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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: xzylocybin] * 1
    #23873056 - 11/27/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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DMT isn't about "getting some rad visuals" or "dancing with entities" Sounds like you are using it in an egotistical and frivolous way, makes sense that it is fucking with you.





This is the truth


Use DMT alone for curiosity of the inner self.

Go dance on MDMA :shrug:


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23873220 - 11/27/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I can't seem to have an enjoyable experience on it yet either, but that doesn't mean it's not teaching me - oral DMT I can do anyday, smoked not so much. Even at 5mg, as soon as I blow it out I basically get a feeling of trapped energy in my body, a feeling of not being able to escape, a sense of being heated up from the inside out and stuck in a state of anxiety,  I've also had the same experience on 40mg except every cell in my body evaporated and I disintigrated into the bleakness of hell. I've also had neutral experiences, but don't really get anything out of it. 50% of the time they are unenjoyable. I don't think I'll be able to "let go" from a sober mindstate, it's kind of hard to let go when you're shot in the head and the heart. Instead I would rather be slowly brought to my death, it's more enjoyable in my experience :lol:




..omg....so much anxiety!:trippnballs: I kept waiting to breakthough...let go let go let go.....just fucked...:llamastare:...it was too much to bear.....uuuughhhh...:facepalm3:....then it changed to survive survive survive....so glad to know my bro was there....:firstladyofapproval:

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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: impaired420]
    #23873232 - 11/27/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you sure you vaporized it cprrectly?

I've been doing dmt on my domeless titanium and a few times I got sub breakthrough experiences like you explained where I tripped for 3 minutes and then felt trapped and uncomfortable for the rest of the duration.

A full breakthrough you wouldn't even be an "I" to process what goes down, hell I can barely remember my breakthroughs, just pieces.





....I smoked it on weed.......more like I was out for 4 or 5 min...then came back and was fucked for another 5 min of oev....


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23873242 - 11/27/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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DMT isn't about "getting some rad visuals" or "dancing with entities" Sounds like you are using it in an egotistical and frivolous way, makes sense that it is fucking with you.





This is the truth


Use DMT alone for curiosity of the inner self.

Go dance on MDMA :shrug:



I agree.... but I don't think I'm being egotistical or frivolous.... that's some Bullshit assumption ...... I was simply stating what happened... I take things seriously and respect all substances...:firstladyofapproval:


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #23873315 - 11/27/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think dmt is better when you break through completely compared to being half way there and then stuck in your body, IMO.

I'm sure if you try a few more times you'll get your method down pact and figure things out.


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: impaired420]
    #23873345 - 11/27/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think dmt is better when you break through completely compared to being half way there and then stuck in your body, IMO.

I'm sure if you try a few more times you'll get your method down pact and figure things out.




...I hope so:llamastare:....lol


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #23873517 - 11/27/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
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xzylocybin said:
DMT isn't about "getting some rad visuals" or "dancing with entities" Sounds like you are using it in an egotistical and frivolous way, makes sense that it is fucking with you.





This is the truth


Use DMT alone for curiosity of the inner self.

Go dance on MDMA :shrug:



I agree.... but I don't think I'm being egotistical or frivolous.... that's some Bullshit assumption ...... I was simply stating what happened... I take things seriously and respect all substances...:firstladyofapproval:



Yeah I don't know where that guy got that assumption. Maybe he misinterpreted your approach and thought you weren't serious.

You did say you might try them on shrooms, and you should. Being on shrooms and smoking dmt is one of the best combos. Instead of just diving straight in the deep end, it's like you're in the shallow end and gently swim towards the deep. It's not as hard and confusing on the mind. I'm sure Bill_Oreilly can agree. :thumbup:


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #23873839 - 11/27/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Next time, try vaping a sub-breakthrough hit, then loading a fat hit and blasting off. The best time I had on vaped DMT was when the trip fizzled and went no where, then I put more on and that time I heard this hissing metallic voice saying the universal "YES!!!!" and a swirl of fractals like a portal opened in front of me and then I was just consumed by holy fire and gone into a maelstrom of color and shifting patterns of indescribable complexity, it was the weirdest, most disorienting feeling of otherness, nothingness and electric pleasure, I was sitting in front of a picture window looking at a nice green lawn and gradually in shades the contours of the real world came back with a crazy alternate reality super imposed. Vaped DMT is hit and miss and can really be awful when it is bad. It is kind of awful when it is good too, though, after the breakthrough my adrenaline is pumping so hard I'm shaking and can't really enjoy the nice shroom like visuals and headspace and that horrible taste in my mouth is suddenly noticeable, like I just ate burning tires. A few sips of tea helps.   

