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Offlinewild child
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I am giving up
    #23871273 - 11/27/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I am not sure what else to do...every jar (brf) ive done in the past several months all become Bacillus..Ive had many successful grows, with less sterile technique..so I am very confused here.

each syringe ive used comes from reputable places. I steam for 1h 30min to 2 hrs. use a SAB, gloves, flame sterilize between each jar. use less water each time...nothing works. ive heard vermiculite doesnt go bad, that would be the only thing left for me to try is to buy new verm. I dont think even a PC would stop this issue.

I think this is my calling, time to retire...its been fun guys.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: wild child]
    #23871280 - 11/27/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

a pc WOULD stop the issue if it is indeed contaminated verm... steaming does not sterilize, but pressure cooking does.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Yrat]
    #23871318 - 11/27/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think if bacteria is the only issue, you're pretty easily defeated.  I could see if it was mold...

Have you bought new syringes?  Have you tried agar?  And small PC's are pretty cheap if you only need one big enough for cakes.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Yrat]
    #23871323 - 11/27/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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steaming does not sterilize




:facepalm:

yes, it does


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Re: I am giving up [Re: wild child]
    #23871359 - 11/27/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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wild child said:
I am not sure what else to do...every jar (brf) ive done in the past several months all become Bacillus..Ive had many successful grows, with less sterile technique..so I am very confused here.

each syringe ive used comes from reputable places. I steam for 1h 30min to 2 hrs. use a SAB, gloves, flame sterilize between each jar. use less water each time...nothing works. ive heard vermiculite doesnt go bad, that would be the only thing left for me to try is to buy new verm. I dont think even a PC would stop this issue.

I think this is my calling, time to retire...its been fun guys.



I think this is your calling to test your syringes on agar, and transfer until clean. No matter how reputable the syringe source is, if there's a lot of bacillus in there, you're screwed.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Mad Season]
    #23871364 - 11/27/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: I am giving up [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23871372 - 11/27/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I used to inoculate in the open air, even do g2g transfers with reasonable success in the open air. I moved and now I have had SO much trouble. I mean it was hard to even get a tub to flush before getting overtaken by green mold. I wouldn't even attempt a g2g transfer, fuck. I built a flow hood, did agar work, and now have much higher success rates. I don't know if it's because of the air or my source syringes were just dirty, I wouldn't trust any vendor to give me a sterile syringe so it could be either or.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: unfortunategent]
    #23871380 - 11/27/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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unfortunategent said:
I think if bacteria is the only issue, you're pretty easily defeated.  I could see if it was mold...

Have you bought new syringes?  Have you tried agar?  And small PC's are pretty cheap if you only need one big enough for cakes.





have bought several new syringes, I dont know how to use Agar, I need a PC for that correct? I am thinking its my Verm.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: wild child]
    #23871383 - 11/27/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Use agar, then give up. Never before.

You have no way of knowing what it is without using agar, but WITH pasty plates or petri dishes you can easily figure out what the issue is down to the hand movements you made that flung bacteria into your culture. 



Look up PastyWhite's PastyPlate tek. Munchauzen's video's and Azur's monotub tek and info.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23871394 - 11/27/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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wild child said:
I am not sure what else to do...every jar (brf) ive done in the past several months all become Bacillus..Ive had many successful grows, with less sterile technique..so I am very confused here.

each syringe ive used comes from reputable places. I steam for 1h 30min to 2 hrs. use a SAB, gloves, flame sterilize between each jar. use less water each time...nothing works. ive heard vermiculite doesnt go bad, that would be the only thing left for me to try is to buy new verm. I dont think even a PC would stop this issue.

I think this is my calling, time to retire...its been fun guys.



I think this is your calling to test your syringes on agar, and transfer until clean. No matter how reputable the syringe source is, if there's a lot of bacillus in there, you're screwed.



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Use agar, then give up. Never before.

You have no way of knowing what it is without using agar, but WITH pasty plates or petri dishes you can easily figure out what the issue is down to the hand movements you made that flung bacteria into your culture. 



Look up PastyWhite's PastyPlate tek. Munchauzen's video's and Azur's monotub tek and info.






cool, I need to do some homework on Agar, thanks


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Re: I am giving up [Re: wild child]
    #23871400 - 11/27/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's not your vermiculite, that doesn't make sense. Your vermiculite is loaded with spores, that's why we sterilize it. If it's your vermiculite it means it's because you're not properly sterilizing it, not that there's something inherent to the verm itself. Before getting into agar I'd get a pressure cooker, I wouldn't even attempt to grow mushrooms w/o one.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: krypto2000]
    #23871415 - 11/27/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, im gonna have to get a PC. my pot lids have one of those vent holes, so some steam is getting out, I dont know if that has anything to do with it but I even steam for up to 2 hours so I feel that's good enough.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: wild child]
    #23871424 - 11/27/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well definitely get a pc if you can. If you can't, agar is a liquid media. It will sterilize much quicker than solid medias (pf tek) due to epic convection. Agar as well doesn't need a PC.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Mad Season]
    #23871569 - 11/27/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

When I first got into this I went through a period where everything was infected... Come to find out it was from a lot of dirty syringes. I was pressure cooking, doing everything right. Then It dawned on me, holy shit its the syringes.

