmt on damiana. It's quite a lovely mix. Only had a quite small quantity to play with and unfortunately no more dmt in sight at the moment. Speaking of changa, has anyone tried using melatonin as a smokeable with harmalas without dmt? It's got an interesting calming effect and I have found it nice to smoke before bedtime.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: do it]
#23886889 - 12/02/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I will check out the nexus!
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DavidReishi said: Personally I very much disliked the effects of both DMT and Changa when I tried 'em two years ago. I'd been driven back to psychedelics after more than ten years because of my mom dying and my family kinda falling apart.
First of all, I disliked the body load. And second of all, the dmt brought with it the most intense feeling of grieving imaginable...this was two years after my mom died. That said, everytime I smoked it, even when I'd just do a little bit (and hate it), the after-effects were such that it helped my process of grieving immensely. In fact, between the mushrooms and the DMT, and the three month break from life to hunt mushrooms and extract dmt generally, I credit the whole thing with more or less saving my life.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23887579 - 12/02/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dooooooo teh Changaaaa.
She's so gentle and loving and beautiful.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: mctaveesh]
#23889227 - 12/02/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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WOW, I just put .03 into my pipe and ripped it with some fresh primo outdoor diesel....BLAST OFF...that was incredible!!! It was so peaceful and blissful, truly a beautiful experience!!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23889249 - 12/02/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have you guys ever thought about using beta blockers for trip anxiety?
I've heard propanol is awesome for that. It blocks the adrenaline receptors.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Gaspard]
#23889321 - 12/02/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds very interesting.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23890362 - 12/03/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice.....sounds like a reasonable dose... .1 is too much... imo
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23890386 - 12/03/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah I'm gonna keep testing the waters...But from what i experienced last night there is a little room to increase the dose. I dubt I will ever attempt a full .1 hahahaha...
I can only imagine it being something like this...
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23893066 - 12/04/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: yeah I'm gonna keep testing the waters...But from what i experienced last night there is a little room to increase the dose. I dubt I will ever attempt a full .1 hahahaha...
I can only imagine it being something like this... 
I will enjoi a nice recreational dose (6g.) of cyans later this week .... looking forward to it...
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23894020 - 12/04/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DAYUM SON!!!!! 6 grams of Cyans!? hahahaha......
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
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Peteyboy said: DAYUM SON!!!!! 6 grams of Cyans!? hahahaha......

  
Maybe add in like 3 of these needlepoints
Maybe smoke some Rue...idk
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23894244 - 12/04/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hahahah 
man you are a soldier, I cant even imagine...I have some harmaline hcl i wanna mix it up with...but i was thinking more like 2 grams of cubes!hahahaha
have you had a breakthrough while on shrooms before??
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23895492 - 12/04/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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6 grams of cyans lol that's nearly a half ounce of cubes, what's the point of taking so much? that would have me high for the rest of my life, seriously.
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
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Peteyboy said: hahahah 
man you are a soldier, I cant even imagine...I have some harmaline hcl i wanna mix it up with...but i was thinking more like 2 grams of cubes!hahahaha
have you had a breakthrough while on shrooms before??
... I've been pretty out there on shrooms but it's never like a DMT breakthrough if that's what you're referring to...much more like super tripped out dream... you can get out of body...but it's blissful and euphoric...
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23896270 - 12/05/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: 6 grams of cyans lol that's nearly a half ounce of cubes, what's the point of taking so much? that would have me high for the rest of my life, seriously.
...I like the high dose experience.. it's robust and full bodied. Or is that my coffee?
I've done 6g. A couple of times...was over the top!...I viewed the universe as a whole and felt I understood the interconnectedness of all things....
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
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Well shit, I can do that on 2g of cyans. Lol I'm glad you like to dive though, somebodies gotta do it!
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23896461 - 12/05/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Well shit, I can do that on 2g of cyans. Lol I'm glad you like to dive though, somebodies gotta do it!
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Also... cyans make me so so cold up front...
Hey Bro... where u at?...I'm in Eugene.... hit a brother up!
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