Other trips that were shitty I had that weird thing where geometrical beings were attacking me and stabbing at me with weird shifts of perspective and warped space, just pure nothingness where there was nothing but an odd orange and then white glow and I completely disappeared body and soul. Every time I break through I'm like, fuck this shit I'm never doing it again. Then a few days later, I'm like, let's see if I can have a good breakthrough.  After first really good breakthrough, which was about my 5th, I said I think I've had enough vaped DMT. It really is not my bag. 

So I have to ask you Voodoo, you do a bunch of super high dose mushroom trips, are they not like DMT? Do you not breakthrough and lose utter touch with reality on them? I always imagined those 20+g mushroom trips to be akin to a DMT breakthrough, but it sounds like you couldn't hang with the deems.

PS, this was a pretty epic piece of music to go into cyperspace with.


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23873984 - 11/28/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

DMT aint nothin' to fuck with!


DMT kicks everyones ass, doesnt matter how prepared u think u are, it destroys all who face it, without mercy.


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23874412 - 11/28/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Next time, try vaping a sub-breakthrough hit, then loading a fat hit and blasting off. The best time I had on vaped DMT was when the trip fizzled and went no where, then I put more on and that time I heard this hissing metallic voice saying the universal "YES!!!!" and a swirl of fractals like a portal opened in front of me and then I was just consumed by holy fire and gone into a maelstrom of color and shifting patterns of indescribable complexity, it was the weirdest, most disorienting feeling of otherness, nothingness and electric pleasure, I was sitting in front of a picture window looking at a nice green lawn and gradually in shades the contours of the real world came back with a crazy alternate reality super imposed. Vaped DMT is hit and miss and can really be awful when it is bad. It is kind of awful when it is good too, though, after the breakthrough my adrenaline is pumping so hard I'm shaking and can't really enjoy the nice shroom like visuals and headspace and that horrible taste in my mouth is suddenly noticeable, like I just ate burning tires. A few sips of tea helps.   

Other trips that were shitty I had that weird thing where geometrical beings were attacking me and stabbing at me with weird shifts of perspective and warped space, just pure nothingness where there was nothing but an odd orange and then white glow and I completely disappeared body and soul. Every time I break through I'm like, fuck this shit I'm never doing it again. Then a few days later, I'm like, let's see if I can have a good breakthrough.  After first really good breakthrough, which was about my 5th, I said I think I've had enough vaped DMT. It really is not my bag. 

So I have to ask you Voodoo, you do a bunch of super high dose mushroom trips, are they not like DMT? Do you not breakthrough and lose utter touch with reality on them? I always imagined those 20+g mushroom trips to be akin to a DMT breakthrough, but it sounds like you couldn't hang with the deems.

PS, this was a pretty epic piece of music to go into cyperspace with.




....No.... none of my high doses did anything like this hit of dmt...like I said "child's play". ...I mean I was super tripped out but a head space I can deal with. I would take my roughest combo (9n9) anyday!

  I hate to say it.. but maybe I'm not hardwired to "let go" ...:shrug:

  It's hard give up your survival instinct...

  My question is.... will Ayahuasca be less intense? Less anxiety?...I still really wanna try it... but have a lot of intrepidation...

  I feel like DMT should be the last psychedelic to try...so it doesn't turn u off....

  ...anyways thanks for the feedback!:firstladyofapproval:


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000] * 1
    #23874420 - 11/28/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

P.  Zap...... check this out if you like keys... seriously! Do u Jan Hammer?:smugjerry:




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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23874425 - 11/28/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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DMT aint nothin' to fuck with!


DMT kicks everyones ass, doesnt matter how prepared u think u are, it destroys all who face it, without mercy.




  Just like Wu Tang clan....:ducklol:


But seriously..... what the he'll is going on in my brain when it's happening?....:nojustno:


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: impaired420]
    #23874605 - 11/28/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you sure you vaporized it cprrectly?

I've been doing dmt on my domeless titanium and a few times I got sub breakthrough experiences like you explained where I tripped for 3 minutes and then felt trapped and uncomfortable for the rest of the duration.

A full breakthrough you wouldn't even be an "I" to process what goes down, hell I can barely remember my breakthroughs, just pieces.




