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How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri
    #23870095 - 11/26/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm on lexapro 10mg and I haven't tripped since before starting it. Is there anyone experienced who can tell me how much I should increase my shroom dosage by to get the same effects. I would normally eat 5-6 grams before I started taking the ssri.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: thebug76]
    #23870158 - 11/26/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well sometimes it doesn't affect it at all, so maybe try your normal dose before anything.

Though, if you don't come by mushrooms that often and don't want to risk the chance of wasting a trip, then add 2g to your normal dose.

I assume from your sig, though, that you provide your own supply and wouldn't have much to lose by experimenting. 

Good luck.  SSRI's can be tricky when it comes to tripping.  I'm on zoloft myself, have been for years, so I speak from experience.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: unfortunategent]
    #23870238 - 11/26/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well, normally it wouldn't be a loss to have a failed experiment, but this is going to be my b-day trip. And it's my first batch since May, so I'm really friggin ready for a good trip.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: thebug76]
    #23870256 - 11/26/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

7 grams?


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: thebug76]
    #23871489 - 11/27/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

DON'T TAKE SHROOMS WHILE YOU'RE STILL ON AN SSRI


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23871620 - 11/27/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i've safely done plenty of shroom and lsd trips when i was on zoloft.  It probably varies depending on the particular ssri tho, so i would start off pretty close to the dosage you normally took, then ease it up gradually the next time if needed.  For me it took 3 tabs of acid to get what i would normally get on 2, and 6 dried grams instead of 5.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: crackbaby]
    #23871685 - 11/27/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not saying it's dangerous just saying it's a waste of time. I've heard it can also negatively affect the trip for some people as well.

I see no point in taking serotonergic psychedelics while also on SSRIs...

And with certain psychedelics like ayahuasca or MDMA that could be dangerous. I just see no good coming from it even if it's just with psilocybin. Just because you'll be physically alright doesn't just mean you should do it.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23871751 - 11/27/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i wouldn't advocate this for everyone, but in my case it was theraputic and many good times were had.  I've occasionally had to cycle onto zoloft for seasonal affective disorder...at first i was pretty apprehensive about using any other substances, and started out small. Then gradually increased dosages as i gauged the physical/mental/emotional effects and became acclimated (slowly, i should emphasize)


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: crackbaby]
    #23872262 - 11/27/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Taking SSRIs in general is just a bad idea. Even if it is therapeutic for you there's much better ways. If SSRIs were the most effective way they wouldn't prescribe them at the rate they do because it wouldn't make them as much money.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23872268 - 11/27/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Taking SSRIs in general is just a bad idea. Even if it is therapeutic for you there's much better ways. If SSRIs were the most effective way they wouldn't prescribe them at the rate they do because it wouldn't make them as much money.




Honestly. I agree. I'm in the process of going back and forth to the dr for symptoms that appear to be ADHD related, but we're trying not to go on meth based meds


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: thebug76] * 2
    #23872372 - 11/27/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Taking shroom's with an SSRI is not ideal, but can be done just fine. 

There's a pervasive (and ignorant) idea on this board that all prescriptions (especially SSRI's) are bad, Dr.'s only prescribe them to make $$$, and that you're better off treating yourself with "natural substances", or in other words, psychedelics, weed, and herbs.  This idea is normally perpetuated by individuals who have no need for prescriptions themselves, and figure neither do others.

There have been some success stories of people gettin off medication with the use of mushrooms, MDMA, cactus, etc..,, but I believe these are special cases and not the norm.  If you're in need of an SSRI to regulate something that's permanently off (chemically), no amount of psychedelic use is going to fix that.  You need your medicine. 

I don't believe that means you can't trip though.  Anyone who says that has a very limited point of view and is not speaking from experience. 

Use your best judgement. Maybe wait until you figure out what's wrong with you before tripping.  See if the SSRI helps you.  It may very well help tremendously, or not at all.    But if it turns out it does, and you plan to stay on it long term, don't let anyone tell you you can't trip unless you get off the meds..or that you're unfit to trip because you need meds.  Such a view comes from ignorance.. Like I said, use your best judgement.

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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: thebug76]
    #23872382 - 11/27/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

no problems with my Lexapro and mescaline/peyote/pedro. I am on 10 mg a day, but honestly have cut back to 5 on most days. aiming for cutting that too. In fact, part of the reason I'm back to try mushies is because micro-dosing on mescaline has helped. But that is NOT sustainable even with many plants and lot's of extractions :P

good luck :laugh:


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: PlantManBee]
    #23872855 - 11/27/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not looking to psychedelics to get off my meds. I just like to trip and I don't see me not tripping whenever I get the chance.

The ssri helps about 75% of my issues without the speedy feeling. Like I said about that tho, we're (the dr and myself) are trying to stay away from the meth based ADHD meds like adderal, vyvanse, etc.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: thebug76]
    #23873099 - 11/27/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly though ADHD medications are still probably not as bad for you as SSRIs. I don't think they have the same potential for permanent damage like the SSRIs.
I'd rather have wakefulness and even occasional anxiety over suicidal thoughts and long term neurotransmitter depletions any day.