I think that's what you're going through.

Get some potato dextros agar. It's a little more but its premixed and one container will last you a long time. Instruction are on the bottle on how to make it. Just add water :smile:

If i where you, Id get some new Syringes too. Oh,and a PC from walmart is only like 60$ i believe.

Edit: dont give up, there are a ton of us on here to help you along the way as long as you do your research.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Th3Issu3]
    #23871587 - 11/27/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I worked for a couple months with grain that *looked* fine but was not clean. now I do everything with agar. 

Go get some mini rounds from the store and some agar from some asian store and a scalpel from an art store and you could follow pastywhytes agar tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976


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Re: I am giving up [Re: AK1000]
    #23871652 - 11/27/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

U can't give up before u have even began.

If u haven't ever used a PC for ur grows u haven't even begun to grow.

Hey OP, my advice... get a pressure cooker and start growing using rye grains.

I've heard minimal about steam baths. What I have heard tho I was told they inconsistent.

I think most people start out with a pressure cooker tho.

Props to u for ur dedication. Now show ur dedication some more and get a PC. It will fix your problems. A pc and still air box


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Raven44]
    #23871674 - 11/27/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

DONT QUIT DUDE!!!! Nothing good in life is easy!!! You gotta get yourself a PC brother, then prep up some agar. None of us knew how to do agar before we said "Fuck it lets try this shit out"!

You can do it man, you have the best people in the world at your fingertips for any advice or help you need. I would be more then happy to help anyway i can!!:jah:


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Mad Season]
    #23871676 - 11/27/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If u haven't ever used a PC for ur grows u haven't even begun to grow. He obviously can't do anything with Agar to my knowledge with out a pc. Who knows maybe some wise guy made up a way with h2o2 but still... no pc = no Agar I think?



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Well definitely get a pc if you can. If you can't, agar is a liquid media. It will sterilize much quicker than solid medias (pf tek) due to epic convection. Agar as well doesn't need a PC.



I do agree that he should get a PC. Especially for going to grains.

Heat through convection transfer is why you can just Pc agar for 15-30 minutes to sterilize compared to the 2 hours needed for grains. You can quite easily boil agar for 45-1 hr for a sufficient sterilization. There's even a tek on here on steaming pasty plates


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Re: I am giving up [Re: wild child] * 1
    #23871678 - 11/27/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Time to hang up the pf tek and clean up those syringes on agar.  It might be hard, and you might learn the hard way more than half the time, But if your not into it and the subject of this thread is "I give up" well...All I can do is send you some love.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23871688 - 11/27/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My bad, didn't know people.practiced steaming pasty plates

I started out with a pressure cooker there so cheap! Why not?

Listen to what mad season said, but still get a PC dude step ur game up

I edited my misinformation


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Re: I am giving up [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23871720 - 11/27/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Time to hang up the pf tek and clean up those syringes on agar.  It might be hard, and you might learn the hard way more than half the time, But if your not into it and the subject of this thread is "I give up" well...All I can do is send you some love.





That is an awesome pic! I'm gonna try that...:jah:


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Raven44]
    #23871722 - 11/27/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think you should give up.

Take up needlepoint or maybe collecting Pokemon cards would be a little less challenging. 

:trolldance:


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    #23871736 - 11/27/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23871740 - 11/27/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: I am giving up [Re: wild child]
    #23871777 - 11/27/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure where you live but be patient and keep the temp at 70 degrees.
Go all fucking in on the idea of sterile procedure.

But most importantly,,,
Try Doing a bulk grow with grains.
IMHO BRF and the PF tec fucking sucks, even if your a total beginner Do a bulk grow. It's not any more difficult and you'll probably get less contamination and a hell of a lot more shrooms. Dont fuck around with the plates, it's a waste of time.
I tried BRF and failed but when I switched to grains absolutely nailed it . Not even sure what I was doing wrong before. I was following everything to the T and heavily focused on STERILE procedure.

On my second bulk grow I went all in and yielded over 3 and 1/2 pounds cracker
dry. Never had to and never will grow again.

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Re: I am giving up [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23871793 - 11/27/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You shouldn't give up because your next try will be fruitful. Plus you don't really want to be beaten by a humble mushroom.