I used a quartz nail. I attempted to breakthrough with 40mg, but I guess it wasn't enough. But I'm more so leaning to say I resisted too much, I think 40mg can break me through if I was able to "let go"

So I'm trying to build the courage again to go back to the breakthrough dose after hellishly and terrifyingly dying last time. Burned alive from the inside out, every cell exploded, evaporated into the nothingness of hell, hardly and visual stimulation besides a spinning mandala with eyes closed, imagine breakthrough intensity but your anxiety and fight or flight response keep you grounded, very uncomfortable. I looked up into the sky and said this is it you've killed yourself as I anxiously awaited my return, facing my own hell head on.


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23874616 - 11/28/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not hard wired to let go either, we have too much anxiety from a sober minds tate. We would have to breakthrough on a trip already, imo. Ego death doesn't have to be like being shot in the head or heart, it's simply too intense and too fast for me to ever be able to relax into the experience therefore I'm stuck in anxiety the entire time. Smoked DMT isnt natural in the sense it wouldn't be here without humans, DMT is meant to be taken orally, as it comes in Nature in form of Mushrooms or Ayahuasca, extracting DMT and using your lungs to absorb it is a human process, not a natural process in the sense of the word you cant find NN DMT on the ground in smokable amounts you need humans to extract it, in that sense it's a human invented psychedelic but still found in Nature. Just like Hash, it would never be here without Humans. But that's where the difference lies THC is already here in smokable form, DMT is not. Maybe smoked DMT is just concentrated reality, so truthful it becomes alien and confuses. These manifestations appear in people's trips because their minds portray it through subconscious manifestation


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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
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Different ways in which The
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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: voodoochild1000] * 2
    #23874822 - 11/28/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So I have to ask you Voodoo, you do a bunch of super high dose mushroom trips, are they not like DMT? Do you not breakthrough and lose utter touch with reality on them? I always imagined those 20+g mushroom trips to be akin to a DMT breakthrough, but it sounds like you couldn't hang with the deems.





Yeah thats what I would have thought too. Reason I am too afraid to go higher than a certain point with shrooms is that I recognize the mushroom headspace to be essentially the DMT headspace and there is no way I'd want to end up in DMT hyperspace for 4-6 hours or more! Dont think the human mind would appreciate such insanity for such a prolonged duration either.

20 grams of shrooms would take me to hyperspace I have no doubt, but I wonder if this would be the case if I had never before broken through with DMT? Did you say you haven't yet broken through on DMT voodoo?

Just how powerful is a full on hyperspace dose of DMT in comparison to say 20 grams of shrooms? And what does '20 grams of shrooms' even mean? Too many variables really.

I have never tried '20 grams of shrooms' to compare, but I remember once thinking in hyperspace that I was seeing effects to the equivalent of a pint or more of LSD. Maybe to get to hyperspace you really do need to break some kind of metaphysical or mental equivalent of a light barrier- meaning either a huge amount of shrooms, or moderate amount of DMT to get there.

It's possible though that at long last Voodoo has just had a bad experience and to be honest the description doesn’t sound like a DMT breakthrough. Bad trips happen without even taking psychedelics and are basically just days that suck ass! No matter how much one usually takes you could have a bad trip on one HBWR seed!

The ability to do heroic doses of psychedelics fearlessly IMO is not really so much to do with any test of mental endurance as much as it is the complete confidence and belief in ones own ability to get through and control the experience. Once this shatters and demonic doubts and fears begin to creep in everything changes...

When I was younger I could eat heroic amounts of psychedelics without any fear because back then there was no fear! I didn’t have any conception of what it was I was even supposed to be afraid of, as of course I had never seen IT. As in Stephen Kings novel (IT) it is belief which gives IT it's power over you, but also belief with which it can be controlled and destroyed. Its all down to belief and nothing more.

Like with a young baby only when you start to educate the poor thing about monsters and 'stranger danger' does the kid start fearing the dark because he knows now there are things and dangers actually out there waiting!

Likewise if you have never had a truly bad trip you can have no real idea of the wretched insanity and genuine danger you may expose yourself and your mental health to by visiting again the next time.   

As the old saying goes there is no courage without fear and the extent of a mans bravery you could say correlates closely to how afraid he is of doing something that he is nevertheless willing to do. But nobodies really brave I don’t think, but just afraid of something else a little bit more!

Voodoo, oral DMT can take you to the same place as smoked DMT if you take enough of it and right into hyperspace where even the backdrop to the main circus will seem to possess the power and potency of buckets of LSD.

The worst/best thing with oral ROA is that you don’t just flash by it all in a confused chaotic rocket blast but are there for it all, take off, flight and landing, but also for the walk around mars and alien probings!

If I recall the few times I went to genuine hyperspace I was so terrified while I was there that I went to wolfs happy place in a cowering blabbering and blubbering mess and fetal-position- sucking my own thumb almost! I felt like a baby and was indeed a baby albeit in that particular case a baby alien being bathed in a birthing pool for baby aliens...