It's kind of misleading/exaggerating to call them meth-based because they're just amphetamines and there's all kinds of amphetamines out there that vary in strength. Also I know they may be chemically related to meth but trust me I've done real amphetamines, I've done meth and I've also done adderall and adderall literally feels nothing like meth or traditional amphetamines, not even remotely close. Adderall just feels like weak cocaine it doesn't feel like meth at all.  Fuck I bet cocaine itself could work better than all of these medications if you don't have an addictive personality. The medical application of certain illicit drugs is underrated.

If SSRIs really help you with "75% of your problems" but psychedelics especially shrooms do nothing then you're either not trying hard enough or it's simply placebo. Psilocybin mushrooms typically have a MUCH more potent and lasting anti-depressive effect than any SSRI out there. More so than even most psychedelics actually.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23873115 - 11/27/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Honestly though ADHD medications are still probably not as bad for you as SSRIs. I don't think they have the same potential for permanent damage like the SSRIs.
I'd rather have wakefulness and even occasional anxiety over suicidal thoughts and long term neurotransmitter depletions any day.

It's kind of misleading/exaggerating to call them meth-based because they're just amphetamines and there's all kinds of amphetamines out there that vary in strength. Also I know they may be chemically related to meth but trust me I've done real amphetamines, I've done meth and I've also done adderall and adderall literally feels nothing like meth or traditional amphetamines, not even remotely close. Adderall just feels like weak cocaine it doesn't feel like meth at all.  Fuck I bet cocaine itself could work better than all of these medications if you don't have an addictive personality. The medical application of certain illicit drugs is underrated.

If SSRIs really help you with "75% of your problems" but psychedelics especially shrooms do nothing then you're either not trying hard enough or it's simply placebo. Psilocybin mushrooms typically have a MUCH more potent and lasting anti-depressive effect than any SSRI out there. More so than even most psychedelics actually.




I don't think you really read my OP. I never said they did nothing. This will be my first trip since May, I've only been on lexapro for 2 months, and I've read on here that ssri's weaken the effects. I don't know for certain, I was just asking how much of a dosage increase I should go for.

I like heavy trips, so a little overkill won't hurt anything.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: thebug76]
    #23873159 - 11/27/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't think you really read my OP. I never said they did nothing. This will be my first trip since May, I've only been on lexapro for 2 months, and I've read on here that ssri's weaken the effects. I don't know for certain, I was just asking how much of a dosage increase I should go for.

I like heavy trips, so a little overkill won't hurt anything.




I was gonna edit my last response and say "pretty much nothing" not nothing at all but I figured you got the point.

If you like heavy trips...or even just decent trips you're gonna want to get off the meds man. Some people don't even get any effects at all, that other guy in this thread was an exception to that but seriously no matter what dose you take it just wont be the same.

It's counterproductive to take psychedelics while on SSRIs, it's like mixing psychotics and antipsychotics together.
I would strongly encourage you to just stop taking the meds overall and look either to nature or simply just healthy living and/or meditation. If SSRIs help you with 75% of your problems then living healthy, loving yourself, meditating and taking psychedelics like psilocybin should help you with 99% of your problems.

It would feel wrong for me to simply tell you to take more instead of try and convince to just get off the meds in general.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 2
    #23874467 - 11/28/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

pffft. this anti ssri fear thing is as bad as the anti-drug propaganda i hear. I say that because they work for me, at least for awhile and to a certain extent. If you've ever had major depression, you'd probably at least consider resorting to them. Do I WANT to be on them? no. Will I stay on them or get back on them if I FEEL the need. You bet your ass.

Arora i think you are overstating what you "know" with what you feel about them.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: PlantManBee]
    #23959908 - 12/27/16 07:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Last night was my first time trying mushrooms. I took 4 grams and nothing happened. I am on 10 mg of Paxil, but is that normal? I thought 4 grams would be enough to compensate. Is it possible there was just something wrong with the mushrooms itself?


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: Nightkitchen]
    #23960049 - 12/27/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Last night was my first time trying mushrooms. I took 4 grams and nothing happened. I am on 10 mg of Paxil, but is that normal? I thought 4 grams would be enough to compensate. Is it possible there was just something wrong with the mushrooms itself?




My last trip was roughly 75g fresh and my trip was really, really light, like a normal 3.5g dry trip. So 4g on paxil may not have been enough to compensate.


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Re: How much to increase dosage to compensate for ssri [Re: Nightkitchen]
    #23960317 - 12/27/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Last night was my first time trying mushrooms. I took 4 grams and nothing happened. I am on 10 mg of Paxil, but is that normal? I thought 4 grams would be enough to compensate. Is it possible there was just something wrong with the mushrooms itself?




Paxil is an SSRI so ya that's gonna keep you from tripping.

Also 4 grams is probably too much for your first time but it probably doesn't matter anymore since you already took them so your body will probably recognize them when you take them again and wont be nearly as powerful as 4gs to a real first timer.

I'm not sure why you think you can compensate by simply taking more. This stuff doesn't work that way, your only way is to get off SSRIs.
It's like when people get really piss weak shrooms and they think the only thing they have to do is "simply take more" but that never works.


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