Good luck with your next grow :grin:


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    #23871845 - 11/27/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Brother i had 6 month of complete failure before i had a single pin and it want until i started following TEKS TO THE LETTER..once you figure out how its supposto be done then you can fuck shit up ur own lol ( well that was the case in my situation at least)


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Re: I am giving up [Re: PieEyed-Messiah]
    #23871868 - 11/27/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the love guys ( most of you lol) I am absolutely broke right now but I will get it going again when I can. PC and all.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: wild child]
    #23871874 - 11/27/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Craigslist, and thrift stores

Scored an all.American 921 at goodwill. Talked em down from 150. $100 out the door maybe even seventy five can't remember

Went in looking for a gift for a nephew, came out with an AA 921 and a smile


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Raven44]
    #23871876 - 11/27/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I got a 26 qt presto at walmart for 70 bucks...Youcan prolly find em on Amazon for even cheaper...


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23871883 - 11/27/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Those run 20-50$ on Craigslist on a good day :smile:

I'm always Lf used aas

Got a lil one for $40 it's a I dunno how many qts lol holds two spawn bags tho w 2000g dry grain in each bag


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Raven44]
    #23871892 - 11/27/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Raven you sly little devil youuuu....I didnt even think to check Craig's list!!

Good idea brotha!


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Yrat]
    #23872012 - 11/27/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Get a PC and read...and surely your luck will improve


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23872215 - 11/27/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Had same problem till the moment i got myself a pressure cooker.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Thc420Vato]
    #23872239 - 11/27/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hell, I had contaminations bad until I started pc'ing my grains for a minimum of 2 hours


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23872254 - 11/27/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

90% of the spore syringes I've ordered from reputable vendors have been contaminated with bacteria.

It's not time to quit. It's time to get into agar.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23872255 - 11/27/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Hell, I had contaminations bad until I started pc'ing my grains for a minimum of 2 hours



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Re: I am giving up [Re: MudaFuka]
    #23872536 - 11/27/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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90% of the spore syringes I've ordered from reputable vendors have been contaminated with bacteria.

It's not time to quit. It's time to get into agar.




Hahahaha I do NOT doubt u. I even got this one print that I couldn't get rid of the bacteria on.... only time that's happened to me...

Probably cheating and not doing in vitro grows


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Re: I am giving up [Re: wild child]
    #23872619 - 11/27/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

When are you taking the foil off your jars? It should be removed the second they come out of the PC/pot on the stove, and the jars should be removed the moment they're done cooking.

If you're worried about your verm, bake it at 400 for 10 minutes or so.

Make sure that you're either thoroughly cleaning and sanitizing the jars each time, or that you use new jars each time.

Wipe down all the counters and other surfaces where you'll be doing stuff with clorox/etc, wear clean clothes, take a shower beforehand.

Also, where you're putting your jars and how you handle them after they're inoculated matters. They should be put somewhere with good airflow, a good amount of light (preferably natural sunlight), and somewhere that's stable so that they won't be jostled or otherwise moved at all until they're done. You should try not to pick up or handle the jars until they're done growing.

If all that fails, then agar is your solution. Or you could jump straight to agar.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: nooneman]
    #23872675 - 11/27/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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When are you taking the foil off your jars? It should be removed the second they come out of the PC/pot on the stove, and the jars should be removed the moment they're done cooking.

If you're worried about your verm, bake it at 400 for 10 minutes or so.

Make sure that you're either thoroughly cleaning and sanitizing the jars each time, or that you use new jars each time.

Wipe down all the counters and other surfaces where you'll be doing stuff with clorox/etc, wear clean clothes, take a shower beforehand.

Also, where you're putting your jars and how you handle them after they're inoculated matters. They should be put somewhere with good airflow, a good amount of light (preferably natural sunlight), and somewhere that's stable so that they won't be jostled or otherwise moved at all until they're done. You should try not to pick up or handle the jars until they're done growing.

If all that fails, then agar is your solution. Or you could jump straight to agar.





I always take the foil off, jars should be removed soon as theyre done? I usually leave them in the pot over night or whenever they cool off...I do need to work on not touching them and turning them..since im so prone to contams im always checking on them. might be part of the issue, but I saw bacteria in a jar within 24hrs. didnt even touch it. I left the first batch sit for about 4 days to see if it was my sterilizing or dirty inoculation but I did move them around in the process.

if I continue this tek I will bake the verm before hand,also take a shower. lol


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    #23872714 - 11/27/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

if all your pf-tek jars contaminate its the syringe. steam sterilizing brf cakes works 100% every time. buying a PC wont do any good, unless you're using it to start doing agar and grains.