Anyone who can go to that place and not feel terrified would be a freak in complete lack of the natural ability to feel any fear but equally I could smoke cannabis tomorrow and perhaps traumatize myself even more.

IMO the oral ROA is the way DMT should be taken because you go in with boots on the ground. It might not be as powerful intensity wise (well try 15 grams of mimosa and tell me its not!) but its much more terrifying in many ways because you are very much conscious of the whole experience.

Unlike smoked DMT -unless you maybe ingested far too much- it doesn’t seem to obliterate the ego in the sense that you wont know where you came from, where you are, or where you are going.

Oral ROA may take a good few attempts to get there if you have not yet broken through to DMT hyperspace but I would imagine 10 grams of mimosa would put anybody there.

For now though I reckon you should forget about psychedelics and integrate. There are more important things, integrate the experience you have just had because I guarantee dude it was telling you something and somewhere inside you now, you will know what that is. It will almost certainly have been brought up during your difficult experience.

The tendency is to write it off as a freak anomally, completely forget what the message was and so rush back in too quickly to suddenly remember again in absolute horror what it was!

HANG UP THE FUCKING PHONE!


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: xzylocybin]
    #23875657 - 11/28/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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DMT isn't about "getting some rad visuals" or "dancing with entities" Sounds like you are using it in an egotistical and frivolous way, makes sense that it is fucking with you.



Everyone is egotistical to some degree...


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23876145 - 11/28/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Respect DMT. It has very much to teach you but it will scare you away if you are not in the right mindset.

Be festive but solemn.

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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23876656 - 11/28/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I did 100mg my first time too. It was terrifying but amazingly beautiful and incredibly humbling. At first I panicked with the immediate visuals and especially the noise. I couldn't focus with the panic I felt but then I allowed myself to go with it and i was shown some amazing visuals that seemed impossible. I felt a feeling that I can only describe as enlightenment. I realized that it's actually possible to understand reality (but only while in the DMT realm) and I now believe that concsiousness definitely does not end with death. Our body isn't needed in other realms, nothing in our universe is needed


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: thehighking]
    #23876690 - 11/28/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just a few days ago I had an incredible first experience on .04 in some weed, it wasn't quite a breakthrough but it was almost like I was propelled right to the hyperspace portal and dangled in front of it before returning back to my body. But the colors were incredible the visions were incredible and I definitely felt the electrical impulses and flashes of light coursing through my body...


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Re: DMT.... maybe I'm not as hardcore as I thought... [Re: wolf8312]
    #23877532 - 11/29/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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P.Zappatecorum said:
So I have to ask you Voodoo, you do a bunch of super high dose mushroom trips, are they not like DMT? Do you not breakthrough and lose utter touch with reality on them? I always imagined those 20+g mushroom trips to be akin to a DMT breakthrough, but it sounds like you couldn't hang with the deems.





Yeah thats what I would have thought too. Reason I am too afraid to go higher than a certain point with shrooms is that I recognize the mushroom headspace to be essentially the DMT headspace and there is no way I'd want to end up in DMT hyperspace for 4-6 hours or more! Dont think the human mind would appreciate such insanity for such a prolonged duration either.

20 grams of shrooms would take me to hyperspace I have no doubt, but I wonder if this would be the case if I had never before broken through with DMT? Did you say you haven't yet broken through on DMT voodoo?

Just how powerful is a full on hyperspace dose of DMT in comparison to say 20 grams of shrooms? And what does '20 grams of shrooms' even mean? Too many variables really.

I have never tried '20 grams of shrooms' to compare, but I remember once thinking in hyperspace that I was seeing effects to the equivalent of a pint or more of LSD. Maybe to get to hyperspace you really do need to break some kind of metaphysical or mental equivalent of a light barrier- meaning either a huge amount of shrooms, or moderate amount of DMT to get there.

It's possible though that at long last Voodoo has just had a bad experience and to be honest the description doesn’t sound like a DMT breakthrough. Bad trips happen without even taking psychedelics and are basically just days that suck ass! No matter how much one usually takes you could have a bad trip on one HBWR seed!

The ability to do heroic doses of psychedelics fearlessly IMO is not really so much to do with any test of mental endurance as much as it is the complete confidence and belief in ones own ability to get through and control the experience. Once this shatters and demonic doubts and fears begin to creep in everything changes...

When I was younger I could eat heroic amounts of psychedelics without any fear because back then there was no fear! I didn’t have any conception of what it was I was even supposed to be afraid of, as of course I had never seen IT. As in Stephen Kings novel (IT) it is beleif which gives IT it's power over you, but also beleif with which it can be controlled and destroyed. Its all down to belief and nothing more.

Like with a young baby only when you start to educate the poor thing about monsters and 'stranger danger' does the kid start fearing the dark because he knows now there are things and dangers actually out there waiting!

Likewise if you have never had a truly bad trip you can have no real idea of the wretched insanity and genuine danger you may expose yourself and your mental health to by visiting again the next time.   

As the old saying goes there is no courage without fear and the extent of a mans bravery you could say correlates closely to how afraid he is of doing something that he is nevertheless willing to do. But nobodies really brave I don’t think, but just afraid of something else a little bit more!

Voodoo, oral DMT can take you to the same place as smoked DMT if you take enough of it and right into hyperspace where even the backdrop to the main circus will seem to possess the power and potency of -I honestly couldn’t even say how much(but a loooot)- LSD.

The worst/best thing with oral ROA is that you don’t just flash by it all in a confused chaotic rocket blast but are there for it all, take off, flight and landing, but also for the walk around mars and alien probings!

If I recall the few times I went to genuine hyperspace I was so terrified while I was there that I went to wolfs happy place in a cowering blabbering and blubbering mess and fetal-position- sucking my own thumb almost! I felt like a baby and was indeed a baby albeit in that particular case a baby alien being bathed in a birthing pool for baby aliens...

Anyone who can go to that place and not feel terrified would be a freak in complete lack of the natural ability to feel any fear but equally I could smoke cannabis tomorrow and perhaps traumatize myself even more.

IMO the oral ROA is the way DMT should be taken because you go in with boots on the ground. It might not be as powerful intensity wise (well try 15 grams of mimosa and tell me its not!) but its much more terrifying in many ways because you are very much conscious of the whole experience.

Unlike smoked DMT -unless you maybe ingested far too much- it doesn’t seem to obliterate the ego in the sense that you wont know where you came from, where you are, or where you are going.

Oral ROA may take a good few attempts to get there if you have not yet broken through to DMT hyperspace but I would imagine 10 grams of mimosa would put anybody there.

For now though I reckon you should forget about psychedelics and integrate. There are more important things, integrate the experience you have just had because I guarantee dude it was telling you something and somewhere inside you now, you will know what that is. It will almost certainly have been brought up during your difficult experience.

The tendency is to write it off as a freak anomally, completely forget what the message was and so rush back in too quickly to suddenly remember again in absoloute horror what it was!

HANG UP THE FUCKING PHONE!





  ...I've never done 20g....10.5 g or 7g.cyan is my max...:mindexpanding:

  I feel like I have pushed my personal limits with mush and acid over the last 6 months.Even at the most uncomfortable moments, I have never felt so terrorized and regretful.

I was prepared for the visuals (kinda)but nothing can prepare you that headspace..Omg!:trippnballs:

  I'm gonna be 44 soon and am questioning what my body and mind can endure. This experience really shocked me..

  Still interested in Aya,cactus and in doing Mush and L...

  Smoking more deems?...mmmmmm not shure...:nojustno:

  Messages?  1. Recreational tripping is great!...

        2. sobriety,life,love,adventure,and nature are so fucking great! Live Life to the fullest!

      3. I'M so lucky to have people that care about me! Bless bless!

  I gotta say, my last trip  (6n6) I felt more tripped out than ever..really made me feel like set and setting can really effect your trip. I was stepping it down after months of 7n7 or higher. My Bro agreed! Trippiest shit ever!...more than 9n9,10.5,7g cyan,ect...

After blast off these doses seem quite manageable in comparison.:smugjerry:

  In the back of my mind I've always been worried about going too far and being trapped in a place and scared and overwhelmed. Now I have experienced that:cannon:

  After DMT I feel like Mush and L at the levels I've been doing would never throw me in the ditch like that blast off...maybe if I did 20n20 but that will never happen. I mean the idea of even 14g of these shrooms would be gripping!

  20g. Might take you to hyperspace... but I don't think the headspace would be quite as awful and thus make the experience more manageable and less scary...:shrug: maybe

....just something about that headspace :llamastare:

  I feel that if mushrooms or combos have the potential to do anything even close to that I would have already experienced it. I would describe  my rough patches as uncomfortable or maybe extremely uncomfortable but never pure Terror..

  The experience made me think how f****** great it is tripping on mushrooms and LSD and how I can work my way through it and enjoy the experience....

Anyways....thanks for the feedback!:bigyesnod:


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