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    #23872731 - 11/27/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The jars should be removed as soon as they're done. If they're left in the pot overnight with the foil on, the moisture content can get thrown off.

Also remember the other stuff I wrote like about light. Mushrooms don't grow well in darkness, they grow much better and faster in light.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23884816 - 12/01/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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steaming does not sterilize




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yes, it does




no it doesn't.

steaming under a pressure of an extra 15 psi above atmospheric pressure causes water to boil at 120oC, enough to kill bacterial endospores and sterilize equipment and substrates.  steam produced by regular boiling water will never reach higher than 100oC, not enough to kill the hardiest contaminants.

this is why you can't steam sterilize grains.  this is some of the most basic cultivation knowledge. 

if he is having contamination problems, and is only steaming his equipment with boiling water, he can fix the issue by sterilizing in a pressure cooker.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Yrat]
    #23884842 - 12/01/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

wow, that's really bad info dude.. you can steam grains for 8 hrs. that's basic knowledge. also we dont kill all endospores we knock them back enough to get a window for colonization before they're back up. also basic knowledge.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19217560
also, this dude is using the brf-tek. 90mins steam sterilzing works 100% of the times.


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    #23884912 - 12/01/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

so you confirmed my statement, that steaming doesn't sterilize, it only knocks contams lower long enough for you to get a leg up on colonization.  nothing i said was incorrect.

plus, if you're steaming grains for EIGHT hours, do yourself a favor and get a freaking pressure cooker.


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    #23884917 - 12/01/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Not even 90 minutes in the pc kills them.


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    #23884933 - 12/01/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i disagree.  i have sterilized both solid and liquid substrates in PCs and autclaves numerous times before letting them sit for days, sometimes WEEKS, and they remain uncolonized and sterile.  same goes for the biochem/microbio lab i used to work in.  if they weren't sterile, they would quickly become contaminated.


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    #23884942 - 12/01/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

False...glad you value your own opinion though.


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Re: I am giving up [Re: Yrat]
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so you confirmed my statement, that steaming doesn't sterilize, it only knocks contams lower long enough for you to get a leg up on colonization.  nothing i said was incorrect.

plus, if you're steaming grains for EIGHT hours, do yourself a favor and get a freaking pressure cooker.




no, "sterilizing" grains doesnt sterilize them. only knocks endospores back.
brf has no endospores. so 90mins steam works every time.

You really shouldn't talk about "basic knowledge" if you dont even know this.


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    #23884967 - 12/01/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

awesome.  pop into cult for the first time in years and a bunch of people without any grows to their names try scramble over each other to prove someone wrong and look smart.

thanks for reminding me why i left this forum such a long time ago.

btw, you better hope those medical autoclaves do a lot more than simply pasteurize equipment if you ever need to have surgery.

good luck folks, and to the OP, use a PC, otherwise it's your syringe.


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    #23884977 - 12/01/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Try the search feature dude..comparing tools to grains is silly my blades lack endospores


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    #23884979 - 12/01/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

To the op:  dont give up dude, this hobby is very rewarding and a lot easier than your unfortunate experience has led you to believe.  I know people have been preaching at you about agar and it seems intimidating, but they're right and agar is way easier than you can imagine. 
Ive accomplished so much more with agar than I ever did without and overall I'm a successful and happy cultivator, sitting back and reaping in the rewards in exchange for a little time, money, and experience.  Dont give up.  Thats just gay


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    #23884982 - 12/01/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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btw, you better hope those medical autoclaves do a lot more than simply pasteurize equipment if you ever need to have surgery.

good luck folks, and to the OP, use a PC, otherwise it's your syringe.




lol, we're talking about grains here not tools.. and we never mentioned pasteurization, you got the terms all mixed up.
sterilizing scalpels in a PC...easy. sterilizing manure..easy. sterilizing grains with endospores.. fuckin hard.


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    #23884987 - 12/01/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I dont even remember the timeline but it is like 12 hours to sterilize a qt of grain in a pc.


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    #23885041 - 12/01/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I pc my grains for two hours and use agar and I still get bacterial issues.  Nothing significant though.


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    #23885079 - 12/01/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #23885143 - 12/01/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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awesome.  pop into cult for the first time in years and a bunch of people without any grows to their names try scramble over each other to prove someone wrong and look smart.

thanks for reminding me why i left this forum such a long time ago.

btw, you better hope those medical autoclaves do a lot more than simply pasteurize equipment if you ever need to have surgery.

good luck folks, and to the OP, use a PC, otherwise it's your syringe.



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    #23885243 - 12/01/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm glad my simple comment was enough to flush out a bad poster :lol:

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

perhaps take a quick glance at the user profiles, ratings, and main threads of these people you are disagreeing with.


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